I can fully understand your point. I put facts into my thread to illustrate why i have my oppinion but the whole thing was labeled oppinion for a reason. I believe that if a phone holds less memory. Most people can agree its inferior in that aspect. If its process is rated 50% slower(in actuality its more 1.5ghz in reality is leagues beyond 1.0 especially as you start to multi task as you get more apps and have your phone doing more). I think neither phone historically is no better or worse than the other. (if you are going to compare a droid x or the original droid or droid 2 then i have every right to compare the iphone 3g or 3gs) which is widely considered to be a horrible phone due to its lack of ability to make a call if you hold it on the sides. WHICH IS where most people hold their phone. so the iphone franchise has a 66% pass fail rate. ***note that i didnt say either was better they both lock up freeze face dial/face txt while on the phone*** I also find it hard to say that the droid market or the app store are better or worse than the other. One is free but if you get a bad app it costs you time to replace the app(sometimes a lot of time if it hurt your phone not common but a possibility) opposed to app store where you pay for an app(some are free but many more charge than in droid market) but it works! With the droid theres a good chance you'll save money with app store good chance you'll save time and in my oppinion time=money so i cant say either one are better in oppinion in that aspect theyre about the same. In my oppinion customizing is a plus. In the customizing aspect of a phone droid is better in my oppinion. You cant customize your phone. I like being able to have my fiance smile at me whenever i unlock my phone. Most people would agree no customization is a negative so i dont think anyone would believe me to be too assumptious in that aspect either. Widgets are so so. I have only used a couple and they caused me more headache than help in my oppinion. So id say iphones not having them is neither a bane or a blessing. I think most people can agree. The iphone is more expensive. I believe that if you pay more it should do more. Not less. Its hard to say which one gets a better phone call quality. With over 60 droids i could mention 10 phones rated better on call quality you could name 10 that never made a call successfully as long as youd used it. SD card are as much useful as they are issues since if it was a bad app that caused you to have to replace your phone you just put that corrupted app into your new phone. So ill call that a draw as well. Its easy to see where they are similar. Its easy to see where there has to be a draw called. But i can also see a few ways in which droid is superior if you are looking at droids of the same price as the iphone. So you have to take out phones like the citrus or the vortex or the fascinate or the xperia. They dont fall under the same price range. You have to look at the 4G phones. 4G is a mute point since not everyone can benefit from the 4g speeds. But even with 4g turned off the phones are superior and high quality in every way that a phone CAN be over another phone. Obviously its hard to prove better. But popular oppinion is fairly straight forward when it comes to terms of faster=better cheaper=better(long as quality isnt jeopardized which several of the newer droids are very high quality with a lot of money invested in them) reliable=better(impossible to prove which is better in this aspect since there are so many different droids by dif companies but this is still fairly straight forward concept) flash=better(85% of the top 100 websites in the world use it so youre cutting out over half of the internet, a lot of it is ads but even if half of it is ads thats still 4 out of every 10 websites that that guy next to you on his droid is watching you cant even watch it. How awesome do you feel having paid twice the money than the guy sitting next to you as he watches csi with faster internet speeds on his 4g pantech breakout not my fav phone but you get my point) a phone is more close to you than anything else in your life even your car. Your cell is used far more. Yet when you got your car you were able to choose color. Choose the stereo choose the seats leather/or fabric rims tires convertible? maybe. all this stuff. Customization and making something your own is one of the most obviously american traits there is. Its something that anyone here can agree is important. No one can deny its importance to the average person. Being able to get a case doesnt count. I want to see what i want when i want and do whatever i want to do to get to where i want to go on my phone. If you dont want to scroll through your whole menu to play angry birds you SHOULDNT HAVE TO. If i want angry birds icon to be by the phone icon so that when my beautiful but long winded fiance calls i have something to pass the time I should be aloud to do so at my whim. Customization does not hurt and i could care less if it makes it easier for their people to work on the phone if theres issues. Most people want a phone designed around what they want. WHATEVER it is. I do not beleive myself out of line to say what i think most people would agree with me on. Everything i said is truth along with how i feel about it. Now does any of those things make the iphone a "worse" phone. Of course not. Thats impossible to know or prove. However most people would agree that knowing all the facts might make them 'THINK" that it is worse. I didnt make anything up. I only used common knowledge that you can even find on these very forums in the complaints sections of both phones. Thank you for reading. 
Is it possible? of course lol. I work in tech support and no one ever calls in because their phone is working great and they just wanted to let me know. lol. i only hear if theyre mad because their phone sends a text to mom whenever they talk on it because the proximity sensor goes bad(common iphone problem) or their phone force closes the texting app occasionally when they get a call because of a bad widget using all their virtual memory. (common droid problem) but i deal with a lot worse iphone problems than droid. 99% of all droid issues can be fixed with a tap of the touch screen. Few corrupted apps do any real permananent damage.
Anything longer than a short paragraph and I start to fall asleep. Seriously. 
143. Re: Why don't people like iPhones?
I think it's interesting that (at least from what I read...if I'm wrong I apologize) you and many others seem to imply that the ability to customize is 100% impossible on the iPhone...except for choosing a case. That's not really true. Yes, it's true that unless you do an unauthorized act you can't customize to your hearts content but you do have th ability to do SOME forms of customization. If you're the type that wants to change every single possible aspect just because you can then of course an iPhone is not for you....unless you are willing to cross in to the grey side lol. What you mentioned about having your gf smile at you whenever you unlock your phone...unless you're referring to some sort of live background or something where you see her smile develop versus just a smiling picture of her or something...then this is possible on the iPhone also. I have a picture of my children smiling at me on my lock screen and I have a picture of myself and my bf on the beach at one of our happiest times on vacation recently once I unlock my screen so...that's something that would count as customization on an iPhone 4/4s. Again, maybe I am misunderstanding what exactly you mean so if I am I apologize. There are other things you can customize on an iPhone...you can move the apps of importance to where you want them to be...and the ones you want immediate access to no matter what screen you are on can be placed in the bottom 4 stationary app positions. You caan organize your apps to whatever system you like...create folders that hold whatever category you want...move more important apps to the first screen and the least important on the last...or anywhere in between. You can customize sounds for many of the iPhone functions (this wasn't always the case but as far as relevance to current iOS 5 and devices available on Verizon it is).
Ok so i got out of that that you can change or background. Gratz? Im glad to hear that the iphone can at least compete with the basic phones made 10 years ago. Not what im referring to. And you can customize 4 apps? ok if thats all you care to do thats fine. then im not referring to you. I can understand if thats all you want to do. You paid more but you can do less was my only point. .
I can't speak on the 3 or 3gs because I have never owned or used either nor so I find it relative to anyone that is a VZW customer currently since neither device was available to us (although I know there are several current VZW users that were once AT&T users so they had these devices). Not saying mentioning their limitations is wrong...but I think the relevance diminishes in regards to trying to compare current devices to this audience...same can be said when comparing any Android device not available to VZW users.
I was speaking in generalities. If i say that a droid is reliable someone would bring up the droid 2 global. the original droid droid x or motorola citrus. All phones that were notoriously unreliable. Also those phones come out in 2009-2010 very old phones. In order to compare a iphone vs droid i cant just say droid is reliable as or more reliable or less reliable without the comparison's being on fair grounds. This very post was based on a droid x if you look back. To compare apples to apples(lol) you have to compare an old droid like that with an old iphone. The fact that it was on at&t is negligible. This discussion has been on iphone vs droid in general. So because iphone has been on a different carrier until this last year all others are null and void in the discussion of iphone vs droid? Well then you'd be comparing a phone only a few months old vs phones 3 years old. I guess if i looked at it that way I'd be an iphone fan too lol. It was only referenced when i referred to historical reliability. Some droids are totally messed up and un reliable. Some iphones are totally messed up and unreliable. Fortunately theyre mostly older versions of them.
The reference to someone using a device that allows them to view CSI faster...for some I'm sure that's a big deal...to me it's not that serious and it definitely wouldn't help me decide what device I buy unless for some reason I had to rely on my phone for all of my true entertainment needs. For me, my phone is used for actual calls and communications needs (texting for example) first. Yes, I have movies and music on it and I use those things when I need to pass time. But I would never use my phone (iPhone or any other one) as my main source for watching tv and movies. If I constantly had streaming issues where the show was constantly stopping then yes...maybe that would be a problem. But I couldn't care less if Jimmy can watch CSI quicker than I can. I don't care how big my phone screen is I just don't want to act like my life is affected by the lack of equal or greater speed I watch a tv show on it....maybe I am old school but for most of my real viewing needs I prefer to watch tv shows on a tv...or a computer if for some reason watching on tv isn't an option. The phone is for when I'm not able to do it on either but it's a convenience, not a deal breaker. For some though I guess it is.
I wasnt referring to speed at all. If you read my post you would see that was a direct reference to flash not 4g. Many people do not get 4G and ive been speaking in generalities with reference to the general public. What "most" people would think is "better". I was referring to seeing someone sitting around watching an episode and you go "ha ha thats neat! what site is that?" then of course no matter what site it is theres an 85% chance you get to go "oh nvm my phone cant view that site" afterwards.I merely mentioned 4G because the pantech breakout is faster would be doing that and paid half what you did. How can you not see the lack of value? This whole post was about "why pay more and do less?" youve managed to explain away why "YOU" dont care that you cant do these things or it doesnt apply to you. I understand where youre coming from. And agree with you completely that if none of it is an inconvenience and you are an apple loyal customer i am a firm believer in the brand loyal practices. (of course im a huge fan of samsung but have a sony because it had what i wanted in a phone lol) But you have yet to answer the root question of the debate. I never once mentioned you in the post in the first place. I mentioned the general public. Why pay more for less? I now understand that kaebfly doesnt stream video but most people do. And most sites are flash.
I have used both since their first debuted.
Here's one thing you have to keep in mind... 512 ram difference means very little... They are both Linux systems and work memory the exact same way. When it comes to Linux systems in general empty ram is wasted ram. Right now my Galaxy Nexus has 420mb of empty ram. My wife's iPhone I have no idea and I probably could load an app and find out, but I would assume probably 100mb is wasted. If you understand how the "garbage" collection is setup the extra 512mb extra ram is a marketing ploy of "more is better". Sure it's nice to have more ram, but what good is it when you don't use it? There still is not any app in Android Market that'll use up all that free ram, and neither for the iPhone(whatever version you consider). The only time I could see the use of that free ram is when they start rolling out heavy compiling software or graphics editing tools(which probably won't happen in the next 4-5 years).
Get what you want, and forget what other people say... There is no need to validate your purchase. If it works for you it works for you. If it doesn't well get the one that will. In the end you'll always be a happy camper
