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mdram4x4 wrote:
Tidbits wrote:
mdram4x4 wrote:
silver6055 wrote:
mdram4x4 wrotei agree that not everyone buys an iphone because its an iphone, but i bet half the people do
When an iPhone comes out with LTE, I would expect it to be snapped up because it suddenly becomes an essential feature and in the minds of many it will be something invented by Apple.
But a little less cynically, yes, get the phone with the set of features that suits what (you think are) your needs best, you may need to compromise if one phone doesn't have them all.
Ideally though, once you get the phone, try to remember that the fact that you chose it doesn't mean a) it is the best phone for everyone, and even b) it may not really have been the best phone for you (but that is hard to know unless you buy multiple phones). Your choice of phone shouldn't really define much about you, there are much more important things, such as which breakfast cereal is the One True Cereal
what i highlighted is how many ifolk feelthen the first iphone came out it could mot even pic message, something any free flip phone of the time could do
ifolk said they didnt need it
when apple put it in they thought it was better then sliced bread and couldnt wait to show thier friends the new invention of apple.
if its not on the iphone it does not exist, no matter how long other phpnes have had it, in the eyes of the kool aid drinkers for apple
Sorry but I disagree...
Most people assume like you do without understanding the dymanics. I have been in the IT field for years, and I understand why iPhones are so popular, and why you think these people are cheap. Apple started simple before adding features. This trained people to be a bit more tech savvy without overwhelming the user. Those people get confortable, and then a new feature happen viola less to learn and it does more than before. Apple does the K.I.S.S. better than anyone on the market.
It has nothing to do with "sheep" and koolaid... Apple doesn't target our demographic, and that's something YOU need to understand. I like Android as much as the next guy, but a lot of things in Apple is so simply my grandmother could figure it out faster than trying to figure out other devices which Apple had planned from the beginning.
People already considered LTE as an essential feature that are tech savvy. If you looked at the normal people out there(Yes they are out there). They have no clue what LTE is, and couldn't care less how fast it downloads... They just expect it to work. Since out of the box iPhones have a better track record than 85% of the devices out there with LTE(Apple doesn't put in tech like this on the infancy) Then iPhones will sell well. Look at all the "iSheep" complain about it not being LTE and not being an iPhone 5... They'll see the complaints about the Thunderbolt, Charge, Bionic, and possibly where do you think they'll go... WP7 devices still don't have LTE as well. Most don't like Microsoft just by name. MS has left a bad taste in my mouth for the past 3 winmo devices, and I can't believe I would try them again(but I don't have a choice work related).
I have an unlimited text plan... in the past 6 years I have probably sent 4 or 5 picture messages... So if I had an iPhone or a flip phone that didn't... It wouldn't bother me... Most people are like me...
Remember something it's best to KEEP IT SIMPLE ST*PID especially when dealing with the baby boomer generation...
i dont quite agree everything you said.
i beleive its more like Assume Your Users Are St*pid is apples motto
That's wrong, and you assume that's what they assume. They are only targeting stupid people. Learn what KISS is and maybe you learn why that's always ideal. Not everyone will have the technical knowledge as another. The simplier you keep the better it is for both end user and developer. That Assume Your Users Are St*pid made me chuckle a bit.
my firsts smartphones were windows 6/6.1, i got used to being able to chage the home screen layouts, add widgets on custom launchers ect
Not everyone is you. You are basically assuming everyone wants to tread your kind of waters off the bat.
l like being able to manually copy my music from various locations.
My wife does that through iTunes. At least she has an easier way to allocate her music for easy syncing.
i dont like a peice of software, more like a virus, that takes over my media.
I guess iTunes is too complicated for you.
i dont like proprietary media formats
Of course not. most people don't. The only thing that is proietary is videos and apps. Same with Android unless the dev marks it open source.
i like having access to flash is i want it
I have never had the option to not have it on my phone. Also NOT all flash content works with mobile flash. Most of the stuff that uses Flash are advertisements. I'd rather not see them.
i like being able to side load apps without violating my warranty
Most use this for piracy. Android has a large piracy rate and that's why you will notice a lot of the "big" titles aren't in the Android market.
i like having multple markets to get things, its all about choices
There's only 2 real viable markets for Android unless you count the piracy locations you know they charge you $9.99 per month and you can download any app for "free". They pocket all the money and leave the people who design, maintain, and program the apps. Doesn't seem like a whole lot of choices. Marketing at it's finest...
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Tidbits wrote:
mdram4x4 wrote:
Tidbits wrote:
mdram4x4 wrote:
silver6055 wrote:
mdram4x4 wrotei agree that not everyone buys an iphone because its an iphone, but i bet half the people do
When an iPhone comes out with LTE, I would expect it to be snapped up because it suddenly becomes an essential feature and in the minds of many it will be something invented by Apple.
But a little less cynically, yes, get the phone with the set of features that suits what (you think are) your needs best, you may need to compromise if one phone doesn't have them all.
Ideally though, once you get the phone, try to remember that the fact that you chose it doesn't mean a) it is the best phone for everyone, and even b) it may not really have been the best phone for you (but that is hard to know unless you buy multiple phones). Your choice of phone shouldn't really define much about you, there are much more important things, such as which breakfast cereal is the One True Cereal
what i highlighted is how many ifolk feelthen the first iphone came out it could mot even pic message, something any free flip phone of the time could do
ifolk said they didnt need it
when apple put it in they thought it was better then sliced bread and couldnt wait to show thier friends the new invention of apple.
if its not on the iphone it does not exist, no matter how long other phpnes have had it, in the eyes of the kool aid drinkers for apple
Sorry but I disagree...
Most people assume like you do without understanding the dymanics. I have been in the IT field for years, and I understand why iPhones are so popular, and why you think these people are cheap. Apple started simple before adding features. This trained people to be a bit more tech savvy without overwhelming the user. Those people get confortable, and then a new feature happen viola less to learn and it does more than before. Apple does the K.I.S.S. better than anyone on the market.
It has nothing to do with "sheep" and koolaid... Apple doesn't target our demographic, and that's something YOU need to understand. I like Android as much as the next guy, but a lot of things in Apple is so simply my grandmother could figure it out faster than trying to figure out other devices which Apple had planned from the beginning.
People already considered LTE as an essential feature that are tech savvy. If you looked at the normal people out there(Yes they are out there). They have no clue what LTE is, and couldn't care less how fast it downloads... They just expect it to work. Since out of the box iPhones have a better track record than 85% of the devices out there with LTE(Apple doesn't put in tech like this on the infancy) Then iPhones will sell well. Look at all the "iSheep" complain about it not being LTE and not being an iPhone 5... They'll see the complaints about the Thunderbolt, Charge, Bionic, and possibly where do you think they'll go... WP7 devices still don't have LTE as well. Most don't like Microsoft just by name. MS has left a bad taste in my mouth for the past 3 winmo devices, and I can't believe I would try them again(but I don't have a choice work related).
I have an unlimited text plan... in the past 6 years I have probably sent 4 or 5 picture messages... So if I had an iPhone or a flip phone that didn't... It wouldn't bother me... Most people are like me...
Remember something it's best to KEEP IT SIMPLE ST*PID especially when dealing with the baby boomer generation...
i dont quite agree everything you said.
i beleive its more like Assume Your Users Are St*pid is apples motto
That's wrong, and you assume that's what they assume. They are only targeting stupid people. Learn what KISS is and maybe you learn why that's always ideal. Not everyone will have the technical knowledge as another. The simplier you keep the better it is for both end user and developer. That Assume Your Users Are St*pid made me chuckle a bit.
but not giving your users the option to change it is why i said that
winmo and andoid allowed you to leave it if you chose
my firsts smartphones were windows 6/6.1, i got used to being able to chage the home screen layouts, add widgets on custom launchers ect
Not everyone is you. You are basically assuming everyone wants to tread your kind of waters off the bat.
again see first response, its about choice
l like being able to manually copy my music from various locations.
My wife does that through iTunes. At least she has an easier way to allocate her music for easy syncing.
again a choice thing
i dont like a peice of software, more like a virus, that takes over my media.
I guess iTunes is too complicated for you.
nope, just too intusive last time i used it, and its a choice thing
i dont like proprietary media formats
Of course not. most people don't. The only thing that is proietary is videos and apps. Same with Android unless the dev marks it open source.
i like having access to flash is i want it
I have never had the option to not have it on my phone. Also NOT all flash content works with mobile flash. Most of the stuff that uses Flash are advertisements. I'd rather not see them.
flash video?
i like being able to side load apps without violating my warranty
Most use this for piracy. Android has a large piracy rate and that's why you will notice a lot of the "big" titles aren't in the Android market.
not all of it, i have dl's apks via browser and installed them manually
i like having multple markets to get things, its all about choices
There's only 2 real viable markets for Android unless you count the piracy locations you know they charge you $9.99 per month and you can download any app for "free". They pocket all the money and leave the people who design, maintain, and program the apps. Doesn't seem like a whole lot of choices. Marketing at it's finest...
i was thinking off amazon and the android market place
or just buying from the dev alone, which is not widespread
i would actually prefer this as it keeps apple/google out of the loop
the fact they keep a percent of subscription fees gives less to the dev
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mdram4x4 wrote:
Tidbits wrote:
mdram4x4 wrote:
Tidbits wrote:
mdram4x4 wrote:
silver6055 wrote:
mdram4x4 wrotei agree that not everyone buys an iphone because its an iphone, but i bet half the people do
When an iPhone comes out with LTE, I would expect it to be snapped up because it suddenly becomes an essential feature and in the minds of many it will be something invented by Apple.
But a little less cynically, yes, get the phone with the set of features that suits what (you think are) your needs best, you may need to compromise if one phone doesn't have them all.
Ideally though, once you get the phone, try to remember that the fact that you chose it doesn't mean a) it is the best phone for everyone, and even b) it may not really have been the best phone for you (but that is hard to know unless you buy multiple phones). Your choice of phone shouldn't really define much about you, there are much more important things, such as which breakfast cereal is the One True Cereal
what i highlighted is how many ifolk feelthen the first iphone came out it could mot even pic message, something any free flip phone of the time could do
ifolk said they didnt need it
when apple put it in they thought it was better then sliced bread and couldnt wait to show thier friends the new invention of apple.
if its not on the iphone it does not exist, no matter how long other phpnes have had it, in the eyes of the kool aid drinkers for apple
Sorry but I disagree...
Most people assume like you do without understanding the dymanics. I have been in the IT field for years, and I understand why iPhones are so popular, and why you think these people are cheap. Apple started simple before adding features. This trained people to be a bit more tech savvy without overwhelming the user. Those people get confortable, and then a new feature happen viola less to learn and it does more than before. Apple does the K.I.S.S. better than anyone on the market.
It has nothing to do with "sheep" and koolaid... Apple doesn't target our demographic, and that's something YOU need to understand. I like Android as much as the next guy, but a lot of things in Apple is so simply my grandmother could figure it out faster than trying to figure out other devices which Apple had planned from the beginning.
People already considered LTE as an essential feature that are tech savvy. If you looked at the normal people out there(Yes they are out there). They have no clue what LTE is, and couldn't care less how fast it downloads... They just expect it to work. Since out of the box iPhones have a better track record than 85% of the devices out there with LTE(Apple doesn't put in tech like this on the infancy) Then iPhones will sell well. Look at all the "iSheep" complain about it not being LTE and not being an iPhone 5... They'll see the complaints about the Thunderbolt, Charge, Bionic, and possibly where do you think they'll go... WP7 devices still don't have LTE as well. Most don't like Microsoft just by name. MS has left a bad taste in my mouth for the past 3 winmo devices, and I can't believe I would try them again(but I don't have a choice work related).
I have an unlimited text plan... in the past 6 years I have probably sent 4 or 5 picture messages... So if I had an iPhone or a flip phone that didn't... It wouldn't bother me... Most people are like me...
Remember something it's best to KEEP IT SIMPLE ST*PID especially when dealing with the baby boomer generation...
i dont quite agree everything you said.
i beleive its more like Assume Your Users Are St*pid is apples motto
That's wrong, and you assume that's what they assume. They are only targeting stupid people. Learn what KISS is and maybe you learn why that's always ideal. Not everyone will have the technical knowledge as another. The simplier you keep the better it is for both end user and developer. That Assume Your Users Are St*pid made me chuckle a bit.
but not giving your users the option to change it is why i said that
winmo and andoid allowed you to leave it if you chose
my firsts smartphones were windows 6/6.1, i got used to being able to chage the home screen layouts, add widgets on custom launchers ect
Not everyone is you. You are basically assuming everyone wants to tread your kind of waters off the bat.
again see first response, its about choice
l like being able to manually copy my music from various locations.
My wife does that through iTunes. At least she has an easier way to allocate her music for easy syncing.
again a choice thing
i dont like a peice of software, more like a virus, that takes over my media.
I guess iTunes is too complicated for you.
nope, just too intusive last time i used it, and its a choice thing
i dont like proprietary media formats
Of course not. most people don't. The only thing that is proietary is videos and apps. Same with Android unless the dev marks it open source.
i like having access to flash is i want it
I have never had the option to not have it on my phone. Also NOT all flash content works with mobile flash. Most of the stuff that uses Flash are advertisements. I'd rather not see them.
flash video?
like where? youtube? some pornsites? Netflix? wait.... they don't use flash...
i like being able to side load apps without violating my warranty
Most use this for piracy. Android has a large piracy rate and that's why you will notice a lot of the "big" titles aren't in the Android market.
not all of it, i have dl's apks via browser and installed them manually
Which has DRM which defeats your perpietary argument.
i like having multple markets to get things, its all about choices
There's only 2 real viable markets for Android unless you count the piracy locations you know they charge you $9.99 per month and you can download any app for "free". They pocket all the money and leave the people who design, maintain, and program the apps. Doesn't seem like a whole lot of choices. Marketing at it's finest...
i was thinking off amazon and the android market place
or just buying from the dev alone, which is not widespread
i would actually prefer this as it keeps apple/google out of the loop
the fact they keep a percent of subscription fees gives less to the dev
Sorry doesn't work that way. Its more appealing for most devs not having their own servers, lowers the overhead. I have yet to see a price difference enough to host them yourself or having Apple/ Google host them
I will respond to the rest later/
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I had a bionic for about 10 days, with 4G. TERRIBLE battery life. Though the data speeds with my iphone 4S are crawling so slowly I am starting to wonder if I will regret it as well. I love the iphone much better than the android, just because it is so simple and less of a hassle. But what is up with these data speeds? Or is that just an iphone thing?
Bottom line: 4G LTE is underdeveloped still, there is a big push for it because its costing billions of dollars, but until they can balance the 4G power problem, I would not switch. Probably the reason apple decided not to use it. And i thought the iphone battery was bad... Its heaven compared to the bionic
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Ive been on both side of the fence. I got the Motorola droid X the day after its release back in July of 2010. Loved it. Big screen, 8mp camera, rock solid hardware. The flaw unfortunately was the OS. Got the update from Motorola and that just made things worse. Gave up after hearing repeatedly that the only fix for issues was to totally wipe out the phone with a factory restore and put it all back together. Started looking at other sites for advice. Went to rootzwiki and xda and droidx forums and eventually figured out how to successfully void my warranty. Finally I was in geek heaven. I had the power to change anything I wanted on my phone at will. Wallpapers, icons, fonts, LCD density all at the push of a button. I learned how to flash roms and sbf with just a few clicks. I did this almost daily for 8 months. Always trying the latest and greatest but no matter what rom I installed or apk or gapps o couldn't make it do one simple thing... Keep it stable.
Random reboots, force closures, incredible battery drain, loss of wifi and 3g connectivity. Random stock apps that would crash the phone. It was fun for awhile I guess. Then I just got sick of it. Developers getting new phones and moving on. Leaving roms half finished. I waited on the bionic but I didn`t rush out and get it. My brother in law got one. His og droid finally bit the dust so I went over for a bit and checked it out. I left unimpressed. Here was a dual core 4g lte powerhouse. Awesome specs. Unfortunately yet again another droid phone riddled with issues.
Now were holding our breath for Google`s latest software release called ice cream sandwich. What's the big hoopla over its release. Simple it`s designed to be an os that all androids will run on. One os so all android apps developed are guaranteed to work. No more app incompatibility issues. Sound familiar? Sound kind of like ios? Google wants to use what apple has been doing for years. They want to have an os that works.
We tech geeks are in the minority when it comes to overall cell phone sales. Most users just want the darn thing to work be it apple or android.
For the record I still have and use the X. It`s just a large screen andpod. And yes I still look for the latest and greatest android has to offer but this new iphone I just got is my primary phone only because it fits my needs. Best camera on a phone in my opinion. Best music player again my opinion. Just about every manufacture makes a docking solution for it. ( I really want the tower speaker from brookstones) Everything its been designed to do it does exceptionally well,
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mdram4x4 wrote:
farocco53 wrote:I see posts that AT&T is faster in their data.
I do not know how this compares to real life usage.
I was thinking of a droid, but I like the overall experience I am getting with the iPhone 4s
from the net
Speedtest.net #1
- iPhone 4S, AT&T 3G: 3.15 Mbps download, 1.14 Mbps upload
- Droid Bionic, Verizon 4G LTE – 11.56 Mbps download, 5.56 Mbps upload
Speedtest.net #2
- iPhone 4S, AT&T 3G: 3.50 Mbps down, 1.12 Mbps upload
- Droid Bionic, Verizon 4G LTE: 12.30 Mbps download 5.54 Mbps upload
this is vzw 4g (lts) vs att 4g (hspa+)
I know that this is from the first page, but I can't believe nobody spotted this, I don't think the comparison was done fairly
mdram4x4, if you read the speedtest results carefully, it clearly states that it's the iPhone 4S on AT&T's 3G service compared to the Droid Bionic on Verizon's 4G LTE service
Two things wrong here, first, it clearly says that the iPhone 4S is connected over 3G, not 4G HSPA+, second, it's an iPhone 4S (a phone widely known NOT to support 4G, either LTE or HSPA+), compared to a Droid Bionic (4G LTE being one of it's selling points), if a known 4G HSPA+ capable phone was compared with the Droid Bionic, then it would be a fair comparison
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even then if the 4S supported hspa+ instead of just 14.4 it still wouldn't be a much of a comparison since Verizon LTE still beats AT&Ts 21 hspa+ based on numerouse tests of their "4g" devices.
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mikedamirault wrote:
mdram4x4 wrote:
farocco53 wrote:I see posts that AT&T is faster in their data.
I do not know how this compares to real life usage.
I was thinking of a droid, but I like the overall experience I am getting with the iPhone 4s
from the net
Speedtest.net #1
- iPhone 4S, AT&T 3G: 3.15 Mbps download, 1.14 Mbps upload
- Droid Bionic, Verizon 4G LTE – 11.56 Mbps download, 5.56 Mbps upload
Speedtest.net #2
- iPhone 4S, AT&T 3G: 3.50 Mbps down, 1.12 Mbps upload
- Droid Bionic, Verizon 4G LTE: 12.30 Mbps download 5.54 Mbps upload
this is vzw 4g (lts) vs att 4g (hspa+)
I know that this is from the first page, but I can't believe nobody spotted this, I don't think the comparison was done fairly
mdram4x4, if you read the speedtest results carefully, it clearly states that it's the iPhone 4S on AT&T's 3G service compared to the Droid Bionic on Verizon's 4G LTE service
Two things wrong here, first, it clearly says that the iPhone 4S is connected over 3G, not 4G HSPA+, second, it's an iPhone 4S (a phone widely known NOT to support 4G, either LTE or HSPA+), compared to a Droid Bionic (4G LTE being one of it's selling points), if a known 4G HSPA+ capable phone was compared with the Droid Bionic, then it would be a fair comparison
you can compare verizon 3g to verizon LTE and you can compare verizon LTE to at&t LTE.....or verizon LTE to at&t 3g. in any various comparison LTE blows out anything (including every other carrier).
the original post was a question regarding LTE speeds, so i'd say these are fair comparisons. the point was that LTE is the new bar for speeds. and fyi, the ip4s is faster on at&t's network because of hspa+.
for the record, i think iphones are great devices. i also think they are terribly boring and brutally slow (once you've downloaded over LTE, 3g feels like dail up). to each his own. i prefer android, but see no reason to really bash iOS, as it serves it's purpose. i can't stand itunes, but if you already have itunes, ipods, and ieverything else, then an iphone just seems WAY easier to me. i like customization, widgets, led notifications, etc, etc and have my tbolt configured so that i can get through a day on one charge (yes, the battery life blows, but as iphone ads more android like features, it's battery life is decreasing).
i say get what you want. nothing wrong with iphone, and nothing wrong with android. as long as it's NOT blackberry, then it'll do....lol
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i say get what you want. nothing wrong with iphone, and nothing wrong with android. as long as it's NOT blackberry, then it'll do....lol
I couldn't have said it better myself. I would think that the BlackBerry addicts would jump in on this, but they tend not to hang out in iPhone forums. 