THEY MEASURE ALL OF THE DATA THAT FLOWS THRU THE HOTSPOT i.e. Printing, LAN and wirelessly connected devices
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I THINK THAT THEY ARE MEASURING THE DATA THAT FLOWS THRU THE DEVICE.......IF YOU HAVE A NETWORKED PRINTER AND OTHER DEVICES ON THE WIFI HOTSPOT IT TALLYS ALL OF IT... EVEN IF IT IS NOT ROUTED THRU THE TOWER AND THEIR NETWORK....
THEY MEASURE ALL OF THE DATA THAT FLOWS THRU THE HOTSPOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i.e. Printing, LAN and wirelessly connected devices
THEY ARE ABUSING ALL OF US!
They want me triple my data plan to $600 a month plus access charges for the devices....Are they silly?
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Do you have proof? How did you allegedly figure that out? Why don't you pony up and buy a router for all that stuff you seem to be doing?
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Any data that goes through the Verizon device is measured as it is being used on Verizon's network.
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If it is my personal LAN. How are you attempting to sell me on your response...... MY Device.... Their Network.... It is not going out to their towers and then back to my LOCAL AREA NETWORK!!
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Using the phone as a hotspot...this means you are using Verizon's network as the internet and your phone as a router. The hotspot is on their network. Your device is using their hotspot. I see where you try to say that the printer and hotspot make a direct connection with data being sent only to the printer, where data from the internet may not be needed, but any data flowing from the hotspot, to or from is counted.
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> but any data flowing from the hotspot, to or from is counted.
Again, to clarifty, any data that goes across the VZW network is counted. Local network activity that does not touch the VZW network is not. You can easily verify this by sending a file from one PC to another and then checking on the VZW usage reports when they update.
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That is exactly what I did! I power cycle my Jetpack both before and after the test. Power cycle always updates data usage to the most current value for me. I see an amount that is not necessarily the 1 to 1 ratio transferred during the test, added to my data usage. Transfer speed drops to less than 1.5 MB/s, possibly because the data appears to be going over the internet and if it is that explains why it affects data usage.
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If that is true and LAN usage is getting counted against you then we need to get the pitchforks and torches. Well maybe that's jumping to conclusions a little but LAN traffic is not supposed to count against us. In the past when this has happened it was my understanding that credits and adjustments were made to correct the problem and defective hardware was replaced.
Lets see if there is a better explanation for what is going on. If you are seeing this problem then please confirm specifically which VZW device you are using and the firmware version its using. Lets document and compare results. Detail the test that you are performing in a way that we can replicate and confirm your findings. For example lets pick a standard document and test transferring from PC to PC or sending to a printer.
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I did what you said:
> You can easily verify this by sending a file from one PC to another and then checking on the VZW usage reports when they update.
MiFi 5510L Ver 1.1 (L1.34.23 M1.34.20). The only real difference is I force Data Usage to update before and after testing by turning the Jetpack off, waiting a minute, turning it back on, and after it comes back up, read Data Usage. Because of the lousy detail of Data Usage, files transferred between computers should be large enough to change tenths of a gigabyte by a couple digits. On the most recent test, I just grabbed the first five OEM provided Windows 7 driver files I have in the source drive, with the mouse and dropped them into the target drive. 104 MB in files, 135 seconds with 0.08 GB data usage.
The first time I encountered this was approximately 2 years ago. I confirmed it several times with my 4510 and then with my 5510 along with clean installs of Ubuntu and Windows with minimal drivers. I have also done it at the beginning of my cycle as the very first thing to eliminate the possibility of delayed usage showing up.
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Alright I did some testing to verify what I have always claimed to be true.
The Setup:
Enable file sharing on two PCs connected with a MiFi 4510L (Router FW 02.01, AP FW Version 2.10-3.0.0.5, Modem FW version 2.28). I left the internet connection enabled and also enabled MAC filtering to ensure I didn't get any other random machines to jump on and tamper with my results. I also installed Glasswire since I was working with two Win7 laptops. Glasswire can show data usage and break it down by application which is very handy for a situation like this. Both machines were allowed to finish auto updates from a separate line before conducing the test to increase the effectiveness of this scenario.
The Test:
I transferred a folder of installation files (the same stuff you get from the full software solution for Win7 64Bit on support.hp.com) for my HP CM1312 printer from the C:\temp drive of one machine to another. This folder was rated at 427 MB according to the properties in Windows Explorer. I monitored the data transfer with Glasswire to confirm that data was moving and benchmarked its progress to compare against. This test was conducted 2x.
The Results:
2:00 - Power up Jetpack and VZW data usage says 0.17GB from verizonwireless.com
- Allowed the Jetpack to sit for a while and confirm no other shenanigans were going on
2:45 - File transfer begins
- Glasswire confirms movement, lists the local data as a "System" application
- Glasswire shows data transfer speeds of 1 MB/s (Note this is not Mbps)
- Windows estimates about 8 minutes to complete the transfer
2:55 - Glasswire shows data transfer is complete
- Glasswire shows the System application has sent a total of 437.6 MB (I take it there is a little overhead)
2:57 - Reboot the Jetpack
2:58 - VZW.com posted one data session of .017 GB back from 1:32 PM which accounts for what was originally displayed
3:00 - Allow the devices to sit and observed any other traffic
3:21 - File transfer round 2 begins
- Glasswire starts recording and all stats look similar to before
3:29 - File transfer is complete
- Glasswire shows a total of 431 MB have been sent to the new PC (records updated because of the reboot to the Jetpack earlier and the IP Addresses actually reversed due to DHCP)
- Jetpack powered down
7:50 - Next morning - VZW.com reports .018 GB usage for this Jetpack
- Data details show 5 total sessions each with negligible data
| 02/26/2015 | 01: 32 PM | DATA ONLY SHARE | 0.0179230393 GB |
| 02/26/2015 | 01: 52 PM | DATA ONLY SHARE | 0.0001893267 GB |
| 02/26/2015 | 02: 16 PM | DATA ONLY SHARE | 0.0000059269 GB |
| 02/26/2015 | 02: 20 PM | DATA ONLY SHARE | 0.000033224 GB |
| 02/26/2015 | 02: 24 PM | DATA ONLY SHARE | 0.0001508956 GB |
So there you have it sports fans. I should have racked up around 1GB of data from my one test in a matter of 16-20 minutes of actual usage time. VZW records do not show anything suggesting that my local data was getting accounted against me. The small data sessions that were recorded were accounted for by Glasswire as random IE downloads and policy updates.
I do have access to more Jetpack models and would be happy to conduct the same experiment with them if we feel this is a hardware model or firmware issue. I encourage and invite anyone else to conduct the same experiment on their own and compare results against me. As long as you are using Glasswire or another data monitor of some kind to verify the activity is local or not it should be a valid test.
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Nice John_Getzke
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> Any data that goes through the Verizon device is measured as it is being used on Verizon's network.
This statement is not entirely correct. To clarify, anything that goes through the VZW network is held against your data plan. Any local traffic such as one PC to another over the LAN is not held against you.
What confuses people is when a local device such as a printer happens to check out on the internet for updates. That traffic will certainly count against you, but the normal stuff between a PC and a printer while remaining on a LAN will not.
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Bridge your hotspot to a real router and connect your network devices to that or stop transferring your data between your devices through your hotspot. Also, your caps lock appears to be broken.
