Bionic, ICS and other complaints.
cakebite
Enthusiast - Level 1

Ok, so I saw a couple pages claiming that the HTC Rezound, Droid Razr/Maxx and the Moto Xoom 3G/4G were to be receiving the ICS update sometime in May. Now obviously we should all take what we see on the internet with a grain of salt until Verizon actually makes an announcement, however reports of them getting ICS is becoming more frequent which almost lends the rumors some credibility, even if that's just my opinion. Now my concern is what about the Bionic? The Xoom I can totally see, seeing as how that device was out longer than the Bionic was, but what's the excuse for the Rezound and the Razr/Maxx? The bionic was out before these devices, yet it seems like they're getting updates more frequently and it looks like, in my eyes anyway, that the Razr/Maxx is getting special treatment.

Again, I know that nothing is set in stone about ICS and these devices, but we were promised many things with the Bionic which none have been addressed. We were told that they would consider unlocking our bootloaders, which they did, on a separate phone(Droid Razr), and in the UK under the guise that it's a developer phone. I mean, seriously? Moto needs to take a page out of HTC's book and listen to the communities concerns.

We were also promised ICS towards the end of 2011, then again at the beginning of 2012, now we're almost at the middle of 2012 and I've heard zero reports that the Bionic is getting ICS anytime soon. Yet these phones that came out later than the Bionic have reports coming left and right, though credible or not is not the point. All I've heard from Moto on the Bionic is empty promises and it's really aggravating. I'm not even going to start complaining about the fact that I have bloatware(applications that I do not want on my phone, and that I can't uninstall unless I go through the process of (deleted content to comply with VZW ToS) my phone) on a phone that I spent good money on. And before you Moto and Verizon fanboys get on my case about how "it's their phone, they can do what they want". Ridiculous, I paid for the phone and I should choose what applications can go on it or not, especially since some are constantly trying to get internet access which drain my battery, or have permission to use sensitive information on my phone itself. Yes, I get the phone at a discount, FOR RENEWING A 2 YEAR CONTRACT. Obviously if I went with the Galaxy Nexus or the Rezound I wouldn't have this problem, but I was one of the unlucky people who got the Bionic with these wild claims of unlocked bootloaders and ICS, just to get shafted by Big Red and Moto. But I digress.

At any rate, this will be my last Moto phone. I had the OG Droid which in my opinion is one of the best smart phones to ever hit the market and I really was grateful that it was on Verizon, but Moto has just been a huge disappointment with the Bionic.

/end rant

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JT_Drago
Enthusiast - Level 2

We should be getting ICS in Q3 of 2012. It is currently in development.

Source: https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c

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LBtrw
Enthusiast - Level 2

It is unfortunate that the Bionic didn't get as much love to make up for all the hype that the phone started out with. I guess that's just how it rolls. I do enjoy my Bionic for the most part but do feel let down a bit when it comes to not having ICS a little earlier in the year. I thought the unlocked boot loader was Verizon's choice? I won't lie, I cannot wait until my next "upgrade" is available (hopefully some quad-core phones will be out with Jellybean). Unfortunately I will have to purchase my next phone at full price to keep my unlimited data. Smiley Sad

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rrutl
Contributor - Level 2

I too like my Bionic because it is a reliable phone but I would also like to receive the Android 4.0 update/upgraded version of the operating system. All indications are that this will happen sometime before too long, and while I am just an Android enthusiast not a Moto employee, again the circumstances are pointing to a rollout within a couple months or soon thereafter. According to Moto it will be in  Q3 this year, but even after Moto releases it, verizon will get their grubby little hands on it and fill it full of involuntary apps of their choosing. This will take up a little time too,but it is coming as stated by Motorola. I was mad too by the delay, but look ahead and in the future since Google has bought Motorola Mobility, things may change there, I hope G will exert their influence on the product the way they have tried to with the Nexus lines of phones. As always though, the carriers (vz att&t) will super glue the parts they want us to use (bloat apps) in the phones. ICS for Bionic is imminent, the recent .905 minor update is hailed by droid forums as a precursor to ICS. Keep the faith  

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ncoclub
Enthusiast - Level 3

I just got my update (.905) for my Bionic this morning..am looking forward to getting ICS soon..

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JavaChips
Newbie

I will agree for the vast majority of post.  The fault lies though between Moto and Verzion.  Personally what I have noticed becoming a trend is you are starting to buy 'beta' devices/software.  Devices are being released that have a great deal of issues and bugs.  There are some that will even cause a power cycle of the phone...

In terms of unlocking bootloads, Part of the reason they are such a risk is that they are 'locked down'.  If they become open source or an equivalent to, most of the risk will be eliminated.  The reason being is that non-device developers have to in essence, find a  (deleted content to comply with VZW ToS)(brute force) or work around (internal glitch) if order to (deleted content to comply with VZW ToS) devices.

My little bit of the rant will be added as such:

Moto says it will happen then it doesn't.  When they are confronted about it, it's nothing but excuses.  Motorola's construction quality of their devices is drastically declining.  Their promise (as stated by the CEO) of unlocked bootloaders came true.  However, they decided to make people pay for it.  Now you have to pay extra for an entirely different phone in order to have the unlocked bootloader.  As also stated, the Bionic would have an unlocked bootloader, only until later was it released as the 'dev' edition.  This means that if you bought the phone expecting to get it unlocked, you would then have to pay the full 700 something dollars to get the dev unlocked device because you already have the phone you want with an active line (contract).

Verzion is starting to push their customers around more and more, using more and more backdoors in order to get what they want without technically voiding customer contracts...  Prime Examples:

They attempted to add a 'convenience fee' for online phone payments, even though the fact of paying bills online is already saving the company money.  This fell through after another organization called out their bluff saying that they didn't need to raise prices due to their past of expected sales and income.  Once the investigation went though, they terminated the plan of the additional fee.

Now they are at it again with their FiOS service.  If you own FiOS TV you will now have to pay an additional 2.00 a month per cable box.  Even though you are in a contract that locks in your service payments, the box itself that is being rented is not apart of your contract and thus is able to change rates.  This 'backdoor' is now being exploited by Verzion and their response when I personally confronted them about it, is they need to raise the prices to help make sure 'we' the consumer get the best service possible.  Now if you buy this crap, then I ask you continue to live without paying the slightest bit of attention to my post.

My original question regarding the FiOS service...

"What is the point of getting this service with a contract if the prices are going to be raised no matter what?"

All in all, they are starting to push the envelope to far.

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Wildman
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The Razr Maxx has been inherited as the flagship device for Verizon at this time and this is probably the reason for them getting more attention.  The original Razr is the same device as the Maxx without the battery upgrade so its not surprised that it sees most of the same updates the Maxx has seen.

Motorola is basically still standing around the report that they did not and would not consider unlocking the devices bootloaders that are on the US devices and basically this normally wouldn't concern a basic everyday user anyway because they really wouldn't notice the differences, HTC unlock method is still very restricted and it still is noted to void the warranty of the device is it is used so I do not see where this is a positive thing.

Please give me more information on what you think the unlock bootloader and ICS will offer to you that you can not do on the device at this time..

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sandw1ch
Enthusiast - Level 1

What he wants is to run ICS. He wants to do it on the Bionic for which he recently indentured himself to Verizon in exchange for the handset subsidy--not on a device for which they demand an additional $700.

Why don't you explain to him how he can do that without an official update or an unlocked bootloader.

Funny how a bunch of know-nothing Pollyannas have no shame about claiming the high ground, telling enthusiasts and advanced users that they don't need what they're agitating for. The sheer George-W-balls-for-brains gall of you people is astonishing.

Wildman
Legend

I cann

sandw1ch wrote:

Funny how a bunch of know-nothing Pollyannas have no shame about claiming the high ground, telling enthusiasts and advanced users that they don't need what they're agitating for. The sheer George-W-balls-for-brains gall of you people is astonishing.

I write code and develop apps so your point is so flawed....  Everyone is a "Advance User" these days but until you get to the updates codes your opinion is only from the appearance side of things and in developing that isn't the end card..

Besides I have seen the same complaints travel from of forum to another and also one device thread after another, everyone wants the next update now because its suppose to be so much improved and then the user gets it and they still wont be happy...  This is a ongoing complaint and conversation that never will change.

Next the demand will be for Jelly Bean because it is suppose to perform and improve the device so much more over ICS....  If the software improved performance as much as the previous update the devices would have any room to optimize performance any more...   

Its a marketing ploy to introduce the same OS with miner improvement and a different UI and this doesn't make it better but makes the customer believe it is so they will buy it....  Welcome to the real world..

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commonsense101
Specialist - Level 2

people that spend all their effort worried about software updates that wont help their phone, and apps they cant delete make laugh so hard .. these are the same people still running advanced task killer

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Wildman
Legend

I have to agree with you on this one for sure...

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notarep
Contributor - Level 3

I'd say the primary reason for locked bootloaders is for those who brick the phone because they messed with something and try to sue the company who sold it.

Moto is kinda stingy about their bootloaders, at least htc gives you the option. Custom recovery is the best.

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HighDesert
Contributor - Level 2

I love my Bionic.

I love it without ICS.

ICS will be nice, and I'm looking forward to it, but I don't need it.

And I sure didn't buy the Bionic because I was promised ICS on it...especially since there were no promises; estimates/predictions aren't promises.

I love it even with 'bloatware'.

'Bloatware' occupies a tiny bit of more-than-ample space and affects nothing.

Nearly all phones come with it.

None of my bloatware is "constantly trying to get internet access".

People who get upset about things that don't really matter just luv getting upset.

I love my Bionic.

I wish people who don't love theirs would just carry through on their threats to leave and quit their pointless whining.

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cakebite
Enthusiast - Level 1

Dude, Imclaurin had it right. I'm venting about how I feel about my phone, not yours. That's good that you like your phone, but that's not what this thread is about. There's a bunch of threads of people who love their phone, and probably even some that don't understand why other people don't, however that's not my problem, neither is the fact that you love your bionic.

It's true that it is a public forum, however replying to a thread that states that I'm not happy about my phone, by coming and replying how much you love yours shows how petty you are, more so than me posting this thread. Whatever makes you happy though, go for it, but I have nothing to say to a person that says I'm wrong because I don't like my phone. Like you said, it's a public forum. You don't like that people complain? Tough, that's how the world is, everyone complains about something whether it's me complaining about my phone, or you complaining that we shouldn't complain.

If you're happy with what you got, than why even come here? Do you stalk these boards looking to find a post like mine just so you can say I'm wrong? What, are you bored? Get over yourself.

To Wildman - I understand that Big Red has made the Razr/Maxx their new flagship phone, but does that mean that they should just forget about the Bionic? Maybe that's a little harsh the way I'm viewing the situation, but this thread is all about my personal preference.

As for Moto's stance on unlocked bootloaders, than why is the UK "Developer Edition" of the Razr unlocked? Seems inconsistent if you ask me. Why even make a developer edition if they're going to stand by their locked bootloader policy?

Of course the average user doesn't care about an unlocked bootloader, but what about the ones who do? HTC and Samsung embrace the modding community because, and this is my opinion of course, they see how useful they can be and can maybe even help with certain problems a phone may have that they didn't catch. I know for a fact that Samsung actually brought on board a Mod Guru(Steve Kondik) from the community to help them.

Yes, (deleted content to comply with VZW ToS) your phone voids the warranty, but that's a risk people are going to take regardless, so why restrict my phone because of issues they have with people voiding their warranties? If the bootloader is unlocked, a voided warranty doesn't matter because of backups we can make. There are workarounds even now, but it would just be a simpler process if the bootloader was unlocked.

The reason I want my bootloader unlocked is personal preference.

When I had my OG Droid, I modded that thing like it was going out of style. I overclocked the processor, I changed the way the framework looked, I put the most recent OS on there before it was officially released by Big Red(main reason for that is because the modding community is awesome to say the least and really know how to unlock a phones true potential that Moto seems to want to lock down now)

The reason I want ICS is because it's the latest OS. I'm able to remove bloatware without having (deleted content to comply with VZW ToS) my phone in anyway whatsoever. And for people saying that it's not a big deal, it doesn't use that much resources, ect. It's the fact that it uses resources to begin with. I don't want it on my phone, but I can't remove it either. And just because "nearly all phones have it" Doesn't make it right.

All in all, people are going to (deleted content to comply with VZW ToS their phones anyway, so just let them. The (deleted content to comply with VZW ToS) community is not going away, and they're smart, smart enough to find workarounds for locked bootloaders and other locked down software. By restricting the phones that these people, myself included, paid good money for is ridiculous, and because of this, I won't buy another moto phone even if it's just on principle. I won't leave Verizon and never claimed I would, only that I won't buy Moto again. It's not a threat, just a statement of my opinion on the company.

Imclaurin, I just want to say thank you dude.

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I would also like to know why I'm being moderated? I noticed that this long post was actually taken down and now it's back up? Just curious.

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lmclaurin
Enthusiast - Level 2

This person was venting about how he feels about HIS phone; who cares how you feel about yours?  Start your own "I love my Bionic" thread.

ncoclub
Enthusiast - Level 3

Because of your rudeness I have in mind to post a 500+ word "rant" about how much I love my Droid Bionic!!!!

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HighDesert
Contributor - Level 2

lmclaurin wrote:

This person was venting about how he feels about HIS phone; who cares how you feel about yours?  Start your own "I love my Bionic" thread.

Who cares what you think about my reply?  Start your own "I don't like your reply" thread.

Apparently you didn't know that this is a public forum or maybe you don't know how public forums work.

To say that "you should never disagree with the OP and so should only post replies that agree with the OP" shows that you must be new to this world.  Noobs should read the rules before they post.

If the OP has the right to vent their glands on this forum in a rant then I have the right to post a reply to that rant.

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lmclaurin
Enthusiast - Level 2

I'm well aware of what kind of forum this is; it's for all opinions.  For you to chime in and insult someone elses' opinion and call it whining and wish they would, essentially, go away is the height of arrogance and rudeness.  YOU should learn some manners.  You must be a "noob" using grammar; I never said "you should never disagree with the OP and so should only post replies that agree with the OP", so don't quote something that was never said.

Wildman
Legend

Your correct... Its nice when it stays civil...

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