talk to google...they load the apps. i'm sure vzn makes sure their apps are loaded....but google loads those vzn apps, along with the non verizon apps that can not be uninstalled.
AZSALUKI wrote:talk to google...they load the apps. i'm sure vzn makes sure their apps are loaded....but google loads those vzn apps, along with the non verizon apps that can not be uninstalled.
I know there is gmail customer care...but whom do we contact about the preinstalled apps? what customer care?
Just to add in as i said in another post ALL android phones have preinstalled apps.
AZSALUKI wrote:talk to google...they load the apps. i'm sure vzn makes sure their apps are loaded....but google loads those vzn apps, along with the non verizon apps that can not be uninstalled.
Not true. The junk is put in there by HTC because Verizon makes them in order to allow the device on their network.
Agreed it is Verizon request the apps to be included.
I think all these apps need to be optional so you can choose to add or remove what is installed. Other bloat ware like City ID and stuff like that should have the option to uninstall.
I wonder why someone can't make an app to uninstall the preloaded apps? maybe it's not even possible though.
raskolnik.....i'm not buyin that. as far as i know EVERY android device (on every carrier) has google maps, google talk, gmail, google whatever, etc. preloaded. you're tellin me vzn controls that?????
You guys need to realize its all a partnership. Google has partners with lots of people/companies, verizon does, etc. They all have to put stuff on their stuff and vice versa to keep the partnerships and in thus helping each other out, advertising, etc.
There's really no product anymore that doesn't come with something else in it try and sell you more stuff. It's all a form of advertising. Just get use to it guys. I'd like to remove the stuff too but, yeah... can't.
w40d1n1 wrote:
I don't pay VZ every month for them to tell me what 3rd party apps to run on my phone. 3rd party apps are a revenue stream for VZ, so VZ is making money off me (and you) on top of the existing $$ we already give them. This isn't about the free-to-use apps, this is about VZ force running apps that want additional $$ from me (on top of what I already pay VZ).
For you it is, Verizon isn't some dictator of applications. Google has the largest part to deal with it. Google and the Manufacturer, assuming you have a specific UI on your phone (SENSE/MotoBLUR).
not to mention that i am sure some of the agreements help to susidize these phones. i know our commitments.contracts go towards that as well....but i'm sure some of their relationships assist in the ability to give us a $600 retail phone for $100-$200?
The length of the contract is suppose to cover the up-front cost of the handset, or so that's what VZ tells Wall St and other business analysts. Go google that.
i believe i already said that. but keep in mind, a 2 year contract would subsidize a $200-$300 device a few years back. these are now the price of a laptop. they are not your smartphone of 5 years ago. also...yes...they make money. that's what you start a business for. i wouldn't start up a business to break even. that's just silly. they make money and they make a lot of it....and they reinvest it into the best (hands down...there is no argument to be made) network available. you get what you pay for with verizon, like with anything else. you can save a buck by going with another carrier. sprint and at&t are fine. so is tmobile. and they are cheaper. i'll keep my coverage.
> a 2 year contract would subsidize a $200-$300 device
You aren't considering, or don't understand, inflation. Also, 5 years ago a $200 handset didn't have a $130/mo contract.
The total value of the contract is considered *before* the contract is drawn-up..... Skype was added last week.
true...the value is considered before it's drawn up. and terms are clearly stated BEFORE you signed it. and they are not violating any terms. look...i'm not a fan of this....i'm just saying they aren't doing anything wrong or unethical or deceiptful or anything like that. thay are pushing products....just like the free apps that we all download every day (the ones with scrolling ads). if we don't like the ads we uninstall the app. if we don't want preloaded junk, we don't have to buy the device. these had most of the bloatware on them when we bought them and now they have added 3 or 4 more (one of which, customers asked for. vzn nav. now i don't get why anyone wants to pay for that when you can use google for free...but search the forum. there are threads where customers wanted vzn nav because they prefered it). it's not a big deal. that's all.
You are missing the point that with VZ's release of froyo those undesirable apps not only are installed BUT now also always running. I can understand VZ pushing apps to customers, what I can't believe is that the apps can't be uninstalled and they can't be stopped from running. That is sinister behavior imho.
they aren't running on mine??? actually skype is running, but i use skype so i'd expect it to be running. none of the others have shown up since yesterday morning (since i uninstalled my app killer).
Try rebooting your phone, The apps will be running again.
Even Microsoft never did anything as evil as this. With Microsoft's rogue apps (Windows Messenger, IE5/6, etc) you could still uninstall them and/or disable them from auto-starting. Even with Dell PC's you can uninstall all the crap they throw on there. Verizon has sunk to a level of evil below even Microsoft and Dell.
why would i want to intentionally start them again? i rebooted earlier today. they are gone. they shut down eventually and they don't start back up, unless you reboot or kill them yourself. i rarely turn the phone off (only did this morning to see if it charges faster like others have said) so i guess i won't have to worry about it. but sure...it would be nice if you could uninstall them. it would be nice if i did not more or less HAVE to set up a gmail account to fully use this...but i did.
w40d1n1 wrote:Try rebooting your phone, The apps will be running again.
Even Microsoft never did anything as evil as this. With Microsoft's rogue apps (Windows Messenger, IE5/6, etc) you could still uninstall them and/or disable them from auto-starting. Even with Dell PC's you can uninstall all the crap they throw on there. Verizon has sunk to a level of evil below even Microsoft and Dell.
Why are you so being mellowdrammatic?
If you have your phone running on Froyo (or even Eclair for that matter), the phone will automatically kick off the Skype and/or other applications you're not using within you using your first six applications.
With one of these insanely small applications running you are not going to notice a huge difference. If it's that large of a deal for you, go root your phone and be satisfied. If you don't want to do that, stop complaining. It'll get you no where here.
It's not malicious, it's not "wrong." And furthermore, it affects your phone little, to none at all.
> Why are you so being mellowdrammatic?
I'm not. I am pointing out VZ's behavior in comparison to other known behavior from a similar industry in a similar time.
> If you have your phone running on Froyo (or even Eclair for that matter), the phone
> will automatically kick off the Skype and/or other applications you're not using within
> you using your first six applications.
Not true. I have ~20 apps running, and Skype (which has never been launched since the froyo upgrade) is still running. Last reboot was ~4 hours ago.
> With one of these insanely small applications running you are not going to notice
> a huge difference. If it's that large of a deal for you, go root your phone and be
> satisfied. If you don't want to do that, stop complaining. It'll get you no where here.
I work for a competitor to Skype. I don't want Skype running on my handset as Skype has access to my mic and network connection... and I know exactly what it can do with those hardware bits. Sure I could root the phone, but why should I have to do that when I am already paying for a working device?
> It's not malicious, it's not "wrong." And furthermore, it affects your phone little, to none at all.
imho it is intentional and unethical... and evil.
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