Why do I only get 35/15 on a 35/35 plan?
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Did you run the Verizon optimzer?
Think verizon are having you on with that statement. I have a 25/20 configuration and typically get 25/22. You are paying for an internet connection that is not meant to include whatever minimal traffic is being used by the TV signal that I really doubt comes down as an IP signal anyway.
If you really want to try it power off all your STBs and then run the speedtest.
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First of all, most speedtest websites are not capable of giving accurate results for fios.
Secondly, one of the factors affecting speed on a pc which has a wired connection(cat5) is RWIN value of the pc.
How to check RWIN value?
1] Go to Speedguide.
2] On left hand panel on the website there is a link for TCP/IP analyzer which will give you the RWIn value.
3] It should be more than 100,000. If not the pc needs to be optimized.
If you have windows xp try optimizing the pc. http://www22.verizon.com/ResidentialHelp/FiOSInternet/General%20Support/Top%20Questions/QuestionsOne...
If you have windows vista, contact microsoft to get the hotfix to increase the RWIN value on the pc.
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Please remember guys that there are NO registry values that affect upload speeds in windows.
RWIN and all that crazy stuff only affect download speed. so the optimizer would not help in the case of bad upload speedtest results
to the OP make sure you are testing from speedtest.verizon.net on a HARDWIRED pc. no wireless.
and to answer the original question, YES a lot of people get the 35 up speed.
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@Sonia wrote:
Thanks for your help. I'm running Windows 7. When I run Verizon Optimizer it say it needs to optimize Windows and it does so (?). After reboot, same speeds. Sometime I get 4, sometimes 8 and once I got 16, but never anything close to the 35 I should be getting. abhi_col, I followed your advice and links (thanks) and my RWin is 66792. Can that be the issue? Can it be easily changed in Windows 7? I actually do a lot of heavy uploading for my job, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.abhi_col hit on most of the probable issue. Many speedtest sites have problems accuratly testing the upload speeds so that is part of it but not the whole issue. And from your description you may have other issues. the TV service is on a seperate internet channel so it does not affect your internet speeds. So someone was just giving you a bogus excuse on that.
With Windows 7, there has been a speed issue identified on another thread..... it begs the question. What Anti Virus service do you use? Another user posted that he was having speed issues and tracked it down to AVG anti virus and Windows 7. Once he removed the AVG the speeds were fine. reinstall AVG and the speeds tanked again. So he had to switch AV products. Maybe you are seeing something similar?
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@Sonia wrote:
Thanks for your help. I'm running Windows 7. When I run Verizon Optimizer it say it needs to optimize Windows and it does so (?). After reboot, same speeds. Sometime I get 4, sometimes 8 and once I got 16, but never anything close to the 35 I should be getting. abhi_col, I followed your advice and links (thanks) and my RWin is 66792. Can that be the issue? Can it be easily changed in Windows 7? I actually do a lot of heavy uploading for my job, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.RWin could be part of the problem... not sure if the fault isn't Verizon's to a large extent also though.
I keep my RWin at 1045440 (I have 20/5 btw, but not sure the provided speed makes any difference with the RWin setting).
To adjust your settings, go to DrTCP and they will give you a tool to do it with:
http://www.dslreports.com/drtcp
Once you run the .exe there it will give you your values.
Then where it says "online tweak tester" click on it and run that, and it will give you recommendations for your optimal settings. Once you go back to the .exe and run it again to insert the new values you will need to restart for the settings to take effect. See how much it helps your speed and performance, ok?
P.S. Just make sure you have your Ethernet Networking Controller(s) selected in the drop-down menu under Adapter Settings when you apply your changes, or you may be doing it to the IEEE thingy or something else instead.
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You need to run IE in administrator mode to get Fios Speed Optimizer to function. 1-From the start menu, locate Internet Explorer and right click it, then click "Run as Administrator" .
2-When IE opens go to Fios speed test page http://www2.verizon.net/micro/speedtest/java/
run the test and then click on optimizer, when it completes, restart the computer,run IE normally and re-test.
If it does not work at first, let the optimizer reset the windows settings and start from #1 again
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Don't fall for trickery in believing the browser optimization if is end all fix all to your issues. I have a remote site I use for my work that has a OC3 connect (OC3 can achieve 155Mbps throughput) and I'm having the same results. Luckily for me I work in the IT industry with some fairly good data pipes to test my speeds, unlike the average user.
As I mentioned in my earlier post.....I started noticing the speed decreases over this past weekend and the tech hinted to me there have been some issues with provisioning of 25/15 and up but thought the issues may have been resolved. I think they're still lingering. The speed tests I've run personally outside of the typical test on (DSLReports, Speakeasy, Speedguide) all confirm that there is something wrong with Verizon's provisioning schema, interconnects or bad planning.
I've been happy with my service up until now but this stinks.
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That RWIN value is low.
Try what vcorde suggested and if RWIN value is still low, please contact microsoft or pc vendor.
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@Sonia wrote:
Thanks for your help. I'm running Windows 7. When I run Verizon Optimizer it say it needs to optimize Windows and it does so (?). After reboot, same speeds. Sometime I get 4, sometimes 8 and once I got 16, but never anything close to the 35 I should be getting. abhi_col, I followed your advice and links (thanks) and my RWin is 66792. Can that be the issue? Can it be easily changed in Windows 7? I actually do a lot of heavy uploading for my job, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.
The optimizer won't run on windows 7 as the active-x control needed is not compatible with win7 and fails to install.
If you've manage to get it to run I would very much like to know how you got the add-on HstWebInstall.cab to install as that is what is needed for the optimizer to run.
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@viafax999 wrote:
@Sonia wrote:
Thanks for your help. I'm running Windows 7. When I run Verizon Optimizer it say it needs to optimize Windows and it does so (?). After reboot, same speeds. Sometime I get 4, sometimes 8 and once I got 16, but never anything close to the 35 I should be getting. abhi_col, I followed your advice and links (thanks) and my RWin is 66792. Can that be the issue? Can it be easily changed in Windows 7? I actually do a lot of heavy uploading for my job, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.The optimizer won't run on windows 7 as the active-x control needed is not compatible with win7 and fails to install.
If you've manage to get it to run I would very much like to know how you got the add-on HstWebInstall.cab to install as that is what is needed for the optimizer to run.
An yes, the famous Optimizer. I know it well. Here's about my experience, for what it's worth...
http://forums.verizon.com/t5/FiOS-Internet/Using-FIOS-optimizer-with-Windows-7/m-p/145604#M10722
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Hi Sonia,
I'm having the same problem as you and mine appeared to start happening before I upgraded.
Back in August I switched my residential 25/15 FIOS Internet to to FIOS Business 25/15 (needed the static IPs).
Since August I've consistent speed at or exceeding 25/15 (sometimes 27/18). This past weekend I noticed my speeds were dropping on on the up side but always consistent on the down side. My download speeds have never change (always 25Mbps or more) but uploads hovered around 7-10Mbps. I did everything you mentioned as process of elimination. When plugged directly in the ONT the speed decrease on the upside remain. I thought upgrading to 35/35 yesterday would fix the problem, I was hoping someone at Verizon would see the issue and fix it when I upgraded. I was wrong.
I got the 35/35 upgrade - my download speeds are consistent 35Mbps - 37Mbps. My download speeds are around 15 - 17Mbps. I called the tech support and they sent a service rep out on the same day. He spent all of 5 hours optimizing, connecting directly to my ONT, testing connection from my Westel router, even replacing the ONT. Still nothing improved. I can tell you for sure that the problem falls flat in the lap of Verizon and they need to fess up quickly. I'm sure this issue is not isolated to just you and I, they're are others that are probably experiencing what we are. I'm calling support back in the morning and letting them know the issue hasn't been resolved.
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Another thing I'd like to mention.
The claim that using an optimizer is somehow going to increase or fix this problem is absolutely absurd. Another ridiculous remark is about these speed test sites not being able to accurately gauge your speeds. Notice that during these tests your download speeds are their upload speed, your upload speeds are their downloads speeds. So testing your downloads and you're getting 35Mbps clearly proves these sites have adequate bandwidth to provide near accurate numbers. In all my technical career I have never seen nor heard of a site or user with faster up speeds than down speeds. Have any of you?
Explain to me how the technician at my home yesterday with his own optimized Windows XP laptop still had the same problem...while directly connected to my ONT. I should also mention that my home is in a brand new community with CAT6 installed throughout the home. We can easily eliminate old/poor cabling...especially since I was getting 25/15 in consistently before this past weekend. This issue persists on all of the operating systems I run at home - Windows 2008,XP,Vista,7. Mac OSX Snow Leopard, FreeBSD, Ubuntu Linux. There was no excuses the technician coule make after his visit with me as I'm a very proficient computer user. He actually thanked me for making for being so resourceful and making his job easier.
So...the ball is in Verizon's court. They need to get this issue sorted.
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@DRAZY wrote:Another thing I'd like to mention.
The claim that using an optimizer is somehow going to increase or fix this problem is absolutely absurd. Another ridiculous remark is about these speed test sites not being able to accurately gauge your speeds. Notice that during these tests your download speeds are their upload speed, your upload speeds are their downloads speeds. So testing your downloads and you're getting 35Mbps clearly proves these sites have adequate bandwidth to provide near accurate numbers. In all my technical career I have never seen nor heard of a site or user with faster up speeds than down speeds. Have any of you?
Explain to me how the technician at my home yesterday with his own optimized Windows XP laptop still had the same problem...while directly connected to my ONT. I should also mention that my home is in a brand new community with CAT6 installed throughout the home. We can easily eliminate old/poor cabling...especially since I was getting 25/15 in consistently before this past weekend. This issue persists on all of the operating systems I run at home - Windows 2008,XP,Vista,7. Mac OSX Snow Leopard, FreeBSD, Ubuntu Linux. There was no excuses the technician coule make after his visit with me as I'm a very proficient computer user. He actually thanked me for making for being so resourceful and making his job easier.
So...the ball is in Verizon's court. They need to get this issue sorted.
That is actually a true statement (please remember I am simply discussing the one statement in bold, none of your other remarks are in my thoughts with this answer)
--- Those speedtest sites are questionable at best, I can test from them on a DS3 connection at work and they give me miserably slow upload speed test results almost religiously. it's only until I click on 8-10 different servers do I find ONE that gives me a good speed test result. ALWAYS make sure you are using Verizon's Speedtest that way if you get bad results, they can't blame it on another company in saying "well they can't support the speed upload test" which is partly true. Don't give them that "out" though. just go to their site and put the ball back in their court immediately.
Speedtest sites that I use, are as follows
speedtest.net
speakeasy.com
and pcpitstop.com
For Drazy, I suspect his problem is slightly different than the OP And yes the ball is definetly in VZ court, and specifically because the Field Technician went to your house, and hooked up his laptop directly at the ONT. When connected at the ONT he is cutting off all your house wires, and PC's and isolating the entirety of your house as a potential problem, and he is linked directly into the FiOS connection.
So if you are hooked up ethernet at the ONT instead of MOCA (coax) like most users, then he should have bypassed any router at the location and direct connected laptop to the ONT. If still unable to get the speeds you should be subscribed too, then he has network technicians that he should have been reaching out to to help him isolate the problem.
could be the ONT or the network in general on that case.
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@Hubrisnxs wrote:--- Those speedtest sites are questionable at best, I can test from them on a DS3 connection at work and they give me miserably slow upload speed test results almost religiously. it's only until I click on 8-10 different servers do I find ONE that gives me a good speed test result.
I couldn't agree more.
Here are my nearest server's results (Dallas; <50 miles):
http://www.speedtest.net/result/690127554.png
Here are my results from a server in San Marcos (250 miles):
http://www.speedtest.net/result/690133239.png
And btw this is with this particular site (http://www.speedtest.net/) getting its act together. In the past they used a server here in the Dallas area that would give me upload results half that of those from the far far away San Marcos one. ![]()
On a positive note, usually if you have bad results you can call Verizon and the tech will run a speed test himself (ok, most of them will anyway, and cheerfully....
) If the results are way out of whack, and it's your router they WILL ship you a new one, Just ask me. LOL I'm on my third Actiontec. ![]()
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Hubrisnxs - let me clear up what I meant. These test sites can't be discounted for the service they provide in illustrating the line qualities of connection speeds of a particular ISP. In my experience with them (most of them you mentioned) they have shown constant numbers in my speeds.
I have already tested my connection from a remote site on a DS3 connection. The numbers from all the other sites pretty much confirm my suspicions of the problem being on Verizon's side. I had the same tech out again. This time he came out the 1 tier tech he was speaking too had him download the speed test TCP optimizer and run his tests from the ONT. He was getting the same speeds as before with the exception of Verizon's speed test sight (36/32) but he was still getting inconsistent speedson the upload side (6, 9, 17, 22Mbps). What I hate is the engineer he was on the phone with told him if the test showed 36/32 on Verizon site then that's all he could do. That was until I explained I had done my own tests on a DS3 and what the numbers were.He said he would have to put in a ticket to have the issue elevated to a tier 2 engineer. Something about replacing a card the central office that could be causing the problems.BTW....my ONT was swapped out on Monday and my speeds are still the same.
I'm hoping they resolve this soon.
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Can you try to upload something and then post what the transfer rate for upload is for any file?
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Good evening.
Quite a few interesting perspectives on speed sites here - so let's cut to the chase.
One thing we can agree on is that not all speed test sites are created equal or entirely accurate. It depends on where they are, where you are, how busy the speed test server is and the relative amount of network congestion at the time. That being said, some days you may have great results, other days you may not. As the auto industry so cleverly puts it "your mileage may vary."
So what *can* you do to make the most of your throughput on FiOS?
Many posts here talk about changing the RWIN or using Verizon's speed optimizer. There's a few factors to consider here...
First: Isolation
As with any good experiment it is important to have a controlled environment. The ideal situation would involve a single computer connected via an Category 5 Ethernet patch cord. Nothing fancy - a standard 6' cord should do the trick. If at all possible turn off the wireless (or at least remove the antenna) and disconnect all other computers from the network. If you have FiOS TV service you may want to turn off your set top boxes.
The reason for this is so that all of your bandwidth will be available for the computer utilized for the speed test.
If anything is competing with your test computer for bandwidth it will taint the results.
Second: Optimizers, RWIN and Windows 7; Oh my!
Fact: Your RWIN value is very important - it is your TCP receive window. There's a very detailed technical (insert yawn here) explanation at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RWIN
Here's the short version: not having a big enough RWIN means the computer will receive information in smaller "chunks" and makes inefficient use of your bandwidth. It determines whether your computer will receive data in "pickup truck" sized pieces and "semi tractor-trailer" sized pieces.
So...
Now that we know what RWIN is let's talk about the Verizon Optimizer. Again, the short version: works great if you're running Windows XP (usually). If you're running Windows Vista or Windows 7; my condolences.
What's the difference? Windows XP has been around long enough that many 3rd party "optimizer" tools including the one used by Verizon can easily change the parameters of your TCP stack; specifically the RWIN.
- Side bar: Apple released the Apple Broadband Tuner 1.0 which you can utilize to optimize your Mac for FiOS service. It is available from their website for FREE. (http://support.apple.com/downloads/Broadband_Tuner_1_0)
Back to our story...
For Windows Vista and Windows 7 users; Microsoft created an "enhanced" version of TCP that includes an auto-tuning feature. Translation: the operating system isn't too keen on letting you adjust the RWIN out of the box. For the long and dramatic story you can look it up on Google / Bing or check out these links:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/967475
http://blogs.technet.com/fixit4me/archive/2009/01/14/disable-tcp-auto-tuning-fix-it-live.aspx
What's next?
Well, for starters you may want to look into disabling that auto-tuning TCP feature (directions available at http://support.microsoft.com) and then try setting your RWIN & RTT correctly. You can borrow the suggested values listed on Apple's site or do the math based on the Wiki page I linked earlier.
If you have isolated the PC; killed the auto-tuning feature; optimized RWIN & RTT; (insert "reboot your PC" here); and still have trouble hitting top speeds - remember that you may want to try several sites at several times throughout the day to get a mean or average idea of your throughput (note: throughput not bandwidth!). Personally I like using Verizon's tool along with any reputable 3rd party speed test sites.
Keep in mind that the time of day you elect to run a speed test can be a major factor in your results; particularly if you run the test during peak usage hours (don't forget about other people in time zones behind yours).
If after all that you still aren't hitting peak speeds - then there may be a provisioning issue. If you call 888-553-1555 and speak to one of the fine technicians at the FSC (depends on who you get) and explain to them that you've already done the above; they can have your network provisioning checked and corrected.
Good luck and enjoy your zippy FiOS service.
Hope this helps. ![]()
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Just to revisit this issue. I for one being the tech I am was quick to blame Verizon. I was consistantly getting 35/15 after running one or more optimizers. Be very careful when trying to run any optimizer with Vista or Windows 7. Many are written for XP or below. No matter what anyone says about running something as administrator. Running something as administrator says you absolutly trust the source to be correct in their code writting abilities.
Here is my story. Started out with the Older 610x ONT and it maxes out at 35/29 or perhaps below. I was upgraded to the newer ONT 612 and was getting 35/28 to 35/33 or 32. Well I followed many peoples advice about this optimizer or that one. After about a week with 35/35 I was down to 35/15. Tried everything to get it back to where it was. Final solution was a total reload after I corrupted my registry.
Results to prove a point.
Booted Linux live trial CD to test another OS without installing. Results were 36/37.
Clean drive Vista install, after backing all my data off of it using another PC. No service pack. 35/15 all upates.
Vista SP1 35/15 All updates minus Microsoft's recommended driver updates.
Vista SP2 35/15 All updates minus Microsoft's recommended driver updates.
Vista SP2 36/37 after installing Microsoft's recommended driver updates.
Not sure what un optimized my speeds. But not everything is Verizon's fault. I will be the first to admit that they were right and I was wrong. But it still was not my router, but you must test all with their router or forget about support.
So lessons learned.
1. A manufacture's driver could be older than the one that is provided through Microsoft.
2. Do not run any optimizer without a complete registry back up.
3. Never turn off system protection so you will always have a restore point. If your hard drive is to full by bigger one.
4. Don't always blame Verizon. Oh this might be #1.