DSL Availability
xxHopefulxx
Enthusiast - Level 3

Can someone please help me.  I live in an area where I get home phone service from Verizon, but no DSL or anything of that sort.  Anyone know if Verizon plans to expand their networks.

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Re: DSL Availability
jmw1950
Specialist - Level 2

DSL service is seriously limited by the length of the copper pair between you and the Central Office. 3 miles is about the upper limit where it makes sense. By contrast with line loading (incompatible with DSL), and other techniques, Toll grade voice quality or ISDN service is available at much greater distances. ISDN will only get you 128kbp with both B channels, but ISDN is a tarifed service in most places. In other words, if you order it, Verizon has to provide it. DSL is not a tarifed service, so there is no mandate that it be provided. ISDN also tends to be a lot more expensive than DSL.

So if you are more than about 3 miles from the Central office, you are likely to get DSL service on the 21st of Never. Verizon has shown very limited interest in upgrading their wireline infrastructure. If you are lucky at some point you may get FiOS, FiOS is pretty insensitive to length of the fiber.

My advice is not to hold your breath waiting for DSL service to come. Your other choices are Cable,  at significant higher cost, Satellite based Internet, or mobile phone based internet. Or you can continue to live with dial up service.

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xxHopefulxx
Enthusiast - Level 3

Well if Verizon isn't expanding their networks, then does anyone know if Comcast is expanding.  Because Comcast is our cable provider, and they say the same thing, that the lines are too old to provide DSL.  Another thing is that our cable is very crappy,  it goes out for hours sometimes, and then certain channels will go out for lengths of time.  I wonder if I call will that make any difference of them upgrading the lines? 

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Re: DSL Availability
dslr595148
Community Leader
Community Leader

I do not the answer to your question(s).

I never knew that Comcast can provide DSL. Maybe, perhaps you meant to say..


@xxHopefulxx wrote:

Because Comcast is our cable provider, and they say the same thing, that the lines are too old to provide two way cable Internet Access.


So if what you meant to say is what I thought you meant, if they are providing Internet Access it is only.

#1 Dial-up?

#2 OR one way cable? By one way cable, this means your download comes by cable and your upload speed goes by dail-up. More details, are for example are at http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/telcoreturn.htm

#3 OR only Wi-Fi?

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Re: DSL Availability
xxHopefulxx
Enthusiast - Level 3

So what are you saying?  Is it possible for Comcast to offer HSI no matter what the lines are like, since it uses dial up?

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jmw1950
Specialist - Level 2

The answer is maybe. It is technically possible to use phone for the Uplink and Cable for the downlink, and at least in the past that is what some Cable ISP have done. The underlying issue isn't so much how old the cable is, it is cable plant equipment. When Cable Systems were designed, there were no plans for any significant amount of 'back haul' traffic, i.e. traffic from the subscriber back to the cable head equipment.

Substantial infrastructure is required in the cable facilities to provide significant back haul (uplink) internet capacity, and evidently where you live, Comcast doesn't think it pays to make the investment. The frequencies used for the uplink on the cable are such that the cable can be in miserable condition, and it will still work. The Uplink operates below the frequencies used for Cable TV.