Does MI424WR Rev.I support 200/200?
VTech1
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Hi,

Does the MI424WR Rev. I router support 200/200 service if connected via wired Ethernet to the ONT? My Verizon speed test results are 145/127 Mbps. The router specs indicate it handles Gigabit speeds, but an Internet search found someone else with a similar problem and quoting a Verizon tech saying that the MI424 does not support 200/200. So is someone using a MI424 with 200/200 service and getting that speed?

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gs0b
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The Rev I. Actiontec handles wired speeds up to a gigabit.  In order to get those speeds, it must be connected to the ONT using Ethernet WAN.  Coax WAN is limited to around 175Mbps, however Verizon shouldn't have deployed it for speeds above 100Mbps.  Can you confirm if your WAN connection from the ONT is coax or Ethernet?

That said, it's WiFi is woefully slow by today's standards and it is out of support.  I 2nd Cang_Household's recommendation that you upgrade to a newer router, as it isn't getting security updates anymore.

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guy-rouillier
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I know I'm responding to an old message. I typed up a really long reply, but when I attempted to post it, the system wouldn't accept my credentials.  Just spent an hour in that rabbit hole. 😞

So I'll be brief.  I found the requested info here:

https://www.actiontec.com/bhr-rev-i/

INTERFACES:

- Four 10/100/1000 BaseT Ethernet LAN
- One 10/100/1000 BaseT Ethernet WAN

 

So the Rev I ActionTec is definitely capable of gigabit WAN speeds.

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gs0b
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The Rev I. Actiontec handles wired speeds up to a gigabit.  In order to get those speeds, it must be connected to the ONT using Ethernet WAN.  Coax WAN is limited to around 175Mbps, however Verizon shouldn't have deployed it for speeds above 100Mbps.  Can you confirm if your WAN connection from the ONT is coax or Ethernet?

That said, it's WiFi is woefully slow by today's standards and it is out of support.  I 2nd Cang_Household's recommendation that you upgrade to a newer router, as it isn't getting security updates anymore.

Cang_Household
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I would give you a tentative yes. Nevertheless, the MI424WR Rev. I is End of Life and End of Support as of September 2020. If you own or rent the router, you are advised to recycle the router and upgrade to either the G1100 or G3100. OR, use your own router if you do not have Fios TV service.

VTech1
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Thank you for your reply, but a tentative yes that the MI424 will support 200/200 service does not give me a lot of confidence that an upgraded router will solve the problem if the existing router should work. I know the MI424 is old, but if it is supposed to work I wonder why some Verizon tech would say it doesn't except to get you to upgrade. I only found one post where someone got about the same speed as I did with the MI424 on 200/200 service. I really like to see someone post that they got 200/200 or 400/400 which is theoretically possible unless the specs are wrong and this is not a Gigabit router.

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Cang_Household
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Whether MI424WR Rev. I has the necessary performance to handle 300/300 or not, I still recommend you to upgrade to a newer router, such as G1100, G3100, or buy your own router if you do not have TV service. Since the Rev. I is End of Support/End of Life, no security firmware updates will be developed and pushed. So, it is not a good idea to operate something with outdates firmware on the public Internet.

You can buy a Fios-G1100 off Ebay, used, for $37 with Verizon firmware. Verizon will associate that router to your account and handle firmware updates and technical support. Otherwise, you can always buy your own router with overkill features like Multi-WAN, VLANs, LAG, ACL, and VPNs.

VTech1
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I want to make sure that there is not some other issue, that is preventing me from getting 200/200 service.  The issue is whether or not the MI424 can handle 200/200 service, even if it is at its End of Service.  End of Service should not mean that the router which is specified to be a Gigabit router cannot perform that task. I can live with the fact that the MI424 will not work and I am willing to purchase a new router if that was the case, but I want someone to verify that fact.

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gs0b
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As I said, it can handle speeds up to a gigabit on wired.  What more do you want?

VTech1
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Thanks for the reply. You stated that yes it can handle speeds up to 1 Gigabit on wired Ethernet WAN. Is that based on the specs or do you have or know of actual experience? And yes, I am using wired Ethernet from the ONT to the router. What more do I want? I want someone with actual experience to say that they used the MI424 on 200/200 service or better with no issues. I am not the only one in this forum that has an issue with 200/200 service with the MI424. I am aware of the WiFi limitations of the MI424 but I mainly use wired Ethernet so that is not an issue for me. 

I am aware that there are probably not many folks still using the MI424; that when they upgrade their FIOS service, Verizon probably convinced them to upgrade their router. Did Verizon do this because they know the MI424 would not work at the high speed as someone claims they were told by a Verizon tech or for some other reason, like better WiFi performance,  sell or rent more routers, etc.?

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gs0b
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Again, the Actiontec rev I can handles the speeds.  It is designed for such and many people have used it for gigabit.  You won't find many any more, as most high speed users have migrated to newer routers to get better WiFi.  The only folk I run into who still use it are people on ancient 75Mbps plans that haven't upgraded.

I used to use one of these routers, and still have it around collecting dust after I replaced it with a G1100.   I think I used it for a while when I upgraded to gigabit, but I don't remember the exact timing.  I doubt i would have bought a G1100 when I was on 75Mbps, but I might have. That was many, many years ago.

Rather than keep asking for 2nd hand information you're unlikely to get or trying to figure out Verizon's business practices, I suggest you preset the details of your specific technical problem.  We users here may be able to help you resolve it.

Since you have Ethernet WAN, you can also easily try any other router of your choice to test your service.  That could be helpful.

Cang_Household
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Hello VTech, let me make some flow diagrams for you.

Your MI424WR Rev. I is not delivering 200/200 -> does other people get 200/200 on MI424WR Rev. I?

-> If the answer is positive, you can perhaps conclude your Rev. I is defective, therefore changing the router is necessary.

-> If the answer is negative, you can perhaps conclude all Rev. I is incapable of delivering 200/200, therefore changing the router is necessary.

Either way, you will perhaps reach the same conclusion.

Technically, you can pull your Rev. I from your network and test its NAT throughput under a controlled condition. Connect a computer's NIC to the WAN port and another NIC to the LAN port, then run iperf across the two NICs through the router. You should get your answer.

VTech1
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Thank you for the iperf suggestion. I will try that when I have time in a couple of days and post my results. I have used iperf in the past and forgot about that tool.

To add to your flow diagram, it could be possible that the answer is positive and that the Rev. I is not defective, then a new router is not necessary but that would mean there is a problem with Verizon. I was thinking there could be a problem with the Ethernet wiring from the router to the ONT the limits the speed but I ruled that out because if there was a wiring problem I would expect the download and upload speed to match. 

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Cang_Household
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Since you have the WAN Ethernet coming out of the ONT, why don't you directly connect a computer to the ONT and test the speed from there?

VTech1
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I have run the iperf3 tests on the LAN ports and the results are above 900 Mbits/sec but I have not determined out how to easily test the WAN port on the router because the instructions I found involve setting a static IP address for the router which I think cannot be done with the MI424. Apparently testing the WAN port is not as simple as connecting a computer to the WAN port.

At this point, I am thinking about testing the Internet speed at the ONT, but I am not sure I can just connect my laptop to the ONT. I have read that there may be an issue with DHCP Release. I don't want to lose my Internet connection if I disconnect my router, connect my laptop to run the test, then reconnect my router.

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Edg1
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Yes, testing is as simple as connecting the pc or laptop to the ONT. If the iperf test is giving you 900 mbos, then your computer and router LAN ports are good. The issue still could be with the ONT, ethernet wiring from the ONT, or the router's WAN port. You will have to connect your pc to the ONT for further testing.