I Must be in Fios Heaven
jonjones1
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I thought I was dreaming. I was reading that if you turn WMM off on your router, QOS to off, the speeds greatly increase. I know that one upload has to be incorrect but it showed twice at simular speeds so I must be dreaming.

Great speed even better today, or I must be the only person in the neighborhood that has this speed.

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geschinger
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What do you get to third party speedtest sites?  I find the Verizon speedtest to be of limited use as it hides from their customers any evidence that they have bottlenecks on the ingress links.

I have gigabit connection and to third party sites I consistenly get around 900 Mbps up and down during less peak times of the day.  As I approach the early evening I'm lucky if I can crack 250 Mbps up/down until later in the evening.  It's still good relative to the past but I feel like they mislead their customers about what they are actually able to get using FiOS as they don't advertise it as gigabit only within the VZ network.  

jonjones1
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Actually at external speedtest sites I get 870/740 which is not gigabyte per se but as I always tell folks the higher speeds from Verizon Fios proprietary speedtest sites are not real world. Also depending on time of day can be lower but not down as low as you posted.

I was just amazed since I was messing around with my Nighthawk after a firmware update and bam it was fast. 😀

Seeker1437
Community Leader
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On the contrary, they are real world result...... jus tno for most of the communications people typically use.

The difference between the Verizon speedtest and most thrid party speed tests is that the Verizon speedtest uses UDP during the test (which does not require guaranteed delivery) whereas other use TCP (which requires guaranteed delivery, giving it more overhead and making it slower as a result)

In the optical network, account do get provisioned for Gigabit though (1024Mbps up/down) it's just non-dedicated so you might reach a slight low (980/880) though the FQG speed test says the speed may be go down as low as 750 up/down and pass.

jonjones1
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From http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol

“There are two types of Internet Protocol (IP) traffic. They are TCP or Transmission Control Protocol and UDP or User Datagram Protocol. TCP is connection oriented – once a connection is established, data can be sent bidirectional. UDP is a simpler, connectionless Internet protocol.“

its that simplier transport that is deceiving. Real world tests are mostly TCP which other speed sites use. So it’s like having a two lane highway where the right lane is faster because it makes no stops or exits to the destination.

the left lane is the slower traffic because it has exits and entries which make it more real world.

Seeker1437
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RIght, this is precisely what I mean, however there are more software that you use day today that uses UDP than you might think.

smith6612
Community Leader
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@jonjones wrote:

From http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol

“There are two types of Internet Protocol (IP) traffic. They are TCP or Transmission Control Protocol and UDP or User Datagram Protocol. TCP is connection oriented – once a connection is established, data can be sent bidirectional. UDP is a simpler, connectionless Internet protocol.“

its that simplier transport that is deceiving. Real world tests are mostly TCP which other speed sites use. So it’s like having a two lane highway where the right lane is faster because it makes no stops or exits to the destination.

the left lane is the slower traffic because it has exits and entries which make it more real world.



 What Seeker may be referring to is the QUIC protocol. Which is a TCP-esque protocol Google develops and of which is carried over UDP.

Here's a stream from YouTube. YouTube serves all videos over HTTPS and files can be downloaded as such. Transport is QUIC which is treated as UDP.

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YouTube uses QUIC over UDP for faster session setup and video delivery. Doesn't necessarily improve overall throughput, but it does help with reliability on lossy links due to the way the QUIC protocol is structured. UDP in and of itself is pretty "dumb" being a fire and forget protocol. Many web services do use QUIC first, followed by traditional protocols provided it's supported on both server and client end.

Beyond that, I'm still having a hard time seeing that Verizon's speed test is UDP based. Every time I've sniffed / MITM'd a speed test out it's riding over TCP.

Uberman1
Enthusiast - Level 2

i thought no other households are on your fios line so therefore the speed is always the same?

jonjones1
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@Uberman wrote:

i thought no other households are on your fios line so therefore the speed is always the same?


?????

i don't see that statement in the thread. Maybe you know something I don't.

in my neighborhood there are still a few homes that use Fios what they have I don't know since it's none of my business.

i know I have gigabyte service, and my speeds drop at test sites not of Verizon's proprietary speed test sites. But consistent at their own.

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TiNuZ
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still trying to find the QOS config in my router setup?!?! 

where is it hidden!??!

thx

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jonjones1
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@TiNuZ wrote:

still trying to find the QOS config in my router setup?!?! 

where is it hidden!??!

thx


What router are you using?

https://www.verizon.com/cs/groups/public/documents/adacct/fios-qgr-userguide140925.pdf

If the Quantum Gateway start at page 38. Turn off WMM on both the 2.4 Ghz and 5 Ghz and guest networks. 

Read the manual it tells you all that you need to know.

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Uberman1
Enthusiast - Level 2

if only it worked for me,I still have to wait for web pages to load.Fios was a big let down for me.

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jonjones1
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Did you call support? 1-800-VERIZON 

ask them to troubleshoot and see if the provisioned speed is on your account.

after Gigabyte speed is placed on your account make sure to turn off your router and turn off each device on your network and then wait a few minutes and turn your router back on. Wait for it to boot up completely and then turn on your computer and hook it to an available lan port on the router.

then take the Verizon Speedtest and see what speeds you are getting.

Wifi is no indication of speed obtained under Gigabyte so don’t even bother checking that. Verizon only accepts direct connection to their proprietary network via ethernet connection to the router. Not WiFi or other speed test sites 

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Sammy14221
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jonjones1
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@Sammy14221 wrote:

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I am sure the jpeg or gif image will appear later. There is a hold time on photo posts.

jonjones1
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@Sammy14221 wrote:

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Yep great speed....😀

FireFish1
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@jonjones wrote:

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I thought I was dreaming. I was reading that if you turn WMM off on your router, QOS to off, the speeds greatly increase. I know that one upload has to be incorrect but it showed twice at simular speeds so I must be dreaming.

Great speed even better today, or I must be the only person in the neighborhood that has this speed.


Wow, what mighty fast internet speeds you have! Smiley Surprised

Unfortunately for you (and I, who is also a Gigabit customer), those speeds are between your router and Verizon's swicthing station. Anything OUTSIDE of that will drop to 300-480 MBPs MAXIMUM. When you ask Verizon about this, they'll tell you "we only can speak for our speeds", and that is true. But seriously, what good is a Gigabit connection if the entire internet isn't hosted within your Verizon local switching facility? Anything outside gets cut down to half the speed.

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jonjones1
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Ha ha I knew that was a false reading. Later using the speed test it was back to the “up to speeds 940/880 Verizon publishes” but I just loved that number for the short term. 😀

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Lori12223
Newbie

More like HELL!!!!!No internet and have been in hold for 1 hour 57 mins.  I am calling cablevision tomorrow morning.   This is crazy!!!!!

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