Moca help

[physicschick]

All, i have fios internet only 400/400 in new 3 level townhome. there are coax jacks in all rooms, i pay for verizon router. i want moca but have the following question. there is a set of coax cables with no connector ends in a ring hanging outside by my verizon box. does this mean that my coax outlets in the house aren't "active" for a moca adaptor? i see a lot about splitters, i want to know if i need to connect the outside cables together and tie them into the box somehow for moca adaptors to work. thanks for your help. 

[physicschick]

also, my router is only connected to the ethernet port, not the coax jack in my family room...is it supposed to be connected to the coax?

[Cang_Household]

First, definitely find out where are your coax cables all terminated. You need a parallel connection between all coax drops where you would like to install MoCA adapters.

Since the MoCA port of your router is not connected, you don't have TV service, right?

It is possible to connect the MoCA port on your router to a wall coax outlet and the RF signal would propagate to the outside splitter then back in to other coax outlets in the house. Just make sure you connect all the coax wires with a MoCA 2.0+ compatible splitter. You should be good to go.

[physicschick]

lol, i have no idea what your first sentence means. all i know is that i have coax jacks in all my rooms and there is a bundle of unconnected cables hung outside by my verizon box.

i do not have tv service but there is a coax jack in the same wall plate as my ethernet jack.

[physicschick]

i don't know how to post a picture to show what i mean about my outside cabling...

[Cang_Household]

Above the rich text editor, there is a camera button for attaching photos.

[physicschick]

what are white lines for?

[Cang_Household]

Those are unterminated coax cables. You need to terminate them, at least for the ones you are using, and connect them altogether with a coax splitter. The splitter needs to be MoCA 2.0+ compatible.

The Verizon technician did them all for me five years ago. He left a bunch of short coax cables and several splitters.

[physicschick]

ok, so they go into one end of the splitter, then does the splitter go between them and the black cable going into the orange tube on the ground? sorry to be dense but i have no clue...

[Cang_Household]

OK. Where does the black cable go to? Where do the white cables go to? Where does the orange tube go to?

[physicschick]

best i can do is say that i don't know where these things go...house/garage was completely finished when i bought it. i can say that the bound cable in the furthest tube is not connected to anything... and i am assuming the white coax end up at the various jacks in my rooms...the cable that is stapled to the garage door wall is the powerline to the battery pack that is plugged in my garage...not much to go on i know..

[Cang_Household]

Ok. I understand the situation now.

What you need to do is find out which white coax cables you want to use. This answer really depends on which coax wall jack in the house you want to use. 

1) Determine which wall plates in the house you want to connect MoCA adapters and G3100 (a built-in MoCA adapter).

2) Determine which white coax cables are those wall plates connected to outside the house (You need a coax tester). Terminate all the white coax cables you want to use (You can learn how to terminate coax cables. You need to buy some tools if you don't have coax clamping tools). I guess doing yourself is cheaper than hiring an electrician or call back the Verizon technician.

3) Get a weather-proof MoCA 2.0+ compatible splitter (2 way or more, mine is a 6 way) to connect all the terminated coax cable together. Ground the splitter just like your ONT is grounded with a green wire.

4) Connect MoCA adapters and G3100 to the coax wall plates. Do configuration on MoCA adapters if not buying from Verizon.

Then you are good to go.

[physicschick]

you are being super helpful, yes i feel i can find out which white coax i need - prob the one near my verizon router and the one in the basement. i know i can terminate the white cables outside too. after i connect them to the splitter, and also ground the splitter, so i connect the white terminated lines to the out port of the splitter, ground it, then what about the "in" line? does the splitter need to get into the verizon box? i know all this seems obvious to techy folks, but i know other types of stuff - def not this!! lol.

so - white cables outside terminated - hooked to "out" of splitter - ground splitter - then lastly ---what do i connect to the "in" of the splitter?? also,  my router is moca compatible so i assume i will hook it via coax to the coax wall jack, then need only one adapter in the basement hooked to the coax jack. this much i think i understand. thanks sooooo much for all your help - trying to get my daughter a hardwire ethernet port in the basement for ps4 which doesn't seem to like wifi...thanks

[Cang_Household]

For MoCA, there is no "IN" or "OUT." Just imagine all ports on a splitter is parallelly connected. Do you need a link to the splitter? https://www.verizon.com/home/accessories/4-way-coax-splitter/ MoCA compatible splitters on Amazon are overpriced.

G3100 is MoCA 2.5 enabled. Do you need recommendation for MoCA adapters? How many ports do you want? I recommend Actiontec/Verizon ECB5240M (FiOS Network Adapter) for $55 with 4-ports (one MoCA 2.0 splitter and two short coax cables included). Otherwise, goCoax 2.5 on Amazon cost $60 for 1 port. Avoid Actiontec/Verizon WCB/ECB62xx. They have known compatibility issue with G3100.

[Cang_Household]

Adding two points:  The ONT does not need to be connected to the coax network because it is irrelevant to your issue. Please report back here once you get it to work. If you buy from Verizon, it typically takes 3-4 business days to ship from PA warehouse.

[physicschick]

you've been so helpful, these are the steps as i understand them:

**in Family room - fios router will be connected to ethernet jack and coax jack

**outside by the ONT my loose white coax cables will be terminated and all will be connected to a splitter(there are 4 wires and i have 4 jacks in the house

**in the basement i will connect a moca adapter to the coax jack

**i will not feed anything more into the ont box...

do i have this right? thanks so much for all your help, will likely get to this next weekend after i order the parts and the adapter...will keep you informed.

[Cang_Household]

You get all correctly.

If you are only using two coax cables, Verizon's ECB5240M comes with a 2-way (1 IN 2 OUT, total of 3 ports) splitter and two 2 feet coax cables (terminated). So no need to purchase an additional splitter or coax cables.

[physicschick]

so i'm still questioning how the coax cable connected to my router in the family room is going to send internet signal to the basement over coax. in my head i feel all 4 coax cables outside are fed into the 4 ports in my house. if they are all connected to a splitter with no "in" feed how does the signal travel from the family room to the other ports? in your picture what is the line on the bottom right? thanks

[Cang_Household]

You just need to connect what you are using. You are only using two white coax cables, one for G3100 and one for basement MoCA adapter. Theoretically, you can just connect them using a coax coupler (1 IN, 1 OUT). Since ECB5240M adapter comes with a 2-way splitter in the box, if you decide to purchase from Verizon, there is not need to buy extra coax couplers or a 4-way splitter. Technically, to connect all 4 coax wires, a 3-way splitter is fine (1 IN, 3 OUT). On my diagram, I have a 6-way splitter (1 IN, 6 OUT). All six ports on the front (2 on the top row, 4 on the bottom row) are OUT. There is a side port that is kind of hard to see behind the top row. That is the IN. All MoCA devices are on OUT. For IN port, I am using it as a ground wire (using a groundable coupler to conduct the shielding). Again, for MoCA signal, it does not matter you connect the device on IN or OUT. If it makes you happy, you can connect the coax from G3100 to IN, and basement coax to one of the OUT. Leave the other unused OUT port.

That black wire coming from the Orange Tube, is it a coax wire? Since your Verizon fiber comes from the same tube, I am assuming that is reserved for cable Internet Service from the street, which you are not subscribing. Even if you want TV service later, you won't connect that black wire, the TV coax comes from the ONT.

[physicschick]

and what about that unconnected black cable coming out of the orange tube? what is that and should it go on the splitter? why doesn't there need to be something connected to the "in" port on the splitter...

[Cang_Household]

Hello again. Have you ordered the parts and deployed the device? Is it working? Please post a update if you needs more help or the setup works.