Routing / Latency issues
chzoom
Enthusiast - Level 3

Is there anyone I can speak to about routing/latency issues? I recently switched to fios and since have had nothing but terrible lag issues when gaming. The issues occur just a hop or 2 off the verizon network. I can provide traceroutes, but primarily I am looking to speak with someone other than the tier1 folks answering the phones.

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dslr595148
Community Leader
Community Leader

@chzoom wrote:

You know what the best part about this issue is? We are months into this thread, nearly 80 posts in with reports for several different games, from several different regions of the country and yet not a single person with half a brain from Verizon has replied.

Verizon you should be ashamed, your customer service is extremely poor and your higher tiered techs are just as bad. If I provided this level of customer service to my customers I would be fired.

WAKE UP and help your customers that keep your business floating. I am almost out of my contract and as soon as I am done I will be taking my business back to Cox, at least I never had these issues in the 10 years I had their service.

/rant


I think perhaps you are a bit confused. This is a peer-to-peer support forum. Posters are fellow end-users like you unless noted as a Verizon Employee via rank and/or avatar.

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JamesCav
Newbie

There is definitely something going on at Verizon's back end.  I've been running a ping test over the past four weeks, and you can clearly see that the issue started about two weeks ago.  

In the charts below, week 00 corresponds to the first week of January.  Look at Week 03 onwards and you'll see the disaster.  All ping tests are from a server in Manhattan.  The problem appears to be concentrated in the East Coast, but it may be more widespread.  I've included ping test reports for other FiOS users as well. 

New York, NY

New York, NY

Needham, MA 

 


Camden, NJ

 


Carnegie, PA

 

 

There's definititely some some oversubscription going on backbone.  The problem seems to be primarily in the East Coast.  I did some investigating and haven't seen these issues on the West Coast. 

Come on Verizon!  You've touted your superior FiOS service, and now this?  Maybe it's for the better.  A few days ago RCN called and offered me a 50/6 package for $30 per month, with no equipment fees or contract.  With the FiOS network going downhill, it makes my decision to switch that much easier. 

 

 

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click4dylan
Contributor - Level 1

You guys make it seem like your routing issues have lasted forever, but us in FL have had pitiful routing and a laggy backbone since it was put in the ground! When other people from FL connect to me in-game they ask me why their ping is so ridiculously high when they're connected to someone who lives less than 100 miles from them. Fix the routing in florida, or at MINIMUM fix the Atlanta backbone because I'm really sick and tired of websites randomly not loading for up to 30 seconds at a time (including verizon.com!), and ping to everything spiking up to 1000+ every couple of seconds for a split second

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smith6612
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@click4dylan wrote:

You guys make it seem like your routing issues have lasted forever, but us in FL have had pitiful routing and a laggy backbone since it was put in the ground! When other people from FL connect to me in-game they ask me why their ping is so ridiculously high when they're connected to someone who lives less than 100 miles from them. Fix the routing in florida, or at MINIMUM fix the Atlanta backbone because I'm really sick and tired of websites randomly not loading for up to 30 seconds at a time (including verizon.com!), and ping to everything spiking up to 1000+ every couple of seconds for a split second


I've unfortunately have complained about the lack of local routing to servers for a while. I'm in the same boat as you but I have to route through New York for everything. Too many eggs in one backet. Meanwhile, it's convenient to go from your local area and take any one of 5 different routes to a nearby server, maybe not always cheap in a network architect view, but it sure cuts down congestion from a common route.

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Bsylvia1
Newbie

What I don't get about this whole situation is that my latency was absolutely fine since I've gotten Verizon, and has also been fine for about 6 months playing on this game (MWO) server. Then in early January my latency triples but only when connecting to this server which as far as I can tell is when I go through the "tinet-gw.customer.alter.net" node. I am able to ping other servers on the other side of the US under 100ms.

Looks like I may have to give Comcast a call to get back some real internet service.

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Johnny_Utah
Enthusiast - Level 3

Guys,

A LOT of reports of the same out here in California and also TX over the last two weeks between 7pm-10:30pm PST.  I dropped from 75-80Mb/s to SEVEN Mb/s.  Upload is unaffected.  Cannot game at all.

I am ready to switch back to cable...I never had problems.  Seems like nobody at Verizon is listening and I have called now 5 times in the last two weeks.

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Darn2
Enthusiast - Level 3

Its funny stumbling upon threads like these because verizon really is not going to do anything about it.  I started complaining about this problem 3 years ago. I'm pretty sure they flagged my account so tech support ignores me now. I can pretty consistently go to pingtest.net and get 100ms+ latency with 10-20ms jitter. You all are crying on deaf ears. Online gaming probably makes up about 10% of their users so they dont really care. I can go to to the same server 3 days in a row and ill get a different ping each time, usually varying degrees of horrible. Here is a pingtest from yesterday:

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and a traceroute

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smith6612
Community Leader
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@Darn wrote:

Its funny stumbling upon threads like these because verizon really is not going to do anything about it.  I started complaining about this problem 3 years ago. I'm pretty sure they flagged my account so tech support ignores me now. I can pretty consistently go to pingtest.net and get 100ms+ latency with 10-20ms jitter. You all are crying on deaf ears. Online gaming probably makes up about 10% of their users so they dont really care. I can go to to the same server 3 days in a row and ill get a different ping each time, usually varying degrees of horrible. Here is a pingtest from yesterday:

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and a traceroute

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Ouch.

To argue to that, I know Verizon routinely touts in their marketing that their service is THE BEST for gaming simply because it's Fiber. I suppose if they wanted to live up to that they would take care to fix the latency and jitter issues. But granted as you've stated, gamers tend to be the unfortunate minority who pay more money than usual for higher capacity service (Of course, more capacity !=faster in some cases) and Verizon also has no motivation to fix it since they are consumer, not business grade circuits.

Anways as to the question as to what sort of pointers can be given, I've got someone currently looking into it and i'm waiting to hear back from them as to what they can find. A quick look by them isn't turning up anything but they'll investigate further on Monday. They were trying to see where I am routing through entirely, however Verizon's system keeps complaining about something and it wants to auto-fix something that will genuinely hose my service up if applied.

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szymiszymi
Newbie

If it stays like this I'm gonna switch my provider. Why should I stick with company that doesn't care at all ?

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click4dylan
Contributor - Level 1

I've had this problem myself ever since FIOS was ever installed back in 2007. I can't connect to any server hosted in the state of Florida because it always routes through georgia. The screenshots below are actually on a particularly good night. It's usually much worse. And alter.net always has ping spikes basically 24/7 and i've even recorded it going up to 1000+ms before. I spent countless hours on the phone dealing with tier 1 support and never receiving call backs. They say it's not their problem since Alter.net is not owned by verizon which it clearly is. Every single connection I make to any server whether it's in antarctica or not will route through alter.net in atlanta, georgia before it goes anywhere else. This adds 30ms to every connection I make.

Here's an example to  a server that should give me less than 5ms latency. It's RIDICULOUS! Not only does it route through tampa and then atlanta first, it then goes back down to MIAMI, and then BACK to tampa! :

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cdegroat82
Newbie

I myself am having the same issues.  Tonight is particularly bad, as I cant even carry a basic voice chat conversation.

Here are some of my traces: 

traceroute to 173.2.198.87 (173.2.198.87), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 10.58.1.1 (10.58.1.1) 1.493 ms 2.177 ms 2.835 ms
2 10.144.1.1 (10.144.1.1) 0.415 ms 0.428 ms 0.411 ms
3 Wireless_Broadband_Router.home (192.168.1.1) 2.142 ms 2.701 ms 4.812 ms
4 L100.NYCMNY-VFTTP-48.verizon-gni.net (71.167.106.1) 11.406 ms 11.358 ms 11.886 ms
5 G0-1-1-3.NYCMNY-LCR-22.verizon-gni.net (130.81.188.72) 13.924 ms 13.605 ms 13.582 ms
6 ae0-0.NY5030-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net (130.81.209.118) 34.274 ms * 20.606 ms
7 0.xe-3-3-0.BR2.NYC4.ALTER.NET (152.63.23.133) 95.534 ms 95.497 ms 95.499 ms
8 204.255.168.90 (204.255.168.90) 13.373 ms 13.368 ms 13.302 ms
9 cr1-te-0-7-3-0.newyork.savvis.net (204.70.224.254) 56.858 ms 56.864 ms 56.850 ms
10 msr1-tengig-0-0-0-0.NewYork.savvis.net (204.70.196.110) 19.184 ms 19.121 ms 21.417 ms
11 cr2-tengig-0-15-2-0.NewYork.savvis.net (204.70.196.113) 91.327 ms 96.139 ms 87.757 ms
12 208.175.101.66 (208.175.101.66) 37.672 ms 37.696 ms 46.210 ms
13 * * *
14 * * *
15 dstswr2-ge3-16.rh.stjmny.cv.net (167.206.39.134) 16.235 ms dstswr1-ge3-16.rh.stjmny.cv.net (167.206.39.130) 90.036 ms 89.664 ms
16 * * *

And a reverse trace from the far end: 

Tracing route to {edited for privacy}
over a maximum of 30 hops:
 
  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  HomePC [192.168.1.1]
  2     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  3     7 ms     5 ms     5 ms  67.59.238.133
  4     8 ms     8 ms     9 ms  rtr4-ge1-9.mhe.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.39.133]
  5    11 ms     9 ms     9 ms  451be0b9.cst.lightpath.net [65.19.99.185]
  6     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  7    10 ms     9 ms     9 ms  xe-9-1-3.edge2.Newark1.Level3.net [4.30.130.237]
 
  8    11 ms     9 ms     9 ms  ae-31-51.ebr1.Newark1.Level3.net [4.69.156.30]
  9    11 ms    10 ms    10 ms  ae-2-2.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.132.97]
 10     9 ms     9 ms     9 ms  ae-4-4.ebr1.NewYork2.Level3.net [4.69.141.18]
 11     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 12    20 ms     *       24 ms  po6-20G.ar6.NYC1.gblx.net [208.51.134.113]
 13    10 ms    12 ms    12 ms  0.ae11.BR2.NYC4.ALTER.NET [204.255.168.189]
 14     *       10 ms    12 ms  0.so-5-0-0.NY5030-BB-RTR2.ALTER.NET [152.63.10.4
6]
 15     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 16    25 ms     *       18 ms  pool-96-232-85-72.nycmny.fios.verizon.net
 
Trace complete.
 
Trace to a different destination:
 

trace silicon.typefrag.com
traceroute to silicon.typefrag.com (74.217.195.66), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 10.58.1.1 (10.58.1.1) 7.625 ms 8.067 ms 8.635 ms
2 10.144.1.1 (10.144.1.1) 0.655 ms 0.674 ms 0.668 ms
3 Wireless_Broadband_Router.home (192.168.1.1) 2.331 ms 2.368 ms 2.350 ms
4 L100.NYCMNY-VFTTP-48.verizon-gni.net (71.167.106.1) 14.061 ms 9.365 ms 9.375 ms
5 G0-1-1-4.NYCMNY-LCR-21.verizon-gni.net (130.81.146.230) 18.201 ms 17.538 ms 20.217 ms
6 130.81.151.228 (130.81.151.228) 95.311 ms 93.620 ms 93.605 ms
7 * * *
8 204.255.168.90 (204.255.168.90) 52.169 ms 48.335 ms 50.653 ms
9 cr1-te-0-7-3-0.newyork.savvis.net (204.70.224.254) 50.066 ms 50.092 ms 50.085 ms
10 cr2-pos0-0-0-0.sanfrancisco.savvis.net (204.70.192.90) 98.690 ms 98.703 ms 98.695 ms
11 er2-xe-3-1-0.SanJoseEquinix.savvis.net (204.70.200.197) 152.797 ms 152.790 ms 152.759 ms
12 er1-te-1-3.SanJoseEquinix.savvis.net (204.70.198.141) 99.004 ms 206.28.98.69 (206.28.98.69) 117.008 ms 117.026 ms
13 208.175.172.10 (208.175.172.10) 139.097 ms 139.104 ms 139.086 ms
14 border1.te7-1-bbnet1.sfo002.pnap.net (63.251.63.1) 105.070 ms * border1.te8-1-bbnet2.sfo002.pnap.net (63.251.63.65) 120.573 ms
15 74.217.195.66 (74.217.195.66) 133.900 ms 103.103 ms 103.169 ms

This problem also seems to come and go.  I also have packet loss pinging some hops directly.  And one my trace from my desktop vs my unix machine, behind the same network.

Tracing route to silicon.typefrag.com [74.217.195.66]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 * * * Request timed out.
2 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 10.144.1.1
3 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
4 7 ms 9 ms 9 ms L100.NYCMNY-VFTTP-48.verizon-gni.net [71.167.106
.1]
5 11 ms 15 ms 14 ms G0-1-1-4.NYCMNY-LCR-21.verizon-gni.net [130.81.1
46.230]
6 35 ms 33 ms 18 ms 130.81.151.228
7 * * 114 ms 0.xe-3-2-0.BR2.NYC4.ALTER.NET [152.63.20.213]
8 49 ms 50 ms 51 ms 204.255.168.90
9 45 ms 48 ms 50 ms cr1-te-0-7-3-0.newyork.savvis.net [204.70.224.25
4]
10 101 ms 95 ms 96 ms cr2-pos0-0-0-0.sanfrancisco.savvis.net [204.70.1
92.90]
11 129 ms 93 ms 92 ms er2-xe-3-1-0.SanJoseEquinix.savvis.net [204.70.2
00.197]
12 102 ms 103 ms 100 ms er1-te-1-4.SanJoseEquinix.savvis.net [204.70.198
.145]
13 136 ms * 118 ms 208.175.172.10
14 97 ms 99 ms 116 ms border1.te7-1-bbnet1.sfo002.pnap.net [63.251.63.
1]
15 * 131 ms 129 ms 74.217.195.66

Trace complete.

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gmanhq
Newbie

Just found this forum thread. Same problem I just posted about here:

http://forums.verizon.com/t5/FiOS-Internet/Many-websites-load-painfully-slow/td-p/536875

I did tweet verizonsupport today to for whatever that is worth.

Looks like, for me at least, it could be a level3.net problem but still..our provider ( verizon) should be helping it's paying customers!

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thor11
Enthusiast - Level 1

Anyone get an answer on:

  8   173 ms   129 ms   128 ms  tinet-gw.customer.alter.net [152.179.72.122]
 

This hop is always the slowest on my tracert.  Before January 2013 there was no 173-128 ms problem.  It was more like 50ms.

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chzoom
Enthusiast - Level 3

You know what the best part about this issue is? We are months into this thread, nearly 80 posts in with reports for several different games, from several different regions of the country and yet not a single person with half a brain from Verizon has replied.

Verizon you should be ashamed, your customer service is extremely poor and your higher tiered techs are just as bad. If I provided this level of customer service to my customers I would be fired.

WAKE UP and help your customers that keep your business floating. I am almost out of my contract and as soon as I am done I will be taking my business back to Cox, at least I never had these issues in the 10 years I had their service.

/rant

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dslr595148
Community Leader
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@chzoom wrote:

You know what the best part about this issue is? We are months into this thread, nearly 80 posts in with reports for several different games, from several different regions of the country and yet not a single person with half a brain from Verizon has replied.

Verizon you should be ashamed, your customer service is extremely poor and your higher tiered techs are just as bad. If I provided this level of customer service to my customers I would be fired.

WAKE UP and help your customers that keep your business floating. I am almost out of my contract and as soon as I am done I will be taking my business back to Cox, at least I never had these issues in the 10 years I had their service.

/rant


I think perhaps you are a bit confused. This is a peer-to-peer support forum. Posters are fellow end-users like you unless noted as a Verizon Employee via rank and/or avatar.

LawrenceC
Moderator Emeritus

As this thread is now over two years old, it will be locked in order to keep discussions current. If you have the same or a similar question/issue we invite you to start a new thread on the topic.

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