I'd like to upgrade our FIOS plan, but I'm reluctant if Verizon can't provide a Wireless N solution (why purchase an upgrade if none of my devices can use it?) It's disappointing to me that there STILL isn't a Wireless N router/FIOS Modem that Verizon officially supports.
I've read that there are problems using VPN when using the older Wireless G ActionTec routers as a bridge in conjunction with Wireless N routers, so this is not a viable solution for me.
Does anyone know when Verizon will finally enter the modern age and offer a Wireless N router compatabile with their FIOS product?
I am not aware of any plans for Fios to change to a router that has N.
The G routers are more then capable of handling the max speed you can get on Fios. You can plug in any other router to work as a wireless access point if you want higher speeds amongst your devices but it will have no impact on your internet connection.
http://www.dslreports.com/faq/verizonfios/3.0_Networking
There are a lot of people using non-Verizon routers and having no issues with VPN.
The plain and simple answer is that Verizon will not be providing an N class router anytime in the foreseeable future.
As said above, G routers will handle the speeds of the Fios with no issues. And Verizon never has and never will support internal networking. And since N class routers will only make a difference for internal networking, it will not be something that they are even going to consider. The Fastest Fios speed anywhere for residential is the 50Mbps (and only in one small area of NY), everywhere else the fastest fios is 35Mbps. The G router is capable of 100Mbps. Therefore the internet is the choke point, not the router.
I thought verizon was going to use this wireless N router?
http://www.actiontec.com/support/product_details.php?pid=213&typ=all
Spacedebris, if you connect on the wire then yes you will connect at 100 meg. If you connect via wireless than the fastest connection speed will be 54meg. Additionally due to the overhead associated with wireless you will never see 54 meg but rather 20-25 meg with ideal conditions (no interference).
I will agree with you that someone who puts in an 802.11N router will NOT see any difference in their internet speed. Buying an 802.11N router or AP is a complete waste of money right now, no matter who your internet provider is.
Not really, if you would like faster local transfer speeds it would definitely be the way to go.
If you live in a small relatively new house a B or G router is OK...
If you live on the EAST COAST where often houses are older and made of stone or brick and have physical fire walls, then you NEED an N router....
You will also have problems with cordless phones... Ones you purchase with 4 extensions... It's LOGICAL that if you need 4 extensions you may have some GROUND to cover in your house.
I live in a 3 story LARGE house and all of this technology is a PROBLEM when it comes to range within your home... FRUSTRATING!!!
Unfortunately Wireless N in itself won't fix a signal issue and will if set up wrong, make a bad signal worse. You'll find improvements from better radios, placement and antenna designs. My old Wireless G router for example had great antennas and a great radio, and was capable of pushing 60Mbps with some priorietary methods (108Mbps double wide link). It was capable of covering a quarter of my neighborhood due to sensitivity and it's location.
If you're seeing signal issues, consider placement. If you have three stories to cover and your router is sitting in the basement, there's half of the issue. Signals do not move up, diagonally and down as well as from side to side with Omnidirectional antennas. If you have to have a router in the basement, consider setting up an access point on the top-most floor or consider a high gain directional antenna for your access point.
Wireless G has a theoretical maximum speed of 54 mbps (mega bits per second). That is 6.75 MegaBytes per second. However, realistic speeds are closer to 1 megabyte a second, which is what I get on my verizon router using G mode. This is typical of WiFi G for all routers, and is equivelant to 8mbps (megabit per second).
This is much less then the max minimum speed that verizon offers. Even cheaper plans can easily get 25mbps, and some get 50mbps or more.
You should also note that it cripples file transfer speeds on the local area network between computers you own. With wireless G you cannot stream an HD movie, with wireless N you can.
Finally, routers tend to be under powered. They often use vastly overclocked and undercooled chips that die rather quickly. And before dying provide a litany of errors and defects.
Under utilizing your router is one of the best ways to enjoy it longer. So owning a router that far exceeds your capability is a good thing. I had to downgrade from http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=530 which I bought about 2 years ago to the verizon wireless G router. I use an 8 port gigabyte switch with it. It would be great if verizon actually provided us with a modern router
Hi all,
I want to ask if anyone uses the N router as described in this blog, with another one attached (Linksys) as a way point because the Verizon is needed for the TV info.
I would like the better routers from Actiontec that has a usb port so I can host another printer from the router. I get full 54mb on my g router. N should be faster.
looking for input from others............
thanks................
Taz1956
@Taz1956 wrote:I want to ask if anyone uses the N router as described in this blog, with another one attached (Linksys) as a way point because the Verizon is needed for the TV info.
Which "N router" are you referring to. Verizon's? Or a third party N router?
VZ currently has 2 N routers. The rev. F which is draft 802.11n only (single radio, no mimo, no 5Ghz, no40Mhz channels) and the rev. G which is 802.11n-2009 compliant, but is only avaiable to customers with 150/35 service.
Many users have used third-part N routers with VZ routers. There are a number of ways to do so without losing guide data, VOD, etc. If the VZ router is not primary then you will lose on-screen caller-id and remote DVR. See the following FAQ for considerations for various configurations: What are the tradeoffs between the various router configurations
@Taz1956 wrote:
I would like the better routers from Actiontec that has a usb port so I can host another printer from the router.The USB port on the Actiontec is not active, except to charge a cell phone.
@Taz1956 wrote:
I get full 54mb on my g router.
You may be getting a link rate of 54Mbps, but your throughput is likely to be 20-25Mbps.
Link rate and actual throughput are not the same thing.
wireless n routers are now on the street. but they just BARELY got released. like 2 weeks ago.
I asked Verizon Tech Support why my new IPAD only works in certain rooms in my house. THey told me that Verizon has a G router and this is a common complaint. They will be coming out with an N router soon. I asked when, but the rep was not sure. He said the N router will have at least 10X the range and will the solve this common problem we Verizon customers are experiencing. A friend our our who lives about 15 miles away is a COX customer. He said when Cox upgraded to the N router, COX replaced all the routers with the N router free of charge. I am very much looking forward to the N router and I hope there will be no charge from Verizon. Our friend (The Cox customer) raves about the features they have with their plans and the great service.
Geez, it's not that hard people. If you require wireless N for networking (e.g. laptops, iPads, etc.) then just purchase and install a 802.11N WAP. You can find them online from reputable distributors for as low as $40. Simply disable the WiFi on the Verizon Router, plug the new WAP into one of the LAN ports on the router, configure appropriately, and viola . . . you now have 802.11N wireless connectivity.
Giant ISP can't keep up with the rest of the internet!!!!
The wireless G can't keep up with Fios and its range is horrible.
Also waiting for gigabit ethernet.
Can't believe that Fios is crippling business and power users with wireless G and 10/100 ethernet.
Someone give Verizon purchasing and engineering a wake up call!!!
@donutz28 wrote:Giant ISP can't keep up with the rest of the internet!!!!
The wireless G can't keep up with Fios and its range is horrible.
Also waiting for gigabit ethernet.
Can't believe that Fios is crippling business and power users with wireless G and 10/100 ethernet.
Someone give Verizon purchasing and engineering a wake up call!!!
My fios isn't crippled. The Westell 9100em router that Verizon gave me can handle my fios package 25/25 with no problem when I'm connected using the 100mb ethernet connections on it, admittedly if I went to 50/50 that might be an issue but as Verizon are now using Actiontec rev F routers that have gigabit ports and also are wireless N then I would expect to get a new router at that point. I don't bother using the wireless on the Westell as I agree it's range sucks, in addition wireless security is questionable and the house is wired with gigabit capable wire anyway. For internal networking between my own machines I added my own gigabit and wireless n router- wouldn't really expect Verizon to go the expense of speeding up my internal network.
If you contact verizon tech support you can get the ethernet port on your ONT activated and then connect your own gigabit router to that but it will not affect your internet access speeds until Verizon improves their speed offerings.
But, if I use my own router with the enabled ONT etherent port, my guide, VOD, STB callerID, MRDVR,...... won't work. The Verizon router is required for those features and I don't think that I should have to piggyback router to get something that should be provided with the service.
@donutz28 wrote:But, if I use my own router with the enabled ONT etherent port, my guide, VOD, STB callerID, MRDVR,...... won't work.
That is odd, did you see http://www.dslreports.com/faq/16077 ?
@donutz28 wrote:But, if I use my own router with the enabled ONT etherent port, my guide, VOD, STB callerID, MRDVR,...... won't work. The Verizon router is required for those features and I don't think that I should have to piggyback router to get something that should be provided with the service.
Just leave the VZ router connected by coax and do all your networking stuff on your router.
VZ did provide a router that does everything that the service is capable off, you're just looking for the extra that your internal machines can use but won't make any difference to the service.
Verizon has Routers that support Wireless N, my friend got new service and his router supports it.
I asked them for one and they said sent me the same as I haver, my friend GOT NEW service and they gave him release version G I think it is.
Mine is F I think. Verizon SHOULD ALLOW US to get the N routers if we want, we PAY ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jay
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