want to use my own wifi router
merk3
Enthusiast - Level 3

What would i need to do to make the current verizon wifi router as dumb as possible? I want to use my own router as I already have everything configured on it the way I want. I just want the verizon router to give me an internet connection and not do anything else at all. 

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logan81
Contributor - Level 3

If you really wanted to you could run an ethernet cable from the ONT (white box where the COAX is plugged in) to your wifi router, thus bypassing the Verizon router completely. You would just need to call technical support and ask them to switch the data port from coax to ethernet. Typically they can do this remotely without send a tech out, it would just be up to you to install the ethernet cable. Just a thought, otherwise you can do the bridge setup.

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skasol
Enthusiast - Level 2
I gave up on using the asus. The gateway seemed to give me better coverage and speed so selling my asus. It's been nothing but headaches. I will never again buy another asus routers. My old net gear seems to outperform this $279 router. Thank you all for your help. So I kept the ONT o Ethernet since eventually I will pick up the r8000 and try that instead.
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webdevii1
Enthusiast - Level 3

Also what is the scoop on the new Netgear R8000?  I have heard bits and pieces about it but did not know it was being released!  I am a staunch believer in both Netgear and ASUS,  I have 2 or 3 R6300 v2's just sitting in a box

anyhows ttyl

Thanks again

Rob

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skasol
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skasol
Enthusiast - Level 2
I am
Using the gateway as I wanted to rule out any issues.
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CaptainSTX
Contributor - Level 3

You then need to do some basic testing to isolate where your problem(s) are.

DO NOT START OFF BY RUNNING SPPED TESTS ON THE INTERNET USING WiFi.

1.   Using hardwired Ethernet connections run WAN speedtests.  (There are free untilities to do this.)

2.  Then run the WAN speedtests first with one end using WiFi then both ends using WiFi.   If  your router has both 2.4 Ghz and  5 Ghz test using both bands.   Do the tests in several locations within your home starting in the same room that your router is located in.

3.  Then run speedtests using the Ethernet first connected directly to the router using Ethernet cables and then using WiFi connections.

With the data you have collected you will have a better idea where the problems are and if necessary others on this site can make suggestions on what can be done to resolve the issues.

skasol
Enthusiast - Level 2
Thank you. So I went to check the ONT and saw that there was an Ethernet cable there already hooked up. I had support over the phone yesterday and they had asked me if I had already ran Ethernet cable from the ONT and I wasn't sure so I told him not to do anything. I checked what I think it's the ONT and realize that there was already Ethernet plugged in there. I open the door that said customer access and checked and Ethernet is already hooked up there under the Ethernet label port. I just have to see where that ethernet cable runs to which I assume it will be one coming out of the wall to the verizon quantum router. I am so mad at myself because I asked technician if I could use my own router and they said no so I almost sold my Asus router. So glad to hear there's a possibility. So is the Ethernet cable that is there the cable that needs to be plugged to my wan port on my asus router? Release IP from the verizon and call tech support to have them convert my ONT from mocha to Ethernet
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skasol
Enthusiast - Level 2
Once I get ONT from mocha to Ethernet I need to run cat 6 cable to the house. My ont is currently in the garage and connects to the Verizon gateway quantum. My question I guess would be how do I keep the TV service not verizon set top boxes but tivos that use the cable cards running. They need to have coaxial hooked up to them which I assume it comes from the ONT. Would switching from mocha to the Ethernet disable this? I started a new thread as I saw this was an old one and it was deleted and was told to read the reply on this one.
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skasol
Enthusiast - Level 2
This sounds extremely complicated. But thank you for putting all that together for me. So there is a way for me to use my own router then? Are there any downsides to me using my own router. I am planning on getting a newer TiVo a roamio plus for my tv not sure If me switching to Ethernet from mocha will work. So in other words If I use my own router I wouldn't need their box quantum router that was given to me? Does that router not need to be hooked up for TV? I am so confused. I used to have time warner and it was modem to router and that was it.
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gs0b
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Community Leader

You might want to start a new thread.  Adding on to old threads like this means your posts don't get seen by many folks due to the way this forum's software works (or doesn't work...).

If you have Verizon set-top-boxes, you need a Verizon router to provide them with a link to the internet so they can get guide data, VOD streams and other configuration information.  It is difficult if not impossible to provide these links without a Verizon router.  If you don't have any Verizon set-top-boxes or use any advanced Verizon TV services such as VOD, you shouldn't need their router.

You can use any router you want.  Verizon will not provide any support if you don't use their router.  This includes any issues that may appear to be unrelated to a router; they will insist on the installation of a Verizon router and removal of any non-Verizon routers before working on any issues.  If you use a non-Verizon router, keep a Verizon router handy in case you need Verizon support.

Switching the ONT from MoCA WAN to Ethernet WAN is easy.  Just call or chat with Verizon support and they should do it for you while you wait.  No tech visit required.  Of course, you're responsible for handling the wiring changes.

This FAQ will help  you understand your options:

http://www.dslreports.com/faq/16077

If you have further questions, please start a new thread.

Enjoy.

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jumpin68ny
Master - Level 2

Have you tried performing a search on these forums?  There have been plenty of previous posters that have asked the same question and recieved successful answers.

Jim

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webdevii1
Enthusiast - Level 3

Ok there is 2 ways to do this, I will explain in brief the reasons and issues first:

1. Verizon uses what they call MoCA or Media over CoAx Cable.  hence the TV and Internet come thru the coax or MoCA port on the ONT or Optical Network Terminal (Its that big white box that Verizon installs when they put in your service)

2. You may have noticed just adjacent to that MoCA connector you will see an RJ45 (Ethernet Port)  Well by default that port is turned off by Verizon.   Now if you can find a "cool" Tech that will provision that port to be on you will be in business.  Legally there is no charge to activate it, Legally there are no Tarrif restrictions by Verizon or the PUC to not turn that RC45 port on. So that is the route I took,

3. There is another route that is a weak and sloppy solution to get Ethernet over Ethernet, and that is use a MoCA to Ethernet converter.  They are expensive and usually do not work well. 

The summary to my story is, i would start at the Tech support number and escalate up to Tier 3 Suport because that is the level that is authorized to do the conversion, You will prolly have to go thru the business office since it s a Records / Service change.  I got lucky and found a Director of Operations in Dallas Tx. and he did it for me.  I run the ASUS RT-87U Router that runs on Merlin Firmware.  I have not had one problem at all.  Now your prolly thinking what about my TV since normally the Verizon Craption-Tec Router in theory runs the internet and television.  Well that ole' Craption-tec Verizon router you just leave connected up to the MoCA coax connector on your ONT and that is that.  if you do not have Television Service with Verizon you can eliminate the Craption-Tec Verizon router all together.

I am running  like I said the ASUS RT-87U on 100Mps / 100Mps service Verizon brings gigabit service to the ONT, so your speeds are wildly insane,  you can run Network Attached Storage Servers on port 8080 and verison is none the wiser, as they are charging $100.00 and to convert to business service to turn on Port 80 and Port 21 which are the defaults for Web Servers and FTP servers.  again another easy one to work around using your high end router's port forwarding service.  I run a DLNA media server, File server, Website, amongst other stuff all thru Verizon and they have never yet inquired as to the heavy hitter data user that I am.  Soo with that said Good Luck

Latez

Dev

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JOSEm441
Specialist - Level 2

Merk, This  link explains the procedure very well. http://www.dbuggr.com/smallwei/verizon-fios-actiontec-router-mi424-wr-bridge/ Please let us know the results, I too am interested in doing this soon

merk3
Enthusiast - Level 3

Thanks, I'll try this when I get home later today and let you know if it works.

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logan81
Contributor - Level 3
You could go through the steps to make it a bridge, or you could just setup your router in lan with ours. much easier.
merk3
Enthusiast - Level 3

what's the difference between making it a bridge or setting it up in LAN with the verizon router? Would i just be using the verizon router for DHCP and my router for everything else?

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logan81
Contributor - Level 3

Yes. The only problem I can see with using the verizon router rather than bridging is if you have certain port forwarding settings that you need to use for certian applications. You could always log into the verizon router and configure those if need be. If you are just looking for a simple setup just plug your router in lan with the verizon router and it should work just fine. If you have problems with wifi interference then you may want to disable the wifi on the verizon router. 

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merk3
Enthusiast - Level 3

I think i'll go with bridge mode since I do have port forwarding and a few other things set up on the router.  Easier for me to just disable everything on the verizon router then having to copy over all my rules.

Thanks

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Anti-Phish1
Master - Level 1

Do you have FIOS-TV?  You didn't say. 

If you have FIOS-TV, you need to keep the Actiontec in the mix to provide guide data and VOD for your STBs.

How is you Actiontec connected to the ONT?  coax ot cat5?  Again, you didn;t say.

There are a number of possible different configuration for running your own router with or without the Actiontec.

What are the tradeoffs between the various router configurations

The link that JOSEM441 provided is only a single bridge and will only work for internet.  It will not work FIOS-TV.

merk3
Enthusiast - Level 3

I do not have fios tv. I considered getting it but their website indicates their dvr only has 20 hours of hd storage so I didn't bother getting their tv service.

What is an ONT? I believe the answer to your question though is coax as there is a coax cable connected to the back of the verizon router - the only cat cable is connecting to the computers.

I didn't get a chance to try changing any of the settings on the router last night - got home late and didn't feel like messing around it. I'll try to do it tonight or over the weekend.

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viafax999
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Community Leader

@merk wrote:

I do not have fios tv. I considered getting it but their website indicates their dvr only has 20 hours of hd storage so I didn't bother getting their tv service.

What is an ONT? I believe the answer to your question though is coax as there is a coax cable connected to the back of the verizon router - the only cat cable is connecting to the computers.

I didn't get a chance to try changing any of the settings on the router last night - got home late and didn't feel like messing around it. I'll try to do it tonight or over the weekend.


In that case just scrap the Zerizon router and put your own in it's place.  Howver by default your VZ router is probably connectedv via coax(( MOCA).  request to Verizon to change your provisioning to ethernet and then connect your roter directly by it wan port to the ont's ethernet connetcion.  The ont is the verixon connection device at your house that has a coax connection, an ethernet connection and several telephone connections - depends on your home interface type