Gingerbread leak 2.11.605
kzerefos
Enthusiast - Level 3

Just figured I'd provide a little simple feedback since I've tried this leak.  Data connections have been very stable with minimal data drops and I have definitely notice an improvement in battery life.  I still have the voicemail notification bug since it's a leak, and the force closing camera which I workaround by doing the date change method.  I believe from what I read that the force close on the camera was a built in time bomb since it was a software leak for developers.  No real complaints other than force close on gtalk which I believe was also a self destruct  built into the leaked software as it only started doing that recently.  So, I do feel a bit more reassured that the final build should be smooth (fingers crossed that a Sense update is included).

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Wildman
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Please tell me you did not just post about unarthorized software again on service perviders forum? :smileysurprised:  You do realize just using the software could void your warrenty and I just dont get why you would announce this...

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kzerefos
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Wildman, although your point is a valid one, I was backed into a corner because of the issues I was having with my phone.  The warranty isn't my concern.  I am simply providing feedback to the many thunderbolt owners who are experiencing issues with their phones.  This was posted to reassure some of the frustrated owners that we are very close to resolution in several areas.  If my post helps others and voids my warranty, then so be it, it is a chance I am willing to take.  Not to mention that my phone is not rooted, I am simply running a leaked build.  Either way, I will choose to provide peace of mind to the masses over my warranty if that's the position I have to be put in by VZW. 

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Wildman
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I understand your point but I am starting to get concerned on the number of users posting about using unauthorized software and giving other users the impression that installing this is normal and acceptable practice.. I also understand you do not have to be rooted but still if you experiance issues with device you can not return the device to verizon for service with this software installed.

 

I am just trying to clarify the risk that goes with using this software and the ideal of posting on the service perviders site is kind of like robbing a bank and getting away and then go to a police station lobby and tell the police that you did this..

 

Dont get me wrong I love the developing community but you are not the only one at risk sometimes, this is what gets a number of  developers the SAD (Cease and desist) letters...

 

This is just information to consider...

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Morkai
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Wildman wrote:

"normal and acceptable practice"

 

I am just trying to clarify the risk that goes with using this software and the ideal of posting on the service providers site is kind of like robbing a bank and getting away and then go to a police station lobby and tell the police that you did this..

 



No, you will not tell me and I hope anyone else what "acceptable use" of MY device is. Considering that new HTC devices will be coming with unlocked bootloaders, Verizon better get used to this fast.

 

If I am not mistaken provisions for warranty issues were already covered for this as well; I believe the warranty considerations for an unlocked bootloader specifically mention that if the phone was returned in stock operating condition custom roms etc would not void the warranty. There is more to this I believe, but I am not going to take 30 minutes to research it for this post.

 

As for your other remark, this is NOTHING like robbing a bank or committing ANY other crime, it is completely legal for me to reprogram my phone any way I wish (cloaning the ESN aside). Please do not associate us with criminals again.

 

 

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Wildman
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Let me make something clear, I am not against modifying your device, I am a developer so this isn't the problem here, the problem is how so many think that they can come to a Service Providers site and discuss unauthorized software where the rules speak against this... 
If you choose to use this on your device that is fine and your choice but when you speak about a update on a site with some users doesnt have access to it can cause issue because the users will find it and install it and not understand that once its installed they can not return it to Verizon if they have issues.
Users has been posting here lately about how to restore their device after using unauthorized software and this is because they received info about it from here but didn't realize that Verizon didn't supply it so they also dont support it.

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No, you will not tell me and I hope anyone else what "acceptable use" of MY device is. Considering that new HTC devices will be coming with unlocked bootloaders, Verizon better get used to this fast.

 

If I am not mistaken provisions for warranty issues were already covered for this as well; I believe the warranty considerations for an unlocked bootloader specifically mention that if the phone was returned in stock operating condition custom roms etc would not void the warranty. There is more to this I believe, but I am not going to take 30 minutes to research it for this post.

 

As for your other remark, this is NOTHING like robbing a bank or committing ANY other crime, it is completely legal for me to reprogram my phone any way I wish (cloaning the ESN aside). Please do not associate us with criminals again.

 

 


Unlock Bootloader is intended for developers and ever on their support to get the software update to unlock the bootloader HTC warns that is voids the warrenty..

 

We strongly suggest that you do not unlock the bootloader unless you are confident that you understand the risks involved. This is a technical procedure and the side effects could possibly necessitate repairs to your device not covered under warranty. If you are still interested in unlocking the bootloader, and you understand the consequences both to your device and to your warranty, then you may refer to the following pages where we have provided the unlocking instructions.

 

It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty. Please note that unlocking your bootloader does not mean that you will be able to unlock the SIM lock. Unlocking your SIM lock is at the discretion of your operator/carrier and is not part of the bootloader unlocking scope.

 

Source:  http://htcdev.com/bootloader

 

 

Also my only point is you are on the Service Providers site reporting that you breached your agreement and you also need to understand that this can also have your service discontinued.

 


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Just using it does NOT void your warranty regardless of what some like to think.  There's no red flag that pops up in Verizon's system once you install a non-"official" rom.  That said, whether it's informative or not, this probably isn't the best place to discuss it.  It'd be nice if Verizon embraced the development community but that's wishful thinking.


 This is true but heres something to think of, this is their site and Admins and employee from the company monitor the site...  This is their red flag, you tell them..

 


AZSALUKI wrote

admitedly, i don't pay that much attention to my contract and the fine print, but how is an unofficial rom any different than a third party app (particularly ones like swype, that aren't even available in the market)? again, i'm no expert, but does installing swype void the warranty? if not, why not and why would an unofficial rom? technically, can't nearly ANYTHING you load void the warranty?

 The diffrence is that Verizon support does not have methods of restoring the device to stock from a unofficial build of the OS and Motorola usually has to restore the device because without root access you can not revert to a older build, when you install swype you can simply uninstall it or hard reset device.

 

I would say this is a big diffrence.

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Wildman
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 The diffrence is that Verizon support does not have methods of restoring the device to stock from a unofficial build of the OS and Motorola usually has to restore the device because without root access you can not revert to a older build, when you install swype you can simply uninstall it or hard reset device.

 

I would say this is a big diffrence.


:smileysurprised: I meant HTC not Motorola or any manufacturer in that opinion...  :smileywink::smileyvery-happy:

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AZSALUKI
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i suppose that makes "sense"

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PJNC284
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Wildman wrote:

You do realize just using the software could void your warrenty and I just dont get why you would announce this...



Just using it does NOT void your warranty regardless of what some like to think.  There's no red flag that pops up in Verizon's system once you install a non-"official" rom.  That said, whether it's informative or not, this probably isn't the best place to discuss it.  It'd be nice if Verizon embraced the development community but that's wishful thinking.

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AZSALUKI
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Wildman wrote:

Please tell me you did not just post about unarthorized software again on service perviders forum? :smileysurprised:  You do realize just using the software could void your warrenty and I just dont get why you would announce this...


admitedly, i don't pay that much attention to my contract and the fine print, but how is an unofficial rom any different than a third party app (particularly ones like swype, that aren't even available in the market)? again, i'm no expert, but does installing swype void the warranty? if not, why not and why would an unofficial rom? technically, can't nearly ANYTHING you load void the warranty?

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Lt-Belspur
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HTC Sense is on 2.1 on the 2.11.605.0.

 

With Ice Cream Sandwich just around the corner, how long is that going to take to get a official Verizon version.

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kzerefos
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This post was meant to help reassure tbolt owners that relief from quite a bit of their frustration is around the corner in the form of the GB update. I know a lot of people have had issues so I felt providing personal feedback would be helpful. Nowhere in my post did I suggest anyone download anything. I even pointed out the bugs in the leak. Again, if I am forced to sacrifice my warranty, SO BE IT. If anyone has better peace of mind knowing that GB does, in fact, make a difference in battery life and data connectivity then great. To compare me to a criminal is just absurd. I ran the GB leak on MY thunderbolt because I could not tolerate it anymore. I was trying to help and rekindle some of the excitement we had to be thunderbolt owners.
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DroidM
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Not trying to add to the argument or anything but on these fourms we have seen countless stories of people strugling with there phones. Data drops. Text meseging bugs, constant reboots, and other problems that would lead one to belev that ther are a few Tbolts out ther that are defective in one way or another. With this said if you drop the phone and it breaks the warenty dose not cover you, if it gets wet and stops working the warenty dose nto cover this. The above mentioned problems are not covered under the warenty as well. Ive been wondering this for a bit now WHAT DOSE the Warenty cover?? Best I can tell its nearly imposable to make a clame on the warenty for this or any phone out there. Im persoanly not a fan of rooting only because if soemthing dose go wrong Im with out a phone untll I can work around fixing it. If I had a secondary phone to fidel with then Id probaly be more open to it. When it comes to the warenty thou I think many people are not all that concerned, because what exactly is it protecting us from??

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PJNC284
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The add-on TEP covers loss, theft or physical damage and carries a deductible while the normal warranty just covers manufacturer's defects for hardware and software with no deductible.  For myself, the warranty is the furtherest thing from my mind.  I bought Android for the development community to make the phone what I want an not what Verizon thinks.  I certainly don't look to Verizon when I have an issue unless it's something major in which case I restore back to stock which is possible in most cases and see if the problem persists.  I don't overclock or stress the hardware beyond it's intended capabilities so any problem would likely be there regardless of whether or not I'm running "official" software.  It's definitely not for everyone, but the whole warranty dilemma really shouldn't be a deciding factor. 

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DroidM
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PJNC284 wrote:

The add-on TEP covers loss, theft or physical damage and carries a deductible while the normal warranty just covers manufacturer's defects for hardware and software with no deductible.  For myself, the warranty is the furtherest thing from my mind.  I bought Android for the development community to make the phone what I want an not what Verizon thinks.  I certainly don't look to Verizon when I have an issue unless it's something major in which case I restore back to stock which is possible in most cases and see if the problem persists.  I don't overclock or stress the hardware beyond it's intended capabilities so any problem would likely be there regardless of whether or not I'm running "official" software.  It's definitely not for everyone, but the whole warranty dilemma really shouldn't be a deciding factor. 



I Guess this is the point i was geting to. If the normal Warenty covers Manufacturers defects, for the hard ware 9liek a faulty data recever (bouncing from 3G to 4G consistantly poor phone signal) and software like a bad OTA update that cause your phoen to constantly reboot amoung other problems. Why is VZW only response to this is offering a USED REFURBISHED replacement of the phone that is not working and when several phones have been swaped out they refuse to do anything more. Im shore the warenty it's self states that if ther is a problem with the phone the warenty gurentees us a replacement phone that may (normaly always) be a refurbished phoen. I also will bet my last dollar that it stats that VZW will do everything in resonable to solve the problem. I point this out becaus (if this is true (Ive never read the warenty my self) If all they have been willing to do is swap defected phoens for refubished phoens and in cases wher that dose not solve the problem expcialy in cases wher several refubished phoens have been exchanged, have they realy done everything resonably posable?? My point is after 2 or 3 and in some case more refubished phones I think its resonable as the consumer to expect VZW to replace the phoen with a new one or a diferent phone of equal value (Or pay the difrence of a more expensive phone) I dont' know but for thouse of you whohave gone threw this and have thought hmmm I wonder if ther is a leagal recours, this coudl or coudl not be the angel to look at.

 

With all that said to me VZW dose not try to live up fully to the Warenty as it is so realy if you know what your geting into I dont' see the harm in it. Also if you own the phone then it's your choice what to do with it, if you install a bad ROM that frys the phoen it's on you and you know it, and VZW shoudl not have to pay to fix the problem.

 

I will say this to every budy that comes on hear and sugest ROOTING to the peopel of this fourm be straight forward about it let peopel know the Up side as well as the down side I think thats realy the root of this. Do't just say I rooted my phone or what not and it works great be responsibale with the knowledge you have and let peopel knwo iof they folow suit there are down sides to it as well.

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