It's called 'Conversion' BitBop, Blockbuster, lets Golf, and other bloat ware

[SkyyDogg]

Hey VZW:

Here is the deal.  I have been reading multiple posts about how to remove some of the pre-loaded applications.  BitBop, Blockbuster, Let's Golf, and other bloat ware.  Essentially you have committed the legal theory of 'Conversion' by not allowing a customer to remove these applications. 

You should get your silly act together or you will find your self in another class action law suit.  To force a person to keep these and other applications is equal to selling somebody a car and telling them if they change the car radio or even remove the car radio it voids the warranty.  

Since the car radio isn't essential to the safety and functioning of the car it's a non-essential piece of equipment.  Since I am reasonably certain 'Let's Golf' isn't required to make the phone function as a phone it falls into the same category.  

By not allowing the customer to remove non-essential applications you have "Converted" that functionality or ability to function.  It's further going to be a problem for you when you DO allow a customer to download and install new launchers.  Which are an essential piece of functionality for the phone.  

Kindly cease and desist from the practice of conversion and put out a new updated that will enable people to remove unwanted pre-installed applications.  

Don't reply back with "These are a legally binding agreement between Verizon and developers."  Because apparently there are quit a few people who have paid full price for their phones and still can't get rid of them, like me.  Please don't reply back with, "We at Verizon deem these as necessary to the functionality of the phone."  In what realm of reality can you tell me I need, "Let's Golf?"  Please don't reply back with,  "These only take up limited space."  It's clear by my review of these many and previous posts that the space utilized by your forced bloatware is significant and it's there that my assertion of "Conversion" exists.  You (Verizon) have converted the promised available space to your own advertising benefit at the cost of your customers. 

[Elitist_Jerk]

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RobB772 wrote:

t manufacturers will also give the option to uninstall these unnecessary, unwanted, resource using apps.

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what?

[RobB772]

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Elitist_Jerk wrote:

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RobB772 wrote:

t manufacturers will also give the option to uninstall these unnecessary, unwanted, resource using apps.

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what?

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Not sure if you don't understand the definition of resource (It means: Aggregate of available hardware) or you don't believe Carriers will provide a method to uninstall bloatware without root http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=15497

If its just you can't read perhaps you should ask for your (or your parents) money back from the school you attended that so poorly addressed your lack of comprehension skills. Either that or if you're attempting to misquote my post, maybe you should become a political analyst

[Wildman]

That is a refreshing post but I will have to wait to see how lomg that pratice will work or be accepted by other carriers...

[DroidM]

What realy bugs me about these APs that are pre instaled or come with updates is there are other APs that I prefer to use rather then the onese forced on the Phone. A Few examples the Amazon Kindel AP is preinstaled on the T-Bolt this is great unles like me you prefer to use Google Books because of this I am forced to keep two E-Book APs on my phone. I prefer Pandora over Slacker again Im forced to keep 2 Internet Radio APs on my phone because one of them came pre instaled. Blockbuster wich is an AP that has lousey reviews on the Market buy the way Is also preinstaled I prefer Netflix, as well as HBOGO and will proably DL HULU+ at some point but Im stuck with Blockbuster even thou i have at least 2 other APS that do what it is offering but that i prefer.

Also The BITBOP AP if you can call it that on the phone is nothing more then a promotional video offering you to DL the AP, this is fine but after looking at it why can't I get rid of it?? It's useles to me other wise. Rockband can't even be used with out DL from a third Party market wich I have no inclination to do so let me get rid of it then.  The VZW Aps that came with the last Update I will not use any of them so let me get ride of them.

I get that they make $$ by preinstalling them on the phone but there are other options and we are foced to keep these APS on the phone even after making the decision NOT to use them. Advertiseing is one thing but you can ignore ADs in the papper, or Billboards as you drive if your not intrested iin the product. You can change the chanel or FF threw Comercials on the TV. These AP's are forced exposier and more importantly they are Unwanted meerchandise on a device that YOU OWN. This woudl be the same as Pepsi coming into your house and loading your fridge with Pepsi. This is great if you like Pepsi but if you do not then what?? THEN Pepsi tells you you can not remove the Soda until you consume it(Use it) and after that they will add more. You are welcome to buy other products but they will always take up a finite amount of space in your fridge for there product that you do not want or use, and if you get rid of it the Warenty on your Frideg will be voided.

Yes i know the example is a stretch but thats basicaly what is happening hear. BLOAT wear realy dose not bug me so much but it is anoying and it DOSE take up space and more importantly if we OWN the phone then we shoudl have the right to decided what we keep oin it. If we don't want the preinstaled APs then after a pre determened (Resonable) time we shoudl be alowed to remove them. Like I said in another post there HAS TO BE a compromise hear soemthing fair to Us the OWNERS of the phone and the people that sell them.

[RobB772]

THERE IS NO WAY TO REMOVE PRE-INSTALLED APPS (BLOATWARE) WITHOUT ROOTING PERIOD!

( HTC makes the Thunderbolt not Motorola )

Everyone who has removed these apps voided their warranty at that point in time. Sure you can say "it's reversible", but saying do it or stop complaining without putting YOUR cash on the line if something does go wrong puts none of your skin in the game. So unless you want to put money into a fund for unforeseen bricks ( and statistics say there will be some) I'd stop jumping down the throats of those who choose to not take that $$$ risk.  Remember...

Murphy's Law was not just a TV show, it is also an adage that "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong"

Even HTC in their new proposal to unlock bootloaders on some devices states doing so VOIDS YOUR WARRANTY (even though they are providing the "key" to accomplish this).

[NuDroidUsrr]

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SkyyDogg wrote:

Hey VZW:

Here is the deal.  I have been reading multiple posts about how to remove some of the pre-loaded applications.  BitBop, Blockbuster, Let's Golf, and other bloat ware.  Essentially you have committed the legal theory of 'Conversion' by not allowing a customer to remove these applications. 

You should get your silly act together or you will find your self in another class action law suit.  To force a person to keep these and other applications is equal to selling somebody a car and telling them if they change the car radio or even remove the car radio it voids the warranty.  

Since the car radio isn't essential to the safety and functioning of the car it's a non-essential piece of equipment.  Since I am reasonably certain 'Let's Golf' isn't required to make the phone function as a phone it falls into the same category.  

By not allowing the customer to remove non-essential applications you have "Converted" that functionality or ability to function.  It's further going to be a problem for you when you DO allow a customer to download and install new launchers.  Which are an essential piece of functionality for the phone.  

Kindly cease and desist from the practice of conversion and put out a new updated that will enable people to remove unwanted pre-installed applications.  

Don't reply back with "These are a legally binding agreement between Verizon and developers."  Because apparently there are quit a few people who have paid full price for their phones and still can't get rid of them, like me.  Please don't reply back with, "We at Verizon deem these as necessary to the functionality of the phone."  In what realm of reality can you tell me I need, "Let's Golf?"  Please don't reply back with,  "These only take up limited space."  It's clear by my review of these many and previous posts that the space utilized by your forced bloatware is significant and it's there that my assertion of "Conversion" exists.  You (Verizon) have converted the promised available space to your own advertising benefit at the cost of your customers. 

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  It is all up to the manufacturer of the handset when they negotiate the contract to sell the phones with Verizon. Did you notice that there are no bloatware added to the iPhone that Verizon sells? The contract between Apple and Verizon does not allow it. The others, Motorola, HTC, Samsung, LG, etc, allowed it in their contracts. Apple was big enough, and Verizon wanted to iPhone bad enough to forego the additional apps, but the others do not hold enough clout by themselves to do it.

  Verizon should allow the practice to remove them, they would be satisfying their customers, and would make them look better in the Customer Service area. God knows they really need it....