Verizon 4g LTE Broadband Router IP Forwarding
KingZ
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I received a new Verizon 4G LTE Broadband Router with Voice last month. I am trying to connect my surveillance system to this so that I can watch the cameras from anywhere on the net. The problem is that I cannot make the IP forwarding to work. The device has a weird IP address with numbers and letters mixed. Is it not possible to do this with this broadband router? This was the only reason I bought the cellular router, just to use it for my surveillance system.

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deloused
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The router does support forwarding to be able to view your security system from anywhere on the Internet. To set this up you would first need to purchase a public static IP address. The default IP addresses are private and dynamic as you're currently behind the NAT firewall with the router.

The reason you're seeing an IP address with letters and numbers is due to IPV6, and the depletion and availability of ones with just numbers.

Instead of purchasing a public static IP address you could set up a VPN as those can tunnel through the firewall both ways.

The other option would be if your security system offers transmission to a cloud based service, you could then log in to that client remotely and see your cameras since the traffic wouldn't need to pass back through the lte router.

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KingZ
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So buying a static ip will work? I will contact tomorrow about a static ip. I don't think a cloud based system is going to work for this one. I have a Defender camera system which I can even use an app on my phone to view live and even rewind back to an earlier time.

Thanks for the quick reply.

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deloused
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Yes, because in addition to being static the IP address would be public and routable. To use port forwarding the IP address assigned to your router would need to have access to connect to the Internet directly, be unique and publicly routable. Currently the ip addresses assigned to your devices connected to the lte router are private, only viewable by the router, which communicates using security protocol behind the network firewall to a centralized Verizon server which is assigned a public routable ip, shared by many 4g devices. Once you have a static public ip assigned to your router it will be unique and not shared by any other router so you will be able to control the traffic and settings and receive return traffic (like logging in to your camera protocols) instead of the ip of the centralized sever which is shared by multiple routers.

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nicholas_g
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You can use Dynamic DNS.

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KingZ
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I am not using a PC. I am just using the LTE router with the security system. The system is up in the attic. No phone lines or cable in the house. This is why I chose the LTE router. I cannot use Dynamic DNS since I don't have a PC connected to it. If I had a PC everything would have been easy. I could have used noip.com<http://noip.com> but that is not the case. I will contact Verizon today to get a static ip.

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nicholas_g
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You cannot see the DNS values in the Verizon router?

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KingZ
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What's seeing the DNS values gonna do? It's dynamic and going to change frequently. Even though I see the current IP address, it doesn't let incoming traffic for me to control the surveillance system.

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nicholas_g
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Using Dynamic DNS in the router will resolve your issues. See the link I posted on how to set it. The Dynamic DNS servuce will update regularly with your new IP when DHCP changes it which is not very frequently.

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deloused
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Exactly, DNS would only work if you had a public IP address assigned to your router, but is of no use to you now since it has a private non routable address as Verizon uses the double NAT system.

nicholas_g
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Every router has to have a public IP otherwise you cannot get outbound. I am not sure what you mean by double NAT. That's almost like saying there is a NAT between the WAN and the router and another between the LAN and the WAN.

I have a Verizon router for a secondary backup in case my gig fiber fails and use Dynamic DNS for both since I run OpenVPN.

Never had issues routing to it externally with a public IP that was assigned dynamically.

Sorry if I am missing the point.

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deloused
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All routers do not need or have a public IP address for outbound. All routers that connect directly to the Internet would need a public IP address. The 4g lte router doesn't connect directly to the Internet, it connects to a Verizon network server behind a firewall, and the server has a public ip that routes the traffic. It's basically like a private network at home, connecting to Verizon's private network connecting you to the Internet (double vs single nat).

If yours is working with your setup it's due to your VPN, which is why I mentioned that as a workaround above, as VPNs can securely tunnel trough the network firewall both ways.

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KingZ
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OK after chatting with Verizon static IP is out if the question. I need a business account which I don't have and even if I had s business account the setup for a static IP costs $500 which I can't afford. Now the second way was using a VPN. How do I do this without a PC?

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deloused
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Yeah that is expensive! I've never personally used a VPN solution without a physical PC sever, but maybe someone here that has more knowledge on any other VPN connections will chime in. Alternatively, a local computer store might have more experience with alternative setups, or a company that provides VPN products like Cisco.

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nicholas_g
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Only OpenVPN on my router. I guess you could put a computer or raspberry pi on the network and use it as a squid proxy.

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KingZ
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I decide to go with my local telephone company which provides a static ip for $15 a month and this way I can get away without using a PC.

John_Getzke
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Seems like you found a solution.

Otherwise setting up a VPN connection direct from a modified home router is the only other way to provide network devices like security cameras a public IP address while connected to the VZW network.  This has been well documented as a limitation since the release of the 4G LTE network several years ago.  You can get it to work, but it often requires time and skills that are above most peoples interest levels.

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