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skipcaly
Enthusiast - Level 2

I recently discovered that I cannot uninstall pre-installed applilcations.   I am planning on starting a campaign to fight this issue.  Starting with a complaint to the Ohio State attorney general or better business bureau.   Anyone interested in joining in on the fun?   I am tired of this facistic approach to paying for a service that surprises you wilth restrictions and limitations that are unreasonable and diminish the product I am paying for.   Every application I can't remove takes space and other resources that limit my phone.

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skipcaly
Enthusiast - Level 2

Don't know how to Edited to Comply with terms of service. The phone.  Interesting idea.  What does this do to the warranty.

Sent from my iPad

***This voids your warranty

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mdram4x4
Champion - Level 1

skipcaly wrote:

Don't know how to "root". The phone.  Interesting idea.  What does this do to the warranty.

Sent from my iPad

it voids it of course

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you cannot discuss that option on the forums here as its a tos violation

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MrOpinion
Enthusiast - Level 2

Actually a good question , perception wise I'd say yes - null & void -  BUT since Google Android Market sells apps for rooted phones as well as apps for rooting phones, thereby I wonder what their legal liability potentially is considering the operating system of these phones is owned and sold/leased by Google . . . .  but rooting is not for everyone  and it is a risky venture

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demmo86rt
Champion - Level 3

Actually, because Android is open source, Google gives away the OS and only requires OEMs to meet certain requirements to be able to put the "with Google" label on it.  Also, the majority of the apps in the market are developed outside of Google (except those clearly marked with Google as the developer) and all root apps have a warning that whatever happens to your phone while using the app is your responsibility.

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bearone21
Legend

how many of the packaged apps are you using when you tap the button at the lower right side of the home-screen?

music, gallery, latitude, email, books, amazon kindle, city streets ........ad nauseum.

i'd bet that other than google apps, they're paying to have their app offered up to make life easier for folks who purchase these smart phones.

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MrOpinion
Enthusiast - Level 2

which means that the vendor is getting paid for a service that I am basically providing - my phone, my data storage, my broadband connection --- when they pay me then I will quit complaining (maybe - then It'll be that I can't go to highest bidder - boy would that change the app world )    Why is everybody justifying this BS instead of being outraged about it  -- I know I am, especially when they constantly update and even worse download extensions through MY broadband that I am paying for

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MrOpinion
Enthusiast - Level 2

actually using -- 5   taskmanager , google maps, browser, contacts & accounts  the rest they can keep

(and BTW you have 2 'books', 2 navigate', 3 or 4  ' video services'  wasting space on your 'phone'  - they are not running - but taking up space -- I can deal with the uploader for apps being there, thats 250 bites each  but way too many have program installed at 5 - 150 KB  and that adds up when you only have 8G on there  -- about 1G wasted by bloatware

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Wildman
Legend

This posting method simply isn't working, I agree with

droidsw post...

Is anybody else noticing that since you can't quote in the mobile version (and I'm assuming that's what's going on), these posts don't sequentially make sense and seem out of kilter? You kind of have to assume which reply is to which comment, unless the person specifically addresses that person.

In the mobile version, when you reply to a specific post, how about the usual expected notation saying "In Response To".

Off topic, I know.

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MrOpinion
Enthusiast - Level 2

Well as it is 'off topic' you'll notice that this post is immediately after yours and tied by a blue line / offset to your post   --- I'll give you three guesses why  - - -  cause they are showing which post you replied to    --- just FYI stuff -- now back to subject at hand   -- VZ taking up my storage space and my download allowance with unwanted junk

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droidsw
Specialist - Level 1

MrOpinion, my opinion is you aren't reading the mobile version. Your reply to my comment is not immediately after my post.

In the mobile version on my phone, your reply to me is among several of  your ramblings that are one after another. The only way I knew you were replying to me is the "off topic" reference.

Edit:

Out of curiosity, I logged in on my PC and in the full site, your replies are directly after who you are replying. That was my point. The mobile version just posts replies one after another, not directly after the thread a person is replying to.

So, instead of jumping in with a smart arse reply, FYI, you might have also read I was referring to the mobile version.

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Ann154
Community Leader
Community Leader

droidsw wrote:

MrOpinion, my opinion is you aren't reading the mobile version. Your reply to my comment is not immediately after my post.

In the mobile version on my phone, your reply to me is among several of  your ramblings that are one after another. The only way I knew you were replying to me is the "off topic" reference.

Edit:

Out of curiosity, I logged in on my PC and in the full site, your replies are directly after who you are replying. That was my point. The mobile version just posts replies one after another, not directly after the thread a person is replying to.

So, instead of jumping in with a smart arse reply, FYI, you might have also read I was referring to the mobile version.

Droidsw, the mobile version uses a flat format for the posts. Confusing yes. I find that I actually prefer it. You can also switch the PC version of this community to display the posts in a "threaded view" (default) or "flat view". I have switched my login preferences to flat for the posts. I can still tell who replied to whom by reading the "in response to" line above each post. If I have questions about who replied to whom on the mobile version, I plan to switch to the PC version and check the thread again switching as needed to the threaded view when necessary.

I'm most definitely NOT a VZW employee. If a post answered your question, please mark it as the answer.

droidsw
Specialist - Level 1

Ann, I would switch back and forth, like I did with the old format of the forum. However, the full version of the new forum on my phone force-closes my browser (doesn't work).

Otherwise, like before, I would not even bother with the mobile version.

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droidsw
Specialist - Level 1

Ann, thanks got for the tip, though.

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bearone21
Legend

you need to get away from the caffeine for a while, spooldown a little.

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MrOpinion
Enthusiast - Level 2

No caffeine involved - just a fired up about of the outrageous self-serving - screw the customer attitude that service providers (all) as well as well as equipment manufacturers (most) and OS system writers (all) have - not just in this phone world, but PC's and the like - basically we are paying for being advertised to and not getting what we want or paid for -- my 16 gig of memory, the apps I actually want (kind of like IE built into Windows - it's the worst browser and a huge security risk - but not removable an easily externally activated by hackers -- wrong item - same concept) and just how safe are they ? Did VZ (or other providers) really check them out, or just cash the check and smile - It's a travesty and needs to be stopped . . . but I'll leave it at that , sign off and chat to my shysters

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bebeau25
Enthusiast - Level 2

Why don't you just hide the app's that you don't like or want. Its a pretty simple idea, "out of sight out of mind." This is my first droid, so I don't know if you could do this on any other device, but I was surprised to to the option there. Just like bearone21 said these are advertisements that verizon gets paid for, so I'm surprised that we have the option to hide them.

MrOpinion
Enthusiast - Level 2

Well, just because they are hidden doesn't mean they don't take up space and they still continue to update and download data they feel they need ---   hiding them is like playing ostrich  - if I stick my head in the sand and don't see the crittter wanting to eat me then I'm safe  - - wrong

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MrOpinion
Enthusiast - Level 2

I'm all with you there and have made the exact argument to both Verizon & Google (after G downloaded 3 new books when - as I can't delete app at least I deleted their pre-installed media)  -- I'm going to chat with my shyster buddies as I agree , I paid for the phone, I paid for the memory space and therefor it is mine to do with as I please and not vor service providers to clutter up -- and btw has anybody checked who pays for the data transfer when they update (or download other unwanted stuff - ie GoogleBooks) ?   --- stay in touch  as you finalize your plans   --

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mdram4x4
Champion - Level 1

here is a snippit from the customer agreement you agreed to when you got service

http://www.verizonwireless.com/customer-agreement.shtml

My Wireless Device

Your wireless device must comply with Federal Communications Commission regulations, be certified for use on our network, and be compatible with your Service. Please be aware that we may change your wireless device's software, applications or programming remotely, without notice. This could affect your stored data, or how you've programmed or use your wireless device. By activating Service that uses a SIM (Subscriber Identity Module) card, you agree we own the intellectual property and software in the SIM card, that we may change the software or other data in the SIM card remotely and without notice, and we may utilize any capacity in the SIM card for administrative, network, business and/or commercial purposes. If you bought a wireless device for Postpay Service from Verizon Wireless that doesn't use a SIM card, and you want to reprogram it for use with another wireless network, the default programming code is set to "000000" or "123456." But please note that your wireless device may not work with another wireless network, or the other wireless carrier may not accept your wireless device on its network. If you activate a wireless device for Prepaid Service, during the first six (6) months after activation, it can only be used for Prepaid Service. The iPhone 4 is configured to work only with the wireless services of Verizon Wireless and may not work on another carrier's network, even after completion of your contract term.

rcschnoor
Legend

Additionally, this customer agreement is for ALL customers, not just customers who sign a 2yr contract. This is explained in the 1st paragraph of the agreement.

"Thanks for choosing Verizon Wireless. In this Customer Agreement, you'll find important information about your Service, including our ability to make changes to your Service or this agreement's terms, our liability if things don't work as planned and how any disputes between us must be resolved in arbitration or small claims court . If you're signing up for Service for a minimum contract term, you'll also find information about that contract term and what happens if you cancel a line of Service early or don't pay on time, including the possibility of an Early Termination Fee you may owe Verizon Wireless."

If this agreement was ONLY for customers who sign a 2yr agreement, they wouldn't need the part in red.

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Ringah
Contributor - Level 1

MrOpinion, if you are concerned about those apps downloading updates without your knowlegde, why don't you turn off automatic update on them?