Throttling of unlimited 4g
schadenfroh
Enthusiast - Level 2

So, as many of you likely know, Verizon will start throttling top 5% LTE data users in October that have unlimited plans:

Starting October 1, Verizon Will Include Unlimited 4G LTE Customers in “Network Optimization” | Droi...

While I applaud the marketing staff's efforts to deny that slowing the speed of LTE customers is throttling, and that the lawyers have made a very loose interpretation of what is considered "reasonable network management" to dodge FCC Block C spectrum rules (reasonable would be slowing down the folks that are, at the time of tower congestion, using the most bandwidth, rather than punishing top 5% unlimited data users who may not be using much bandwidth at the time of congestion, but have done so in the past during said billing cycle) , I figure I should prepare for the worst, since I do enjoy watching HD Netflix while traveling.

Is there anyway to sign a new 2-year contract with Verizon such that my unlimited data plan will not get throttled?  I don't want a new phone or upgrade, just a contract to ensure price stability, current plan, and no throttling.

Given I live in DC, there is plenty of congestion and I'm likely in the top 1% of data users given I push upwards of 40gb a month watching netflix (no TV, so phone gets it).

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M9
Contributor - Level 1

Their cash cows udders (minutes) have dried up. They r trying to make data the replacement.

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rcschnoor
Legend

I assume you mean 33% of "smartphone" users are still on unlimited. In one of your previous posts, you had stated you had "checked the latest #s" and said that 22% of Verizon customers are still on unlimited.

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Let's correct some of this math.  When Verizon ended unlimited data in July 2011 only 36% of 89.7 million has smartphones. Or 32.3 million. Now while most had unlimited data at that time not all did, but let's assume 100% anyway. Now if one assumed all 32.3 million unlimited data customers are still with Verizon and still on unlimited data( unrealistic ) since Verizon now has 98.6 million customers that percentage would be at best 32.8%. Of course we know it's not close to that.

As of the end of quarter 2( June 30) 75% of phones where smartphones. Also 55% Were on More  Everything. As we all know More Everything doesn't have unlimited data. So the unlimited data customers are part of the 45% that are Nationwide pricing. So that's 44.4 million. If we assume that Nationwide has the same % of smartphones. That's 33.3 million smartphones. Of course it would be ridiculous to assume all 33.3 million are on unlimited data. Even if we generously assume 75% are we get 25 million. 25 million of 98.6 million is 25.4%. So at best it's 25%. Also Verizon says it has 20 million customers with 3G only smartphone which have ALWAYS been throttled. So this new policy doesn't even affect them. Assuming 45% of those 20 million or 9 million are on Nationwide, that leaves at best 16 million 4G smartphones or 16% that would be on unlimited data and affected by this new policy. And that's very generous estimate.

Also on this topic all 3 other carriers have the same sort of policy toward unlimited data users. YES even T-Mobile. Second if the FCC really wants to prevent Verizon form "throttling" unlimited data customers Verizon can simply kill off unlimited data. There isn't any rule or law that can force Verizon to keep unlimited data. Is that a better solution? I wish they do it but I don't think it's better for those on unlimited.

Also let's stop over reacting. First you'd have to be in the top 5%. Even if you believed that 33% still had unlimited data then you're admitting only 15% of all unlimited data customers would even be under this policy. Even if you're in the top 5% you are only "throttled" if a tower is congested and only while the tower is congested. It's not even a permanent throttle. One could use 500 GB a month and never be throttled if the towers they use are never congested. So for basically a less than 1% chance of getting throttled people are getting their knickers in a bind.

Personally I hope the FCC pushes the issue and Verizon says F It and gets rid of unlimited data. Where are these unlimited data customers going to go then? To Sprint or T-Mobile who have the SAME policy as they were complaining about Verizon was wanting to do?

rcschnoor
Legend

I had forgotten that unlimited data user who only had 3G phones were already being throttled AND they were being throttled at a much more restrictive rate. Their throttling  continues until the end of their billing cycle, unlike the current iteration which only lasts until the user leaves the range of a congested tower and/or that tower is no longer congested.

That DOES lower the amount of users which this throttling will affect.

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M9
Contributor - Level 1

I disagree that people with unlimited data & still on 3G phones will be unaffected by this. Those 3G phones are getting long in the tooth & need to be replaced either by paying full price or buying a used 4G phone. Then they will be affected. I used to be one of those. I started my smartphone experience with a Droid X 3G phone with unlimited. Got a 4G Galaxy 3 just a few days before the deadline. Now using a One Max I bought outright. I have a good friend who is still using a 3G IPhone with unlimited. He is waiting on a new iPhone with 5" plus screen. I would give him my galaxy S3, but I know he has drunk too much apple Kool-aid to make the switch.

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Tidbits
Legend

They are already going through the optimization.  If the tower is congested and you use over 5GB of data you will be throttled on 3G.  That hasn't changed at all. 

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Exactly Tidbits. If people with 3G smartphone were so upset with the optimization they were being put through they could have easily upgraded to a 4G phone at anytime. And since 3G phones are limited to 3.5 Mbps at best, a 4G smartphone even with optimization would still feel much faster.

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M9
Contributor - Level 1

I wouldn't call paying 600$ for a new phone easily upgrading to a 4G phone

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M9
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In responce to tidbits "no you don't pay 100.00$ for unlimited data". Yes I do. I am forced to pay 39.99 for voice that I don't want, don't need, don't use. I have an employer issued dumb phone for the rare occasion I need voice. My HTC one max is strictly a data consumption device for me. I pay 29.99 for unlimited data. I pay 30.00 for unlimited hot spot. I pay 3.00 for roadside assistance. I pay 5.00 to 10.00 in bull crap fees.U do the math. I pay for my data. And for that 100$+ each month, at home I am lucky to get 3G with 1 bar of service, it often falls to 1X or no service. Luckily I am rarely at home.

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Tidbits
Legend

Grabbing straws here man. You are not forced to pay for a luxury.  You CHOOSE to pay for a luxury. 

M9
Contributor - Level 1

No I am not. VZW shouldn't make people pay 4 voice that don't want it.

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M9
Contributor - Level 1

I think VZW should be careful about the FCC. They could suffer the same fate Ma Bell suffered a few decades back.

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The breakup was due to non competition.

And even after the break up there is competition, but prices have soared higher and higher.

The Sherman Anti Trust Act would not apply. Verizon is not a monopoly.

Good Luck

Tidbits
Legend

M9 wrote:

No I am not. VZW shouldn't make people pay 4 voice that don't want it.

People shouldn't do business, and not pay for something they don't want to pay for.  That speaks louder than what you are doing.

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M9
Contributor - Level 1

VZW has a monopoly in my area.

Sent from my HTC One max on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network

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Monopoly would be if there is no other companies offering the same products and services.

The company may not be in your area, that however does not mean if they are not that Verizon is a monopoly.

Good Luck

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M9
Contributor - Level 1

From a Federal POV as per the FCC which is what we were discussing, U may b correct. Maybe not. But a local Monopoly can still be regulated at the state level. In NC we have a utilties commission 4 this. Wireless service should come under their jurisdiction.

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Tidbits
Legend

So you are saying your area has no other service providers? Do you pay more than any other person with the same services in a different area? If you say Yes to the first and no to the second. It isn't even a local monopoly. If you say no to both it'll be hard to say it's affecting customers and FCC won't do a thing because prices are even.

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M9
Contributor - Level 1

Unless u count the very crappy 3G with 1 bar falling to 1X, then falling to no service from VZW my area has no wireless service. I did notice a new tower under construction in my area Friday. No idea which companies will transmit from it.

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LRVassar
Specialist - Level 2

If Verizon Wireless is available in your area, then Straight Talk is also available. Straight Talk uses Verizon Wireless services. Your monopoly statement is nil.

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M9
Contributor - Level 1

Not according to Wallie world's service map. I don't think straight talk uses all of VZW's service area.

Sent from my HTC One max on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network

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