Considering Verizon and the Samsung Fascinate? Don't do it...
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
If you're considering switching to Verizon and getting a new Samsung Fascinate... I can't recommend either.
Read the various threads on this forum and take them seriously. Verizon Wireless has "gimped" an otherwise excellent device, does not support it (or their customers), and will not respond to comments or complaints openly in this forum.
I did receive a call from customer service. The CSR listened politely and said "I'm sorry" several times and then left the call saying, "that's just the way it is"! In other words, 'we've got your money now and you're stuck with it'.
I've learned my lesson... too late. But, you don't need to make the same mistake.
Merry Christmas!
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
To Verizon's credit, I did receive the following reply to my post:
Good morning!
My name is Morgan and I am a Verizon Wireless representative. I have read your recent post: Considering Verizon and the Samsung Fascinate? Don't do it and I would like to help you. So that I can better understand, please advise me of your concerns and issues with your device and/or Verizon Wireless. I would like to answer and help resolve any issues. I'm looking forward to your response.
MorganB
_______________________________________________________________________________
To which I replied on the same day:
_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Verizon response
Morgan,
Thank you for at least reaching out to reply.
I moved to Verizon Wireless for the first time this year bringing four lines for my family. We currently have three Samsung Fascinate devices and to be honest, I'm tired of paying for features that we were sold as coming with this phone that don't work. Since you've been monitoring these forums, I'm sure that non of the things I'm about to mention will be new to you.
First, the time it takes for the GPS to lock unto a usable signal is unacceptable. I travel for a living and rely on my phone to provide that service. Having experienced the quick lock of the Incredible and seeing others with numerous non-Samsung devices locking on without an issue is maddening. I was told when we purchased these phones that this widely reported Galaxy S issue had been resolved with the Verizon Fascinate. Then, we were told that a "fix" would resolve the issue. Then, we were told that another "fix" coming end of November/early December would resolve the issue. Still, nothing has been done. Going into the new year, I will be on the road a good deal of the time with a "smartphone" whose GPS is useless in strange cities.
Other issues... the stock email program that comes on the device is useless. Again, we were told this would be fixed by the first "fix". Not so.
We purchased two desk docks that we later found (after we got home) stickers stating that the audio out would not be available until Android 2.2. When we asked our sales rep, we were told that would be in "a couple weeks". I think that was back in September. I've lost track of time. We have had these useless desk docks since we bought the phones.
Then, there's Bing. Again we were told that with Android 2.2 (a couple of weeks), Verizon would not force Bing on this phone. Why would I buy a Google device primarily for all of the features that Google brings to the table when those "features" have been gimped? Oh yeah, "a couple of weeks".
There are numerous other issues (including apps being updated for 2.2 only, poor Bluetooth compatibility, poor wifi radio, slow program load time - aka lag, etc. ) that I could go on about. But as I stated above, I'm sure it's nothing new to you.
Android 2.3 is now out and I'm sure will be available for the Motorola and HTC phones of the world. When will THAT be available for the Samsung Fascinate?
My wife and daughter are OK with their Fascinates. Since I rely on mine for work and while traveling, I am extremely disappointed in Verizon's lack of support for this phone. Not expecting improvement any time soon, I will do what's necessary to take our business elsewhere while looking for a company who cares about their customers and supports the devices they sell. And, I'll make sure that everyone on these and the various other forums knows why. Not that I believe you care,
I know you're just caught in the middle and like the rep that called me a week ago... all you can do is apologize for the problems with this phone while saying you don't know when anything will change. But, I appreciate the fact that at least you made an attempt.
Merry Christmas.
By the way, I'm not the least bit interested in an iPhone.
_______________________________________________________________________________
I haven't heard anything since.
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
I completely agree with you on this. It still completely blows me away how many times customers were sold this phone on features that don't work or don't work well and were made numerous promises that fixes are shortly forthcoming. Its VZW sales reps jobs to make sure you have a phone that works for you...not to lie to you, etc. I'm also completely blown away at the fact that there are numerous people that will still try and obsolve VZW any responsibility for said customers' troubles. The more time that this crap drags on with VZW and Android in general, I'm beginning to hate Android more and more. If all this crap don't start getting taken care of soon, its going to push people to other smartphone types.
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
That is what they want to sell another $600 smartphone .
We are still hooked for the ETF or the remainder of our Contract.
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
Some of the technical aspects (e.g. GPS not locking in quickly) don't bother me THAT much, but I find it an egregious and utterly unethical business practice to charge ANYTHING for a device that is not designed primarly as a phone (or a computer or a hoozywhatzit), but as a way to sell advertising and other services. My dismay after using the Fascinate for a week or so and realizing its failings turned to horror after I realized what the device really represents, the much larger role it plays in making someone else a LOT of money for a very inferior product and associated services. I won't even go into the "big brother" aspect...
I resisted getting a cell phone at all back in the late 90's and I'm sorry to this day that I gave in. What an awful way to live. Perhaps they could just put tubes in our tummies so they can suck the life out more quickly. Or maybe they could just cut us up into parts and sell them. No, I guess that's not as economically viable...
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
Personally, I haven't had any issues with the POP emailing software on the phone. It syncs every 15 minutes like I ask it to through the settings. The only times I have had issues are when I was not receiving data service.
As for the software updates, the Fascinate software updates are provided by Samsung, not Verizon. Verizon only updates the firmware that operates things on their end. I'm patiently waiting for the new OS update, as well. But it appears that your other issues will be fixed with the new update from Samsung. Unfortunately, everyone was told September, then October, then December, and now who knows for sure? They are working out the bugs in the update, supposedly, but we may be receiving the Gingerbread (v2.3) update instead of Froyo (v2.2) at this rate.
Hope this helps resolve your GPS location issue at the very least.
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
Thanks for the suggestions. Although I've tried the same with no difference in the time it takes to locate.
As for the "software", I think Samsung supplied a final release to Verizon some time ago. Now they're taking their time adding their "bloatware" (VZ Navigator, Bing, My Verizon, etc.) and blocking various stock Android features like WiFi tethering. That's what's taking so long.
What's their incentive to do this? Customer service? HA! HA! HA!
Happy New Year!
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
Samsung is releasing updates for the Fascinate (and other Galaxy S phones) in various parts of the world. The U.K. (about a month or so ago), parts of Asia (also about a month or more), and Canada (this week) have had a chance to update their OS. Of course, they had to halt the updates because of some bugs that caused the phone to lock up and become useless. It remains to be seen if this update in Canada will work. But they are working on it.
While it may not seem like they have any incentive to provide the software updates (as they are a hardware company), it really is in their best interest to do so if they want to remain in this business (of selling cellular phones). If they don't, they'll lose a lot of repeat customers. Of course, at this point, they might doing more damage control than anything else. We'll see if they deliver a stable OS that can showcase what this phone is capable of being.
Hope you have a happy new year, as well, and let's keep our fingers crossed for a stable update in about a month or two.
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
I don't think I will ever understand the philosophy behind many companies non-communication policy. I just got a Samsung Fascinate in November and probably wouldn't have if I knew that the 2.2 firmware wouldn't be out either ever or for several months. There are significant issues that are addressed in 2.2. So, by not communicating, you got me to buy the phone, good for you. But I like 1000's of other "suckers" write blogs, various complaints on forums and generally trash (or reveal) the reputation of Verizon and Samsung. Can that really be better then me simply not buying that phone because Samsung and Verizon were honest in their release information? 2.3 is starting to trickle out, Verizon's upgrade policy is 18months. So you buy what think is the latest hardware but cannot use it because it's not the latest software. Worse yet, neither Verizon or Samsung are willing to admit it. Worst of all you have to wait 18 months (= 3 lifetimes) to upgrade. The result, one unhappy, complaining customer that is hoping that GSM coverage will get better so they can one day jump ship... who is sure from reading 1000's of similar posts that he isn't alone.
Personally, I'm tired of the hit and miss experience I've had with handsets and versizon. I've had 4 phones from Verizon, only 2 have been good experiences. My family and I will no doubt be moving to the next wireless company that comes along with something better to offer. After 3 years of being with Verizon, there is 0% accrued customer loyalty. All because they simply won't communicate. You can't expect loyalty when you are "misinformed" (aka being lied to).
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
I find it amazing that while MorganB 
replied to my original post on 12/23, I've heard nothing from "her" since!
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
{please keep your posts courteous} be calm, there is nothing wrong with Verizon as they are the best. If you think the big V is bad go and try the other carriers and see. Just {please keep your posts courteous} wait for the fixes, and I think the fascinate is a great phone {please keep your posts courteous}
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
Uh, yeah. Let's all just sit quietly while Verizon takes advantage of us. It is complaints like this that force the issue with these carriers and make them live up to their commitments.
Leave it to Verizon to ruin a perfectly good piece of hardware. They loaded it up with crapware (bloatware) to pad their profit margins. I would normally tolerate that because computer manufactures have been doing it for years...but here is the big difference. Verizon has locked the Fascinate so the user CAN'T uninstall their apps. So your stuck with stupid apps like Blockbuster (probably going out of business this year) and a long list of other apps including Verizon's own apps to push other services like their music sales, ringtones, map service...apps to milk yet more money out of their customers. They set their own apps as the default and make it difficult or impossible to change anything. They have crippled the ability to tether (use the phone as a wifi access point unless you use Verizon's app and pay them an extra $20 per month. And, as if that weren't enough, they are STILL stuck on Adroid version 2.1 while everyone else in the Adroid world is moving on 2.3. In the Smartphone world., this is like the difference between Windows 95 and Windows 7.
Verizon! Stop focusing on how you can make more money and just sell me a phone that I can control myself.
As stated by another user, I bought a docking system (Samsung OEM) but the audio output doesn't work...because we're still stuck on Andoid 2.1.
Oh, and for the response that "if you don't like it, find another carrier" Well once you get this phone, you're locked into a 2 year contract. Don't get me wrong, I love the phone, I just HATE what Verizon has done to it. When I bought it, they don't bother to explain that you can't uninstall the crapware.
{edit for TOS violation}
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
ldeweyjr hit the nail on the head!
Well stated.
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
ldeweyjr wrote:Uh, yeah. Let's all just sit quietly whileVerizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint, US Cellular, Cellular South, Alltel, and others takes advantage of us. It is complaints like this that force the issue with these carriers and make them live up to their commitments.
Leave it to Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint, US Cellular, Cellular South, Alltel, and others to ruin a perfectly good piece of hardware. They loaded it up with crapware (bloatware) to pad their profit margins. I would normally tolerate that because computer manufactures have been doing it for years...but here is the big difference. Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint, US Cellular, Cellular South, Alltel, and others has locked the Fascinate and other smartphones (i.e. Android, Blackberry, i*hone, Windows Mobile) so the user CAN'T uninstall their apps. So your stuck with stupid apps like Blockbuster (probably going out of business this year) and a long list of other apps including Verizon's own apps to push other services like their music sales, ringtones, map service...apps to milk yet more money out of their customers. They set their own apps as the default and make it difficult or impossible to change anything. They have crippled the ability to tether (use the phone as a wifi access point unless you use Verizon's app and pay them an extra $20 per month. And, as if that weren't enough, they are STILL stuck on Adroid version 2.1 while everyone else in the Adroid world is moving on 2.3. In the Smartphone world., this is like the difference between Windows 95 and Windows 7.
Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint, US Cellular, Cellular South, Alltel, and others! Stop focusing on how you can make more money and just sell me a phone that I can control myself.
As stated by another user, I bought a docking system (Samsung OEM) but the audio output doesn't work...because we're still stuck on Andoid 2.1.
Oh, and for the response that "if you don't like it, find another carrier" Well once you get this phone, you're locked into a 2 year contract. Don't get me wrong, I love the phone, I just HATE what Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint, US Cellular, Cellular South, Alltel, and others has done to it. When I bought it, they don't bother to explain that you can't uninstall the crapware.
To quote another user in this community, Gerio, "There, I fixed for you". All the other carriers have their pre-loaded applications. You can't get always from it unless you can buy an unsubdized and unlocked phone for full retail price directly from the manufacturer or an overseas model.
I'm most definitely NOT a VZW employee. If a post answered your question, please mark it as the answer.
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
To Ann154 if you have Droid eris why are you posting and talking about the Fascinate? Why put that signature everytime you comment?
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
bigfrank69 wrote:To Ann154 if you have Droid eris why are you posting and talking about the Fascinate? Why put that signature everytime you comment?
I was replying to the comment on pre-installed applications that is common to all Android phones. It is the same as this small sampling of posts.
http://community.vzw.com/t5/DROID-Apps/Removal-of-unwanted-apps/m-p/142449#M42
http://community.vzw.com/t5/DROID-X-by-Motorola/deleting-games-that-came-with-the-phone/td-p/370608
http://community.vzw.com/t5/DROID-X-by-Motorola/Removing-Backup-Assistant-from-Droid-X/td-p/348224
http://community.vzw.com/t5/DROID-2-by-Motorola/Removing-some-pre-installed-apps/m-p/267513#M545
http://community.vzw.com/t5/DROID-Incredible-by-HTC/Removing-Skype/m-p/277930/highlight/true#M11673http://community.vzw.com/t5/DROID-Apps/removing-applications-that-came-preloaded-on-Droid/m-p/113608...
As for the signature. It is a signature line that users can added to their posts if they have a certain ranking. You read it about here.
http://community.vzw.com/t5/Community-Announcements/Verizon-Community-Ranking-System/td-p/21291
I'm most definitely NOT a VZW employee. If a post answered your question, please mark it as the answer.
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
Ann154 still dont know why it says that but whatever thank you for reply
Yes I still have a vintage Push Button phone on the wall and still use it. LMAO
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
I don't understand making a buying decision based on "how far short" the phone is from what it "should" be.
I'm very happy with my Fascinate; for my purposes, it's superior to any other smartphone on the market, including the other Android models carried by Verizon. I'm not saying other Android phones are inferior for other people, obviously. But I'd suggest picking a phone based on how well it suits your needs as the phone is configured today. Relying on Froyo, other updates, rumored updates, etc. seems like a strategy that will result in frustration and dissatisfaction.
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
I just want to remind everyone here that we all had 30 days to figure out if you wanted to keep the phone. No one was fixed in to a long-term contract until the 30 days were up. Thirty days is plenty of time to figure out if you dislike anything about the phone or the service. You don't even need a valid reason to return it. You can simply just say that you don't like it, and that's the end of it. So, don't keep complaining about a phone that hasn't changed in the 30 day trial period. You decided to stick with it for better or worse.
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
Well 10sen people are ticked off because of promises that it would be upgraded and like myself like the phone and thought I would wait for fixes but some of these people been waiting 3 months after being promised they would be fixed up in a week or so and now they are mad because it's after 30 days and they are screwed until an update comes. It has been month for me and have no choice but wait
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
I can understand the frustrations of being promised something and being disappointed when that didn't happen, but while I haven't kept inquiring about the updates, Verizon has never once promised me an update for my phone. In fact, the statements that we've been getting from the Verizon people on this website about how our phones would notify us if there were updates available is what I've heard.
I do agree that it would be nice to be caught up with the standard, but my phone is currently working fine since I managed to fix my GPS issue (which doesn't seem to be working for anyone else on the site). But I think that having a fully functioning update or upgrade is more important than having an update or upgrade that bricks my phone.
