Duogen wrote: Very good arguments here. I will point out some and discuss. So lets face it, the 30$ for a dumb phone is ridiculous, I will agree with you there. Its obvious they are pushing you to a smartphone, (i mean really 10 bucks difference, It would be dumb to have a dumb phone) So I can see where Verizon is sticking it to you in the wrong way with that. THIS I actually kind of get for the most part basically there moving people to unlimited talk and text currently the pricing for 2 phones on the unlimited talk is $119.99 then $49.99 for each line after that rather it's a basic phone OR a smart phone so for the basic phones there getting a savings of $20 for each individual phone and $10 savings for a smartphone under this new plan so this DOES kind of make sense HOWEVER what doesn't make sense about this is there charging this $30 (basic phone) and $40 (smart phone) to EVERY line on the account including the primary line so THAT I don't get The whole "loyal" customer thing is just a laugh. You expect to be rewarded on keeping a cheap bill forever. Sorry, this is not the same thing as giving your dog a treat every time it goes to the bathroom out side. Prices go up, its called inflation. Here I disagree People aren't asking for a cheap bill if they wanted a cheap bill they would have went to prepaid like Boost Mobile ($50 a month for unlimited talk, text and mobile web then after 6 months it comes down 5 dollars to $45 then another 6 months down to $40 then another 6 months down to the $35 which is what you would pay for the rest of the life you have the service) or something similar like Straight Talk What people are asking for is for a reasonable pricing plan $100 for unlimited talk, text and 10 gb is reasonable (tho not very cheap considering the prices of the prepaid markets) for 1 or 2 lines HOWEVER these $40 smart phone fees on top of that makes that plan $140 where as before the price was $120 (for 1) u could have used 15, 20, or even 30gbs (if u were a data hog) now for $20 MORE you are limited to only 10gbs The laugh of me being a Verizon employee. No, but I do work for an ISP that hauls all this 4g data around, I know the bill they pay to provide you with this service. I have expected rise/change in data since the announcement of 4g, if you didn't, your spoiled not loyal. making a change is 1 thing and all fine and dandy but to make people pay MORE for LESS is not so fine and dandy and that's what people are complaining about and most people don't want an unlimited talk plan but it's being forced on them if they upgrade there phones or they can stick with what they have and have there unlimited data that they pay $30 a month for changed to a measly 2gbs which is a rip off I understand a lot of you feel your not going to be able to spend your entire life on your phone now, maybe that's the reason behind it? It got out of hand. It was cheaper to have WIRELESS internet ANYWHERE than it was to have high speed internet in your house from a cable/dsl provider. cheaper? since when has it been cheaper? to use data on your laptop you'd be paying $60 for 5gb (which they changed and gave u an option of 10gb for $80 where as with cabl/dsl u were getting unlimited and faster speeds for half the price now the plan I have right now with cable internet is $80 but it's 30mbps download and 5mbps upload speed not a measly 12mbps speed that Verizons 4g is now (not that 4g is available in my area yet) and I can use 200gbs of data if i choose too Another thing I am seeing is people referring this service as a phone service. No "service provider" in this day and age is a primary phone service. You have entered the age of Data. Everyone will be Data providers. Video/phone will all be data. You all wanted this, you wanted phones that did it all, but you expected the price to stay the same. Common sense says that can't happen, but you got spoiled and loss that common sense I am afraid. part of this i can agree on it's actually called a Communications provider.......... actually I didn't really want a smart phone until verizon came out with the android incredible and i seen what it could do tho I didn't really get 1 until they were almost off the market and then I got a like new device when I first signed up with verizon i was going to get 2 of the samsung smart phones tho i didn't know it was a smart phone till i put them in my cart then realized they were when it said it needed a $30 data fee for each so i cancelled them and got the samsung intensity and smooth I didn't expect the prices to stay the same I knew they would change because i'd read they change there pricings every 2 yrs (tho there a bit late on this 1 it seems) what i didn't expect was for them to try and make u pay A LOT MORE and get A LOT LESS Kind of like the Gas prices. Data has become a true necessity, and some people can not make a living with out it. Prices for data will go down. Data usage will go up though, so it will balance out. You will have to learn how to manage your usage. This time next year, data will probably double/triple. So the lowest 50$ will be 3 gb and so on. You thought it was sneaky using Google voice instead of your minutes, or other messages instead of the text plan. Well it has came around and bit ya. I've actually never used google voice I did sign up for it but seen it was pointless after all of 5 minutes so never used it I also understand we are comparing family plans/new plan. To my understanding this is all that is affected, family plans. I have not heard that individual plans were changing to this. If the source can be provided, it may spark interest. But do not source these people saying "most of Verizon's plans are gone and replaced" as that's speculation, not fact. actually individual plans (like myself) are affected we can get on 1 of those plans OR we can keep the same price we pay now but the unlimited data will go down to a measly 2gb the ONLY way I could see myself paying $30 for LESS than unlimited is if they were to give say 10-15gbs which is roughly $2-$3 a gb which in my opinion is still a bit high but better than $30 for 2gbs that's a rip off All of your arguments are valid and a true concern. But you advise Verizon is greedy because they are charging more for their service. But I feel the consumers are greedy, because they want all this technology, but want it to be cheap. again there not asking for cheap if they wanted cheap they'd go to prepaid what they want is a fair or reasonable price which is NOT at all what there getting there paying much more for LESS and on top of that getting stuck with a $30 upgrade fee on top of it I saw someone say that they would be paying $50 more under this new plan with I believe it was 4 phones now IF they upgrade there going to be stuck with 1 of these new plans which will be $50 more PLUS $120 extra on top of it for the upgrade fees so basically they would be paying $170 extra when they upgrade now WHO is the greedy ones here? the customer or the CEO'S?? Jumping ship to another carrier isn't doing something to hurt Verizon in anyway. You will go buy another phone, sign another contract, and pay someone else. You will save 10 - 20 bucks a month, and have something else to gripe about, whether is phone quality, network quality or customer service. Its a never ending cycle with consumers. this is true I will agree with you on this for me Verizon is the only provider that has decent coverage in my area and anywhere I go In the end you are going to be forced to manage your data usage in every aspect of your life. It will never be unlimited for ever. Cable providers, Cell providers, DSL Providers, etc they are all going to tiered or have been tiered for data. People that stay with Verizon and adjust to the changes, will save money in the long run. And will be used to what is to come. While those that flee, will continue to do so. Until they are forced to change. IPv6 is out now, and it is out to put an IP on everything. Cars, washers, thermostats and everything else being manufactured to work on a network. 2012 was never the "end of the world" it was the end of the world as YOU knew it. Welcome to the true Digital Era. and when this does happen I will be going without internet Change happens. | 
