Re: Encrypted Bootloaders, The Law and Your Rights
NuDroidUsrr
Specialist - Level 3

TheDiabolicaL1 wrote:

I had a reasonable expectation that the device I PRE ORDERED (nearly a month before I received it in an effort to keep my unlimited data package) would arrive unlocked, just like every other carrier.  I traded up from a Droid X2, which, is also locked down.  I would not have purchased the SGS3 had I known the boot loader been locked.  That said, I like the phone but I do not agree with Verizons stance that locking the device down is warranted or reasonable.  I am waiting for an official response from Verizon on behalf of the complaint I filed with the FCC.  I am also still under contract for my Droid x2 so leaving Verizon, without paying, isn't an option.

I should make it clear that I like Verizon for what I pay them for- cellular service.  I do not appreciate them meddling with my device.  I certainly don't appreciate what I'm about to type..

My first Verizon phone was the BlackBerry Storm. Need I say more? 1st time Verizon screwed me.

My second device was a Motorola Droid X.  Encrypted bootloader and all.  #2

My third device- a Motorola Droid X2 sent to me by Assurian to replace an accidental break for the Droid X.  Locked down and forgotten.  This one really gets me though, as I still have this phone and it's hardware is fine.  It is what I upgraded from. While the software running the device leaves very much to be desired, it's hardware is functionally ok.  (Edited content to comply with VZW ToS).  I never went down that road as it's outside my abilities. In fact, it's hardware is very similar to a Nexus device that is currently running ICS.  Motorola and Verizon both tell me the X2 can't run ICS, however,(Edited content to comply with VZW ToS).  Seems to me it's perfectly capable.  #3

SGS3-  you know the story from there.

My issue with the locked boot loader is it gives Verizon explicit ability to render any device outdated via it's software even though it's hardware still functions and is perfectly capable of running these updates OS's.  By encrypting the boot-loader, Verizon can, at it's sole discretion, chose to not upgrade the device any further.  They may not want to put time or money into it and I perfectly understand that.  I really do.  Considering the device is completely out of warranty and is no longer being supported either officially or unofficially, what's the harm in letting third party developers pick up where VZW and Moto left off?  There isn't, other than the desire to sell phones.  I wouldn't have purchased my SGS3 if I had been allowed to put ICS on my X2.  Locking the boot-loader isn't about network security, or user experience.  It's about preventing you from upgrading your device pass where Verizon would like to cut it off.  Look at all those carriers who don't lock their boot-loaders.  You'll find their smartphone sales have slumped.  Verizon sees alot of upgrades from people with LOCKED DEVICES.  Not so many from unlocked though. 

You find this behavior acceptable, but my questioning the reasonableness of it and suddenly I'm the bad guy.  You guys are hilarious.

I didn't say you were the bad guy, I just question why you keep CHOOSING to use Verizon when you apparently have had so man problems with how they do things? Seems to me I would have been choosing someone else if at all possible.

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Re: Encrypted Bootloaders, The Law and Your Rights
Tidbits
Legend

Again the boot loader has NOTHING to do with block C. The simcard slot is what matters to block C.

Take it up with the FTC and they'll tell you the same thing.

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Re: Encrypted Bootloaders, The Law and Your Rights
Tidbits
Legend

So wait why do you keep changing your story? I thought this was about you being able to go to any carrier you pleased. Now it's about updates?

Anyway... Return your device and get the developer GS3. They are for sale and Samsung has it on their website...

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Re: Encrypted Bootloaders, The Law and Your Rights
PJNC284
Master - Level 2

Believe AT&T is using part of the lower 700MHz band.  Sprint is reallocating their 800MHz iDen network for LTE.  Also about the whole interoperability ordeal.  http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57422611-94/will-at-t-and-verizon-4g-lte-ever-be-compatible/

Article about the new LTE chips. http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/06/qualcomm-new-lte-chip/

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Re: Encrypted Bootloaders, The Law and Your Rights
TheDiabolicaL1
Contributor - Level 1

I'm not changing my story.  I merely mentioned why *I* think Verizon truthfully encrypts the boot-loader.  It's my belief of why it's done.  It doesn't change the fact that I would like to take my -already paid for- device to a different carrier, and cannot do so.  There's no changing of stories here, my friend.

Furthermore, what you still fail to realize is one cannot reflash the radio in the device because of the encrypted software that runs before Android starts up and verifies that ONLY Verizon Software can be ran on the device.  Once the software realizes you've swapped out radios and kernels it bricks itself.

How is that not clear.  You cannot take this device to a different network.

But wait-  who's changed their story?  I thought it didn't apply to the SGS3...?

Re: Encrypted Bootloaders, The Law and Your Rights
Tidbits
Legend

So you bought your device outright? No then you don't own the device until the end of your two year contract. US supreme court ruled that back in 1998 and one of the reasons why we have diminishing returns on the ETF.

If yes and you don't have it tied to the line the flag can and is removed as long as there is no outstanding balance, not lost/stolen and it is not tied to a phone line. The boot loader doesn't matter. What matters is if the carrier you are going to is willing to take foreign IMEI.

Re: Encrypted Bootloaders, The Law and Your Rights
Tidbits
Legend

As I said return the S3 and get the developers version. Your problem is solved.

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Re: Encrypted Bootloaders, The Law and Your Rights
TheDiabolicaL1
Contributor - Level 1

The device is not for sale.

You're grasping at straws now.

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Re: Encrypted Bootloaders, The Law and Your Rights
Tidbits
Legend

Then wait for it to be on sale. If you really want that device return your S3 get your cash back and wait for that one to be released.

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Re: Encrypted Bootloaders, The Law and Your Rights
PJNC284
Master - Level 2

The locked bootloader only succeeds in blocking those with legit uses.  Case in point...

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii430/pttyndal/droid/Screenshot_2012-07-19-21-38-33.png

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