Cyan update status changed to "under development". What does that mean?
Billtastic
Enthusiast - Level 1

Microsoft support site has changed th status of the cyan update for all Verizon windows phones to "under development".

All other phones say "available" or "under testing".  What does "under development" mean versus "under testing".  Does this mean we are going backwards with the update instead of forwards?  😞

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rednibkram
Specialist - Level 1

Sorry that you and Tidbits don't have the connections that I do, but dispite what you believe (which I really don't care about), what I have posted on here is FACTS!   Just because I have contacts with inside information, doesn't mean I'm going to expose those contacts to anyone, especially not you or Tidbits, no matter how much you clammor that you don't believe it.

I will say that the same people that I spoke with have similar connections to the contacts WindowsCentral have and they have CONFIRMED what I have been saying.  Want proof, go read their article!  They wouldn't be able to PRINT it if it wasn't true.

http://www.windowscentral.com/verizon-lumia-cyan-update-under-development-delay

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What that article states has nothing to do with your claims.

You have been claiming Verizon has had the update since July 2014 and refuses to release it.

You have however been told by myself and others Tidbits included that you have no idea who has what and that it is quite possible Verizon rejected it and sent it back.

So the article bears out that Verizon is not the one who actually had it. However you claimed through super secret conversations that it was Verizon that refuses to release it. You were and are totally wrong.

Just the tweet by Microsoft and the link you provided show you did not have any prior knowledge.

You are going to wait just like the rest.

Per your previous postings on not getting your "Android" update it appears your "information" is either faulty or simply fantasy.

Now the article states maybe in 2015 and as I previously said you and others will get the updates or not when they are ready to do so. 

The initial posting on all this Windows junk was "complain to the FCC" of which I gave factual information to one and all that they had no authority on any carrier to give updates.

The branching out to this person said, she said, secret squirrel said etc. Has been shown to be bogus.

Go back and read all these Windows threads and you will see your "insider" information could not be proven.

I spoke to Bill Gates this morning and he told me that if any information was leaked by one of his people he will fire them and call me back. (Notice this is the same type of statement's you are claiming and I can spoof it to show executive intervention. However like you I spoke to no executive at Microsoft)

But nice try!

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rednibkram
Specialist - Level 1

And you don't have the same contact's that I do which escalated my case higher than yours.  Sorry if that makes you feel less important, but....  😞

rednibkram
Specialist - Level 1

Glad you mentioned Windows Phone Central.  Check out this article.  I am NOLATechy!  If  you actually read the article you will see that WindowsCentral was able to CONFIRM what I said.  You want PROOF!  Read the article!  They were able to PROVE what I have been saying!

http://www.windowscentral.com/verizon-lumia-cyan-update-under-development-delay

primortal
Master - Level 1

So instead of VZW talking to the developers of their applications to fix the problem they are blaming Microsoft....

Tidbits I know you mentioned the RIL (Radio Interface Layer) do you really think it's a Microsoft issue or just the developers that coded the applications just don't know what they are doing?

You would think if is Microsoft that most of the carriers would have a similar issue wouldn't they?

Tidbits
Legend

Every carrier is different. Apple for example does a unified RIL the past 2 years and not everything has been peachy. People are complaining about over billing on data.

I can tell right now Nokia isn't using a unified RIL. Right now I am more interested in when did Nokia submitted their update and how often. I mean if Nokia didn't submit the update until let's say 1 1/2 months ago then most of the delay isn't from Verizon. Just because they said they gave it to carriers doesn't mean it's true. A long while back HTC for caught in that lie with a leaked internal document. Yes they submitted them to carriers but not all carriers in the way manufacturers made it sound like.

I said earlier about how AT&T has purchased more overall windows phone devices than all the other 3 carriers combined. Makes me believe Nokia put more resources and effort into AT&T devices and once that was finished isn't reallocating that resources into other devices to save costs. That's what I believe is really happening but alas Microsoft can't do no wrong. Though they have burned numerous customers and businesses for the past 30 years.

djmaloy
Enthusiast - Level 2

I just went ahead and cancelled my visual voicemail and removed the vz navigator and the my verizon mobile apps...  Verizon obviously has complete and total disdain for the Windows Phone platform...  If they want to continue to ignore us, I will ignore them back.. 

djmaloy
Enthusiast - Level 2

I was going to remove the FIOS app also, then I remembered they still haven't released one yet..

vzwenduser
Contributor - Level 2

That gave me a chuckle.

bsites1968
Contributor - Level 2

Verizon Lumia Cyan update reverts to 'Under Development' as delay continues | Windows Central

It's Verizon and their apps.  Very stupid on Verizon's part.

LumiaIconUser
Contributor - Level 1

What does it mean? It means we're screwed. It means whatever has to happen to get it working and down to us is not going to happen in the next couple of weeks. Because if we were in the homestretch on it, they wouldn't bother to create a new label called "Under Development." Presumably, the status will also have to change back to "Under Testing" at some point, and we'll (potentially) be right back where we were 4 months ago. This is Microsoft's way of saying "sorry gang, but you're not going to see it any time soon." Until VZW says something to shed more light (not likely), I would assume the worst.

corkwatchr
Contributor - Level 1

The only reason I can think of Verizon wanting the OS or Cyan update to be changed just for them is to support Verizon changing different options or Verizon embedding apps that cannot be uninstalled without illegally unlocking your phone.

I am guessing that Verizon wants special privileges (rights) to install permanent software or the ability to change (turn off) certain OS features that it deems expensive to Verizon (too much bandwidth) or competing with their private apps. They want more control and Microsoft will bend over backwards for them.

Yep - AT&T, with their network, is going to be my next provider come end of contract.

vzwenduser
Contributor - Level 2

I don't mind that Verizon is trying make the quality of the code better or put strict standards on Microsoft, but without giving out details on my credentials, I would consider myself an advanced user, so I would like the option to install what firmware and updates that have come out. So if AT&T is buying the most devices as Tidbits says, I definitely will be eyeing them once my contract comes up too. But I don't think Verizon should have to submit something to their user base, granted I only think their "My Verizon" app is useful, I wouldn't want to be Verizon fielding calls from Novice to Intermediate users who have bought a Windows Phone and for whatever reason use Verizon's apps.

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pa2k4p
Contributor - Level 1

It means WP 7.8 is almost ready for my HTC Trophy!

primortal
Master - Level 1

So we're all focused on Microsoft/Lumia and VZW delaying the Windows Phone 8.1 + Cyan update....

We're leaving out HTC 8X and the Samsung ATIV SE.  There hasn't been any news after HTC tweet that the 8X was going to get the update in late October.

I can understand no news about the ATIV SE, but if the HTC One M8 is 8.1 compliant than there really shouldn't be any delay releasing the update for the 8X.  It shouldn't have taken HTC this long to port the changes from One M8 firmware/OS to the 8X.

So I think VZW is really screwing with the Windows Phone ecosystem on purpose and not Microsoft.

Tidbits
Legend

On the contrary the 8X delay is in fact HTC. They recently started their beta testing with their evaluate community. They always do a beta prior to submitting anything to Verizon or any carrier for that matter.

barnfish
Enthusiast - Level 2

In the meantime, Microsoft is pushing out 8.1.1 on Dev Preview today, installing it on my Icon now. Only a matter of time before the firmware for cdma Lumias (lumii?) starts showing up for us 'impatient' types. I don't think Verizon is gonna like that too much (likely will interfere with a revenue stream, the real reason Verizon is balking).

Tidbits
Legend

HTC and Motorola does beta testing with the firmware as well. Verizon doesn't care as long it's not their dime.

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MrScottMurphy
Enthusiast - Level 2

I have to say that coming from an Android, I was looking forward to WP8 when I bought the Icon in January.  Soon after I read about 8.1 coming out.  And I waited.  Called VZW and I got the "..coming soon..." response.  Fine.  But no updates.  Zero.  TERRIBLE customer service.  And to sit on the side of the road while Verizon announces all new phones with 8.1 on it zipping by.  Not good.  And did I mention TERRIBLE customer service in not letting us know what's going on? I have been a vzw customer for over 10 years.  This is the WORST experience I've had.  It pains me to say that.  But as well all know, good customer service goes by unrecognized but one tiny slip and it's the end of the world.  So I'll finish here by saying Verizon has been extremely good to me as a customer.  But they've screwed the pooch here in a big way.  I have a terrible taste in my mouth and may have to brush my teeth with a different toothpaste.

DC4000
Contributor - Level 1

Update done by MS.

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Update in your hands.

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penterax
Enthusiast - Level 3

I think what this "Under Development" thing means is that Microsoft decided to help Verizon get its act together, but needed a way to do it that didn't make Verizon look like a bad guy. They wanted to help the whole process, not hinder it by pointing fingers and making people mad and even more reluctant to get the job done than they were.

So the statement gets released "Verizon is making sure everything works correctly with their apps" and Microsoft sends over their team to help.

Hopefully this will speed the process for this update - and maybe it will mean closer ties between Microsoft and Verizon, so that future updates get ironed out by the joint team in a smoother, more efficient, and more timely manner.