Lumia pre-orders off to a good start
ikissfutebol
Enthusiast - Level 2

Apparently no one wants Windows Phones For much of the afternoon, the black Lumia 900 was the best selling AT&T phone on Amazon, followed in second place by the cyan Lumia 900. Only recently has a Samsung Android something taken over first place. At one point, the black 900 was the 5th best selling phone on Amazon, regardless of carrier, with cyan at 6th...I think the black is now 6th and cyan is like 10th.

My mom looks like she'll be dropping Verizon for AT&T to get a Lumia 900 as her first smartphone. This was after wanting an iPhone and then an Android based off of her friends having them. Being the one she calls for her IT needs, I told her I think a Windows Phone makes the most sense because she'll learn Metro now and then know how to use it whenever she gets her next computer (unless her relatively new one dies in ~6 months).

I was surprised when the salesperson at AT&T told us yesterday if she gets the $20 texting plan she'll also be able to make or receive calls to any other mobile number, regardless of carrier, without counting against her minutes. The 900 is a very pretty piece of innovation.

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bkr11
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I'm going to jump on the bandwagon once the Good for Enterprise support for Windows Phone is officially rolled out.  Supposed to be this month, hopefully in conjunction w/ the official Lumia launch. 

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nathy3000
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If Verion isn't going to have the new Nokia Lumia 900, I'm going to change to A&TT. Seriously guys, it's one of the best smartphone of the year and i hope it's going to be available soon for Verizon, it's not, GOOD BYE VERIZON.

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AZSALUKI
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just a hunch....but were all of the other models it was temporarily beating in sales at least a few months old? typically, the newest device will sell the fastest for a short time. what i mean is that i would guess that any make, model or OS device would outsell it's competition when it's brand new and they are months old.

B33
Legend

That's At&t's 4GLTE Flagship phone that hasn't even been released with them yet Supposed to Go out on the 8th of Apr. The same Day At&t is set to Launch it's L.T.E in a Few Cities. If were on Nokia's Radar for this phone it will be about 6 months as i said it's at&t's Flagship phone for L.T.E.. So i don't look to see it on here soon but anything can Change!! Smiley Happy 

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commonsense101
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I left verizon for the galaxy note!

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ikissfutebol
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It was the top selling phone at Amazon for most of the first couple days it was released (and with virtually no promotions). Top selling meaning exactly that... nothing higher. If Amazon carries it and it is an AT&T phone, the Lumia 900 sold more. Last I knew, it fell behind a little bit, but all things considered, there still hasn't really been any promoting... the people at AT&T stores had Lumia spec cheat sheets around their necks when I was there on Saturday last week. I think they'll have a hit on their hands Smiley Happy

I also read on another forum that Launcher 7 for Android has been installed over 1 million times and given 5 stars (I don't know if that's the average rating or something else). If you don't know what Launcher 7 is, it literally makes your Android look almost dead on like a Windows Phone... that's gotta be a pretty good sign, too!

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AZSALUKI
Legend

it is highly rated, but all of the decent launchers get 4.5 stars (which is what it has). it has already been installed on over a million devices though.....so there are definitely some android users that are making their phone look like windows. i have nothing against wp7 and would actually like to see it become successful. i just wish people on this forum understood that it is still a TINY share of the market and verizon simply won't gamble again on such a small share. they got burnt by the last winmo (or whatever it was called) and they couldn't pay people to take the hp palms out of their inventory. they offered early upgrades and GAVE you the palm with FREE unlimited tethering and they were still stuck with inventory. they'll eventually have more windows phones, but i can't blame them for waiting until they can sell more than just a few thousand of the units.

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ikissfutebol
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I agree with you. Windows Phone does have a small market share. On the other hand, what came first...the marketshare or the carrier? One of the two biggest carrier isn't carrying phones, but the marketshare is supposed to grow? If Verizon at least started moving people to GSM, they might have an argument. Two points I want to make:

1) The typical person either goes in to a Verizon store knowing nothing about their choices and rely on the salesmen or are easily swayed by salespeople that are uneducated. I think anyone and everyone will tell you that, unless you're dealing with that "needle in the hay stack" honest salesman that isn't going to sell you the flavor of the week NOR on their own opinions, you walk out with what they, Verizon, wants you to walk out with. If they can't even keep one Trophy in stock plus one for display, Verizon has essentially said we don't want people using this phone on our network. That's why people on this forum are so upset. It's not like webOS that was abandoned by its creator.

This brings me to two...

2) Even if Verizon doesn't want to sell the Trophy and/or a second generation model in store, why not online? True, the Trophy is available online, but it is now $139 or something. At EVERY other carrier there is an option for under $100. AT&T and T-Mobile both have a few options for $99 or less...even less than $49. You can't tell me it costs too much to support the OS... the support people just read a flow-chart to troubleshoot. Give that to any person that can read and follow directions, the phone either gets fixed or needs to be replaced.

You can't tell me that Verizon / Nokia can't work something out so instead of shipping 100,000's of units, they start with a smaller amount. Verizon gets to keep the hundreds/thousands of people that are leaving specifically for the Lumia 900 for any number of reasons. I don't think the majority of people leave if there is a gen 2 device available to them at Verizon. Microsoft and Nokia/HTC/Samsung get another phone in someones hands that will show that off to their friends for the best form of marketing. I at least would be willing to wait a week or two for the phone to get shipped from vendor to Verizon to me. That takes the pressure off Verizon with a Kin or Palm.

And as far as updates go, I don't hear people that get unlocked/unbranded phones ever have issues with not getting updates. Actually, I hear the opposite. Instead of slowing the process or putting some kind of a speed bump in the process, let the vendor firmware and operating system updates that get released go straight to the user as if it was an unbranded phone. Someone that bought the Trophy when it came out and wants to stay with Verizon AND Windows Phone literally has no other option other than wait. I guess this doesn't hurt Verizon, but said customer is no longer locked in for 2 years. Verizon makes WAY more money off contracts than they do off phones... actually, they lose money on the phones regardless (unless it's bought off contract).

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AZSALUKI
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but aren't trophy users still in their 2 year contracts? isn't that phone only a year old (i really don't know)? if it's less than 2 years old, then none of these trophy users are eligible for new devices yet anyway.

also, if the following article has any validity (and i really don't know if it does) then i could see why they are hesitant to get a couple hundred thousand units shipped to them.

http://www.infoworld.com/t/windows-phone/windows-phone-7-sales-numbers-confound-again-184877

like i said, i don't know if the story is accurate, because microsoft and the carriers aren't very forthcoming with real numbers of activations. if MS did ship a couple million units though, and they aren't actually sold, then i'd be hesitant to take on a lot of inventorey as well. and inventory is about volume. they simply can't get a manufacturer to only make a handful of units to see if they will sell. to make it at all cost effective, you have to order in mass bulk.

like i said before, i'd love to see WP devices grow. more competition is always a good thing. i just think verizon will let at&t figure out just how much money and effort they should put into this. if it takes off and market share increases and at&t shows large sales, then i guarantee they'll add more to the lineup. but for now, they have their windows customers in contract for a while so they can let at&t figure out for them if it will be profitable or not. as much as it stinks, the fact is that they don't care if a few customers leave over this. a lot more customers left for the iphone a few years ago and customers leave all the time for other android models. they sell their network. they've never really sold the latest and greatest devices. we got the tbolt a year after sprint got the EVO (basically the same phone). we didn't get the galaxySII (but then got the nexuse, later). we had nothing comparable to the atrix for a long time. it's always seemed to me that other carriers seem to get superior devices earlier than verizon, but they don't seem to mind, and have done pretty well with that business model.

ikissfutebol
Enthusiast - Level 2

Technically, you are right. My understanding is some people got phones in October, but mostly in November of 2010. Since Verizon generally gives you the four months before your actual two years, these people will be ready in the next three months or so.

At T-Mobile, the Lumia 710 is one of the best selling phones.  (source: http://www.tmonews.com/2012/03/t-mobile-and-nokia-see-strong-demand-for-lumia-710/) At all carriers, Windows Phones are among the highest in customer feedback/reviews. Feedback for the Trophy is ahead of the Galaxy Nexus by half a star and equal to virtually all the other "top phones". That tells me that success has to do with sales people and not the actual quality of the phone or anything. Verizon/Sprint "waiting" is code for "we are interested in selling something else". Based on my only social circles, I would never buy an Android because everyone I know that has one tells me how buggy they are, how often they freeze, etc. My better half has an iPhone and it does nothing for me. Instead, a salesperson will tell me that ICS is vastly superior, yet the Nexus has lower ratings than anything on 2.3.X. And it's not like I don't like playing with and customizing technology... I worked in IT for a year before finding a job in the field I actually went to college for and wanted.

That article is old... Two days after that, Nokia came out and stated they have sold well over 1 million Lumia phones. Even this article is 2 1/2 months old.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/248778/nokia_reports_loss_but_sells_more_than_1m_lumia_phones.html

I understand the concept of mass production, but I can't imagine if they made a day or a weeks worth of chips using CDMA over GSM that it would really make a huge difference. I'm not talking about making an entirely new Verizon-specific phone. Take something like the Samsung Focus (I'm assuming it doesn't have exclusivity like the Lumia phones) and by changing the radio, you have a phone that Verizon can use...I'm ignoring the airbrushed Verizon logo because I have to think the actual plants they are assembled at have all carriers readily available and are easy to swap. If it really costs THAT much money to change one piece of hardware for something of the same quality, but operates on a different signal I don't know how/why any of the phones you listed above EVER had a counter-part at AT&T/T-Mobile with a sibling at Sprint/Verizon. Or how the iPhone costs the same if you buy it GSM or CDMA.

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Ringah
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I like a lot of things about WP7 and am sure WP8 will be even better.  I also hope it does well because then some good features could be incorporated into newer Android versions, competition often fosters innovation and everyone wins.  To Azsaluki's point though, there is this http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events/Press_Releases/2012/4/comScore_Reports_February_2012_U.S._Mobil...

I believe the same thing, that Verizon is playing a waiting game to see if the Lumia's are a boom or a bust.

Also, in my continuing crusade against the myth that all androids are buggy,  every phone and every OS experience problems, none are exmpt.  The reason you heard so many stories about buggy droids is pure math, with over 50% of the US smartphones being android, statisically there are also going to be many more with problems.  Get a phone for what it does for you, not based on what other people say.  I personally love my HTC Rezound and wouldn't get rid of it for anything, (until I see HTC's next phone Smiley Happy)

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