Re: Sent Letter to VP and Chief Marketing Officer
rcschnoor
Legend

jimho wrote:

rcschnoor wrote:

SickFreak wrote:

I sent a letter last night - not specifically to get information on a WP7 device, but to just ask to let us customers know what's going on and their tentative plans.  I used an example of the HTC Trophy, and I have no clue if I should just get that (which I don't want) or wait until a possible release of some other future WP7 phone with a slide-out keyboard (like the HTC Arrive.)  I wasn't asking for deep dive particular information or even release dates - just a roadmap to help people plan.

 

I got a call this morning from someone and basically, in a very nice way told me to go fly a kite and that they aren't going to keep us informed on anything until something is actually written in stone.

 

 

Very frustrating.



Well if they did announce something BEFORE it was written in stone, and then didn't follow through, I don't suppose you would complain that they didn't follow through with what they had previously said.

 

Verizon: We are thinking of releasing phone X later this summer.

 

Customer: Great! I am definitely going to wait for that phone.

 

Verizon(3 months later): After further consideration, we have decided not to release phone X.

 

Customer: You mean I waited these last 3 months for NOTHING!!!!!!!! Verizon is horrible!!!!!



@rschnorro - That's a poor excuse to not provide roadmap information . Verizon selectively announces information about certain models- its a marketing decision because they don't want you to wait.

 

Don't you think Verizon deals with and does the same thing from their vendors- there's a difference between commitments, forecasts and roadmaps.... 

 

And what about the customer who buys phone X and three months later phone Y is released with no notice- Now there's a slew of folks that bought phone X who are **bleep** off because they would have waited for phone Y- but since they are locked in for another 21 months, Verizon can give them some empty magnanimous response.

 

The problem is we have two/three choices of carriers- they have a captive audience-  It's an oligopoly-  they need to behave better.



People are going to complain. It doesn't matter what Verizon does. When Verizon announced the iPhone 4 over a month in advance, we had to listen to over a month of complaints from people saying that they shouldn't have to wait until the release date. Since it was announced, they should be able to get it NOW.

 

Same thing with the Thunderbolt. Commercials started appearing about it and the complaints started immediately that it was announced and hadn't been available for purchase.

 

Same thing with the Droid Bionic. It was announced a couple of months ago, is still not available for purchase and there are complaints from people that they cannot purchase it.

 

If Verizon announces a phone far in advance, people will complain that they shouldn't have to wait that long to purchase it.

 

If Verizon doesn't announce a phone until close to the release, people will complain that there wasn't enough lead time from announcing the phone and the release.

 

Lose, lose situation for Verizon. You just seem to be in the latter category. Simple answer is to purchase a phone from the selection that is available at the time of purchase. If you are not happy with the selection, wait until something is available that you are happy with. There will always be something else newer and better coming along. There will always be people unhappy with the phone they have purchased when something better comes along, NO MATTER how much lead time was given before it was made available.

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Re: Sent Letter to VP and Chief Marketing Officer
hopmedic
Contributor - Level 3

rcschnoor wrote:

 

People are going to complain. It doesn't matter what Verizon does. When Verizon announced the iPhone 4 over a month in advance, we had to listen to over a month of complaints from people saying that they shouldn't have to wait until the release date. Since it was announced, they should be able to get it NOW.

 

Same thing with the Thunderbolt. Commercials started appearing about it and the complaints started immediately that it was announced and hadn't been available for purchase.

 

Same thing with the Droid Bionic. It was announced a couple of months ago, is still not available for purchase and there are complaints from people that they cannot purchase it.

 

 


Don't forget the Trophy.  People complained.  :smileywink:

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Re: Sent Letter to VP and Chief Marketing Officer
SickFreak
Specialist - Level 1

rcschnoor wrote:

SickFreak wrote:

I sent a letter last night - not specifically to get information on a WP7 device, but to just ask to let us customers know what's going on and their tentative plans.  I used an example of the HTC Trophy, and I have no clue if I should just get that (which I don't want) or wait until a possible release of some other future WP7 phone with a slide-out keyboard (like the HTC Arrive.)  I wasn't asking for deep dive particular information or even release dates - just a roadmap to help people plan.

 

I got a call this morning from someone and basically, in a very nice way told me to go fly a kite and that they aren't going to keep us informed on anything until something is actually written in stone.

 

 

Very frustrating.



Well if they did announce something BEFORE it was written in stone, and then didn't follow through, I don't suppose you would complain that they didn't follow through with what they had previously said.

 

Verizon: We are thinking of releasing phone X later this summer.

 

Customer: Great! I am definitely going to wait for that phone.

 

Verizon(3 months later): After further consideration, we have decided not to release phone X.

 

Customer: You mean I waited these last 3 months for NOTHING!!!!!!!! Verizon is horrible!!!!!


Yes, I understand, but which is better - information about a possible future releases (kept updated weekly) or no information at all?  If they let us know some information and let customers actually provide feedback, it would be much better than them continuing to do releases in a void.

 

As an IT Manager with over 20 years experience, I use the vendor roadmaps to help me make decisions of what's coming down the pike and what I need to do to plan for it.  The same thing applies here - especially when we're on a 2 year upgrade cycle - do we buy the phone we really don't like now because there's nothing better for the next year+, or wait 2 months for the phone we really want/need?  Since VZW provides absolutely no information, we're forced to make blind decisions.

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Re: Sent Letter to VP and Chief Marketing Officer
SickFreak
Specialist - Level 1

rcschnoor wrote:


People are going to complain. It doesn't matter what Verizon does. When Verizon announced the iPhone 4 over a month in advance, we had to listen to over a month of complaints from people saying that they shouldn't have to wait until the release date. Since it was announced, they should be able to get it NOW.

 

Same thing with the Thunderbolt. Commercials started appearing about it and the complaints started immediately that it was announced and hadn't been available for purchase.

 

Same thing with the Droid Bionic. It was announced a couple of months ago, is still not available for purchase and there are complaints from people that they cannot purchase it.

 

If Verizon announces a phone far in advance, people will complain that they shouldn't have to wait that long to purchase it.

 

If Verizon doesn't announce a phone until close to the release, people will complain that there wasn't enough lead time from announcing the phone and the release.

 

Lose, lose situation for Verizon. You just seem to be in the latter category. Simple answer is to purchase a phone from the selection that is available at the time of purchase. If you are not happy with the selection, wait until something is available that you are happy with. There will always be something else newer and better coming along. There will always be people unhappy with the phone they have purchased when something better comes along, NO MATTER how much lead time was given before it was made available.



There's a HUGE difference between people seeing information on a phone that will be released in a month and getting upset that it's not being released immediately and customers not being allowed information to make in logical decision as to which phone to purchase in a specific timeframe.

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Re: Sent Letter to VP and Chief Marketing Officer
jimho
Enthusiast - Level 2

That was my point- saying they won't announce it because they don't want the complaints is **bleep**- they are going to get them no matter what they do. EVERY technology provider, provides their customers with roadmap information- We know what Dell, Microsoft, Apple, IBM, Cisco, intel, motorola, AMD etc are working towards and we get preview information. We know to some degree what the handset manufacturers are working on- we do not know what Verizon has in its roadmap.

 

Surely, Verizon has an idea of what is in its pipeline for the next 30, 60, 90 and 120 days... sharing that consistently would help people make inteligent decisions, and over long term increase customer satisfactioin and improve loyalty - and make them more competetive. People don't like to change service providers, even if its easy- if there's something they are looking for confirmed at 90 days out, most people will sit tight rather than jump networks.

 

I'm quite happy with my Trophy and I kept it knowing that there will likely be something else in a few months time. Announcing some phones and not others makes it clear that the motivation is marketing, not informing their customers... It's related to the original problem we had waiting in the dark for the Trophy.. we waited for months for an iminent release without a word from Verizon until 1 week before it was actually released. It still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.... I'm a happy windows phone 7 user currently with Verizon, not a happy Verizon customer.

 

.....As long as they treat me like a dumb user, they are just a dumb pipe.

 

 

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Re: Sent Letter to VP and Chief Marketing Officer about crappy service
clfergy
Newbie

  None taken.  I will search a little harder to find a more appropriate forum.  (truthfully though, Verizon has pushed about all the buttons it needs to.  Now they have interupted ability to cruise the net via their phones.  Like they do not make enough off their service in general, now they complain to an open source (the market) and app devs.

 

  Again, I am glad my service contract is all but over.  Another company will be more than happy to take my money I am sure.

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Re: Sent Letter to VP and Chief Marketing Officer about crappy service
William_M
Enthusiast - Level 3

Someone is ALWAYS willing to take your money - the problem is will they return the favor with some kind of decent service or even half-way decent service?  With AT&T the answer is no for me - service is horendous phone selection lame and no unlimited data.  Sprint is just pathetic they are the cheapest service there is besides drug dealer companies like Boost and MetroPCS so good luck with that, you'll definitely get what you pay for.

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Re: Sent Letter to VP and Chief Marketing Officer
zreimer164
Enthusiast - Level 3

How can I contact the VP, as I am a very upset customer !  I have been a loyal customer for years and verizon always told me that if I go over on my minuets that I can call and up my minuets and they will back date that so I dont get an overage charge.  Well I went over on my minuets and I called in.  I should explain that there is this hidden cut off date that they dont tell you about and that there is no way for you to find out, because once you get your bill it is too late, you are done for, like my case.  At any rate, I feel that verizon should have stuck with their word and backdated the charge like they always told me they would do if an overage occurred.  I tried to reason with them and talked with a supervisor, and all they did was read off of a script, using their downgrading computer voice=(  What happened to a little personality !.  If verizon is going to take this position, then I will not be a part of them anymore and I would encourage everone else to as well on the principal of the matter.  Verizon has always been good to me and is a great phone company, the best in my opinion , well until this occurred, I dont know if it was who I talked to, I can imagine that Verizon has changed that much as a company, that they are now willing to just not care about their customers.  Verizon...dont forget about the little people that pay your bills !.  We are all on tight budgets these days, but trying to stick someone with  a large overage charge just so you guys can have a bonus is crazy.  I would encourage everyone out there to take a stand !!!  Tell them I sent you !!

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Re: Sent Letter to VP and Chief Marketing Officer
hopmedic
Contributor - Level 3

Personally, I have done this before.  However, while they have done this, they do not have to.  Unless you see it in your contract, they don't have to do it. 

 

Having worked in a call center as a supervisor in the past, let me tell you that some of the liberties that I could take, I didn't always take, and it depended mostly upon the attitude of the person calling.  You be nice to me, I can cut you some slack.  Act like a jerk and like I owe you something, you're not getting a thing from me.

 

I'm not saying you were a jerk, and I don't want to know whether you were or not.  I'm not going to get into a debate about something I only get one side of - I'm only telling you what my experience has been.  It may be a matter that the person had a bad day, or it may be a matter that Verizon has taken this leeway away from their call takers/supervisors.  Again, they do not have to provide a backdating of your plan (to my knowledge).  They have to follow their contract with you.  Look in your contract.  If you see it there, then you have solid ground to stand on.

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Re: Sent Letter to VP and Chief Marketing Officer
rcschnoor
Legend

zreimer164 wrote:

How can I contact the VP, as I am a very upset customer !  I have been a loyal customer for years and verizon always told me that if I go over on my minuets that I can call and up my minuets and they will back date that so I dont get an overage charge.  Well I went over on my minuets and I called in.  I should explain that there is this hidden cut off date that they dont tell you about and that there is no way for you to find out, because once you get your bill it is too late, you are done for, like my case.  At any rate, I feel that verizon should have stuck with their word and backdated the charge like they always told me they would do if an overage occurred.  I tried to reason with them and talked with a supervisor, and all they did was read off of a script, using their downgrading computer voice=(  What happened to a little personality !.  If verizon is going to take this position, then I will not be a part of them anymore and I would encourage everone else to as well on the principal of the matter.  Verizon has always been good to me and is a great phone company, the best in my opinion , well until this occurred, I dont know if it was who I talked to, I can imagine that Verizon has changed that much as a company, that they are now willing to just not care about their customers.  Verizon...dont forget about the little people that pay your bills !.  We are all on tight budgets these days, but trying to stick someone with  a large overage charge just so you guys can have a bonus is crazy.  I would encourage everyone out there to take a stand !!!  Tell them I sent you !!



There is not a hidden cut off date. It is just your billing period. Check your bill, and it will tell you what dates you are paying service for. The 1st date is the beginning date of your billing period, the 2nd date is the ending date of your billing period. To make any changes(such as backdating) to your account and have them reflected on your next bill bill, you must make those changes before your billing period ends.

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