Sorry I lost Internet connectivity.
A troll is still a troll and you sir are very much a troll or work for Verizon either for pay or for free but you still work to keep people from being upset at Verizon for their gross mismanagement of the Cyan firmware and Windows 8.1 update roll out. I guess it works well for you but some of us would prefer you go else where and "help" others!
Yet you have no evidence to back that up. Speculation being pushed as fact is much a trollish move. Where is the proof that Verizon has the update and it passed everything, and Verizon is withholding the update. FCC will do nothing because you have not shown any evidence. ACLU had proof, when Verizon was blocking tethering apps there was proof and everything was handled in a matter of weeks/months. It's been 6 years of this stuff and FCC has done NOTHING. That speaks VOLUMES. You aren't the first to do this and you will not be the last...
Europe has shown what you want, but your refusal to try it is much to be desired. Be careful for what you wish for. If the FCC regulates updates and ensures no carrier involvement. That would mean Qualcomm can't protect it's patent and have carriers follow their requirements. If something happens with the radio and update because of your device then you can't blame Verizon. If the update breaks your phone then you can't blame Verizon either. Which has proven regardless if carriers are hands on or hands off they'll be blamed. Carriers will more than likely drop their warranty support on behalf of the manufacturer and be more like GameStop, BestBuy, and such outside the 14 days window because those problems are not their problem. You'll end up waiting 2-3 weeks for a refurbished phone, and such too. Think about it...
On top of that if the delay is still there you'd have to blame the manufacturer instead of the carrier and that would further proof my argument...
jharris326 It's forum and post posture 101. Electra plays an important role in the entire ecosystem of the forum. You see, he is always right - and he must always tell you that. And while it's easy to identify that he has a problem - "we" keep it to ourselves because his rambling posts help keep our issues and concerns about the update at the TOP of the forum. So, be kind. Let him go. He serves a purpose.
Then there's Tids. Sorry, but I disconnected with him a long time ago. Girls, gambling, alcohol - I don't know what to suggest. The guy needs some kind of bad habit to cheer him up. Always grumpy yet always has to stay in the mix. Also a rambler... "I know because I am technical", blah, blah, blah. But then again, I appreciate him as he also helps keep our issues at the top of the Windows Phone forum.
And so that there are no accusations about US wasting valuable forum space - I have to ask... Did you complain to the FCC? And if so, did Verizon contact you back yet? And if so, was it by phone or email? And if so, what did they have to say? And if there was conversation, what did you tell Verizon?
I was extremely disappointed to talk to the FCC last Friday to find that all Verizon had to say about my complaint was that there was "no violation". I asked the FCC Rep to read my complaint and she kind of chuckled at both Verizon's response, as well as the content of the email I sent in from Verizon that talked around the update delay and asked me to buy more stuff (accessories).
I have started another post (that I expect Electra and Tids to visit soon) - requesting that those who have been contacted by Verizon regarding their FCC complaint send in a follow up letter/fax TO the FCC stating that the update has still not been received and that you want the FCC to address delays and remedy the situation. It's unfortunate that Verizon wants to talk in circles and avoid addressing the issue. It's even more concerning that Verizon doesn't have the common courtesy to address the situation with their bill paying customers. There are a volume of us with FCC complaints filed about the update delay and it will be critical that the same mass of upset customers/consumers push the FCC to visit this specifically with Verizon.
In the mean time, please let the Boys roll. Post away! Their forum "support" is critical to our community.
Well if we are going by this...
You are like the guy regardless of how many times something that has been done and people tell them it will not work and you need something better or do something different he chooses to keep doing it regardless of how many times he'll fail at doing the same thing.
6 years what you have been doing has FAILED. ACLU had the problem fixed in a matter of weeks, and the privacy lawsuit was done in a matter of months. I think you need to start using your head... Think more like Europe or change your approach. IF anyone actually paid attention you'd see it isn't working.
Trust me the second post you are alluding to was just a waste of time doing a reply.
You just don't get it do you.
"Be as disappointed as you like with the FCC, FTC, Verizon Wireless, FBI, CIA, MI6 or Homeland Security. You are your pest followers still don't see no update, now do you"?
Just keep adding those kook letters and faxes to the FCC. And you can call people trolls all you like but the main crux here is you and your kook followers still cannot show any proof or even any letter from the FCC or any law that says Verizon or any carrier is obligated to give you any device updates outside of your initial device purchase.
So you and jHarris326 can whine and call names all you like. But you both have weak arguments and you still post no proof. Because you don't have any!
And jHarris326 if I was a Verizon wireless employee or troll I would have closed this thread the first time any unsubstantiated claim of updates are required to be given by the carrier or within a certain time frame. So do this THINK!
Have a nice Wednesday
Tidbits - there you go again, spewing lies! As I have already told Elector, I contacted the person at the ACLU regarding the complaint to the FTC and it is still ONGOING! There has not been a decision rendered on this complaint yet, so how can you say "it failed?"
"Be as disappointed as you like with the FCC, FTC, Verzizon Wireless, FBI, CIA, MI6 or Homeland Security. You are your pest followers still don't see no update, now do you?"
That is correct. Now you are finally getting what we are saying! There is STILL NO UPDATE and still NO OFFICIAL WORD FROM VERIZON!
What do you and Tidbits think we are complaining about!? Whether or not complaining will ultimately do any good is irrelevant! We have the right to do it! If we just listened to you and Tidbits and said nothing and took no action, there DEFINITELY would be no change. At least we are attempting to make change. At least we are standing up for what we believe in.
If our founding fathers just accepted the taxes of the British King, would we be the most powerful nation on earth that we are now? Would we have the freedom to post on this forum that we have now?
Try all you want to get us to stop complaining, but it won't work. We are well within our rights to complain about something that affects us personnally. Regardless of who is at fault, regardless of whether or not you like it, and ESPECIALLY regardless of whether or not it ultimately results in change! At least we are trying and not sitting on the sidelines taking up for a company whose policies, in our view, negatively affect us, whether that company be Verizon, Microsoft, Nokia or Peanut Palace Inc.!
Who are you and Tidbits to say that any of us should not attempt to make change to a policy that we believe isn't working for us? Who are you to say "we are wrong" when you can't even grasp this simple fact. We want change! We want the software/firmware update policies of the carriers to change. We want it better, we want it faster, we want more transparancy! If we can demand that of our government, we sure as heck can demand it of carriers!
So, please stop trolling everyone and giving your stupid reasons for us to "stop complaining," because we won't. We will remain firm in our resolve to affect these changes, even if we have to complain to the FCC, FTC, CIA, FBI, Congress, Senate, Vice-President, President or Ronald McDonald!
Have a good day!
I would love to know what other internet forums these two are haunting. I imagine electra is holding forth on some vintage campaign button collector's forum, having the last word on a heated argument about the forward-slash vs. the back-slash (e.g. Bush/Cheney vs. Bush\Cheney).
Tids is probably over on the Natural/Homeopathic Dog Treats forum telling everyone how futile it is to make your own dog treats and/or demanding proof of some change in nutritional content that another forum member was letting everyone know about.
Thanks for spending your valuable time here setting us straight!
Meanwhile, VZW, what's the holdup on Cyan/8.1?
I am not against you complaining. You have the right I never said you didn't.
I said your complaining will do no good. I base this on a few facts.
1- There is no law or regulation that states Verizon or any carrier has to update your device.
2- The FCC complaints are just being deflected to Verizon and Verizon states the truth that they have not violated anything.
3- All the complaining is still not getting that update. Early, late or otherwise. All these posts are proving that.
Its not just your rights to an opinion but mine and others who do not agree with you to post opposite opinions. It seems the rights you say our founding fathers fought for don't apply to me or others with that descending opinion.
Then notice how the people that disagree with your opinions and stance on the issue are called names.
Just look at some of the posts from your side of the issue. Read them.
So when logic or common sense cannot prevail some of your group resort to name calling. Tell me if you personally believe if that makes any posting or arguments from your group valid? They don't.
If this issue was on Android or iOS I would still be saying the same. So as windows phone owners/users I don't take offense in your device selections, I take offense that there is a way to complain and it should be based on facts.
Saying Verizon or any carrier has to update your device or my device or as you said "Ronald McDonald" is totally not true. Your complaint to Verizon and other groups would seem is not really working. (Your meaning all the complaining posters not just you)
My father use to say "You can't beat a dead horse to make it be alive" its dead.
Have a nice afternoon.
And again, I say, what difference does it make? Whether the complaints are based on facts or not is relevant to your point of view. For example, you and Tidbits keep saying that what has been persued in the past has done no good, when in fact, you can't say that because they are still ongoing. How can you say "its a fact that these complaints have done no good" when no result has been determined yet?.
Also, whether the complaining will actually do any good or not is irrelevant to the cause. As I've stated before trying to change is better than sitting idolly by doing nothing.
And, I have stated in the past, you have every right to make your comments as I do, so please don't put words in my mouth attempting to make me out to say otherwise. Read my previous posts if you don't believe me.
We may not be able to "beat a dead horse", but how will you know its really dead if you don't beat it?