Last night I was reading over some of my forum posts and some of the responses I have seen. With the exception of Verizon contacting F-Tom about his petition, we have not heard much from Verizon regarding WP7. Or have we? I decided to drop a few notes to the Windows Phone Product Manager and Nokia regarding Verizon; the future of WP7 with them, how to get their attention, etc.
The Facebook and Email responses from Derek Snyder and Nokia can be found below. Both seem to indicate that things could be in the works and progressing at "Verizon Speed". For many years, I was a BlackBerry/Verizon subscriber. Every BlackBerry phone release would hit the other vendors first, while Verizon would "test" the handsets - or so they would claim. Typical release cycles for the new BlackBerry phones would be 30 to 90 days behind the rest of the carriers. Perhaps that is what we are seeing here? Derek Snyder seems to indicate network concerns that Verizon is having (thank you very little iPhone) and that they want to be sure about future handsets and 4G LTE. Nokia also indicated that "carrier tests" could be a reason for the delay. I think that Verizon "kind of" said that they wanted to hear about 4G LTE from Microsoft. They never came out and said "no" or "no interest" like Sprint.
We also have to give Verizon credit for where they are today with WP7. They carry as many Windows Phones today as Sprint and almost as many as TMobile. The Trophy is a nice phone. Fast, reliable, nice size, nice screen, etc. Also note that Verizon is being pro-active in pushing out subscriber updates for the OS and device.
There seemed to be a lot of focus on the forum about what Verizon is not doing or saying. We may be mistaken. Maybe we need to be better listeners? Been there, seen that with Verizon and BlackBerry.
From Derek Snyder - Microsoft Product Manager for Windows Phones Worldwide:
Hi Derek. I am an old friend and neighbor of Joe Belfiore. Just like you and Joe, I caught on to this Windows Phone a few years ago at the MS Partner Conference in DC. Unfortunatly, I am a Verizon subscriber and not feeling the love for WP7 from Big Red. Any advice on how to get more attention? We have been hitting the customer forums pretty hard and have a pretty sizable petition for WP7 devices out there as well. Any advice or direction would be appreciated. Best of luck to you and please give my best to Joe if you see him in the near future.
MadDogFL62 - Clearwater, FL
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After the 900 annoucement at CES, I had sent e-mails to both Stephen Elop from Nokia, and Steve Ballmer at Microsoft. I got responses, but can't be to sure if it was actually them that responded personally. With Stephen, we shared two different emails on Verizon/CDMA Windows Phone devices:
Stephen Email 1
Sorry, we can't share all future product plans with you, but it is our intent to serve the widest variety of customers in the US as we move forward.
Stephen Email 2
Just for clarity, we announced in October that we will be supporting CDMA in 2012, although we have not made specific announcements about with which operators and when, so there is no issue with CDMA support. And for a variety of competitive reasons, neither ourselves nor operators want to announce some of what you would like to see announced until we are closer to actual dates.
Thanks for the continued interest.
Ballmer Email - now, this wasn't an email questioning Verizon, it was me questioning if Microsoft and it's partners just plan on neglecting CDMA customers with WP7. His response was short and sweet, which makes me think it was him personally.
We also love cdma and will push the partners
Sent from my Windows Phone
Don't be a tool.
TM has 4 great WP7 devices. HD7, Dell Venue Pro and two 4G "mango" models the HTC Radar and Nokia 710. Plus any at&t WP7 can be unlocked to work on TM also with 2G data (fine if you are in the office/wifi and want a great "phone").
TM 3G and 4G is faster than VZW cdma.Also you can do voice and data at once (talk while using a gps for example).
The MS guys spoke down to you with nonsensical answers also. Verizon and ATT, etc. LTE phones won't work on each other's network!!! Verizon wouldn't even activate it if they did going by past history. (Verizon won't activate a sprint cdma phone for VZW)
Even worse for Verizon and customers is that for the next decade VZW LTE phones must have a 3G and 2G cdma chipset (which ATT phones dont' require) adding expense and complexity. Plus a GSM radio if it's to be a world phone (3G/Edge).
It is no different that AT&T and T-Mobile uses two radios as well. 2G(GSM voice/data) works just like CDMA can't do voice and data at the same time, and WCDMA(data which is a CDMA offspring).
You need to learn more about current LTE verizon phones... They all only have two radios... Only the Thunderbolt had 3.
3G has been popular and widespread on GSM before iPhone shipped (as a non-3G phone).
You are spreading misinfo if you think VZW will magically get all the latest LTE devices. ROTFLMAO. Not going to happen
Also talk and gps is a poor example. I can do that with any Android and iPhone... even a wp7 device. You need to say something like call and surf the web without wifi... Then that is a moot point when Verizon completes their LTE network YEARS before any other carrier(except Sprint, but they won't own 100% of that network).