Re: Who wants a premier offer for WP10?ie Lumia 950,950xl
SickFreak
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bbrackeen wrote:

I'm out, I'll be moving to AT&T. Its too little too late. I don't *want* a Verizon custom version with apps I'll never use or even want. I want the version unmolested from Microsoft. If they don't know at this point what they are going to do, and say silly things like "we have an eye on Windows 10.. har har har...", you've already lost me, and I'm gone.

AT&T have already come out and made a statement the 950 will be on their network day one. That's all I need to hear.

I agree.. If VZW does finally come out with a customized version that they added all their own crippleware to, I won't use it.  Could you imaging if our ISPs demanded that we buy computers from them with their own hacked versions of an OS?

Re: Who wants a premier offer for WP10?ie Lumia 950,950xl
SickFreak
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JohnGalt1717 wrote:

Thanks! You in NH by chance?

The reason I'm making the assertion is that the hardware supports CDMA and Band 13 natively (808/810 chipset). So for them to not be listed means that they're disabled in firmware by Microsoft.

The reason why they would have to be disabled and just have a note on the site that Verizon won't support the phones is because Band 13, by FCC auction rules is open. It cannot have SIM locked devices and must allow 3rd party devices on it. That's what Verizon agreed to when they won the auction. So if MS had the devices unlocked and supporting CDMA and Band 13 Verizon would be risking FCC action if they prevented the device from going on their network.

Thus since this is intentional on MS's part all you have to do is follow why. The only logical reason is that Verizon said either disable it or we won't negotiate to sell it. (They'll note doubt negotiate for their on variant with a stupid Verizon logo everywhere they possibly can have it.)

No, I'm not in NH.  If you are, then I'm actually closer to Galt's Gulch than you are though.:D  A is A!

Can you please provide an authoritative link showing that the chipset supports Band 13?  I haven't ran across it yet.

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Re: Who wants a premier offer for WP10?ie Lumia 950,950xl
SickFreak
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Thread on Windows Central discussing this:

Windows Central Forums

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Re: Who wants a premier offer for WP10?ie Lumia 950,950xl
Tidbits
Legend

All current Qualcomm radio chips support all the spectrum. However there are other hardware that has to be considered. You can use Qualcomm tools to turn them on however the phone will not transmit nor receive said signal.

Then you also have to consider FCC regulation.

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Geminiman
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All of the current QUALCOMM chips are complete integrated sets. That means they include the baseband. When a chip includes the baseband, the antennas connect directly to the chip. This lowers power usage.

Given that the antennas 100% will work just fine for Band 13 (700 band C in old terminology and it already supports Band A and B in the 700 MHz block) it already has all of the hardware it needs.

As for the FCC there's no way that they blocked Band 13 and only band 13 but allowed all of the rest, and they have nothing to say about turning on CDMA in the chip.

Thus the firmware is disabling Band 13 and CDMA.  QED

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Re: Who wants a premier offer for WP10?ie Lumia 950,950xl
Geminiman
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Colorado eh? (Canadian originally eh?)

See the specs here for CDMA compatibility proof: Snapdragon 810 Processors with X10 LTE Specs and Details | Qualcomm

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/qualcomm-snapdragon-810-processor-powers-premium-tier-mobile...

Note the "Broad support"

Then go here: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Yes-the-Nexus-6P-and-Nexus-5X-will-work-on-Verizon-and-Sprint_id74239

Note that they both support Verizon and sprint. Why? Because they use the 808 and 810 chipsets which include the baseband. Given that it's the chip + antennas only, QED. (The reason QUALCOMM doesn't release the exact bands is because both chips are software upgradable to enable additional bands.)

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Re: Who wants a premier offer for WP10?ie Lumia 950,950xl
SickFreak
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NolMac wrote:

This is too funny. You have their undivided attention. FYI I copy and pasted both statements.

I think the translation is: We're going to string customers along as long as we can.

We just need to look back in history and see how VZW has dealt with Windows phones.  Mostly low end, and then when they allowed the Icon, it was a debacle with Denim/Cyan and then they dumped it.

Re: Who wants a premier offer for WP10?ie Lumia 950,950xl
Tidbits
Legend

Negative sir  go you at the FCC tramp stamps. FCC had to test the spectrum and pass the spectrum. Also you are wrong about the antenna and such being integrated. If you can get your hands on Qualcomm tools you will find out there is more required. When you look at the iphone, the HTC devices and even the Nexus devices they have antennas for a reason. Shoot look at every tear down of every device in the past 3 years when the "one in all solution was released" 

If it was specifically on the cast itself then the RF shielding would be a bane for the device and cause fundamental design flaws, and could very well fail FCC testing easily.

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Re: Who wants a premier offer for WP10?ie Lumia 950,950xl
Geminiman
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They would have failed the entire phone. And yes, unlike most other designs including the IPhone, the Qualcomm 810's main claim to fame is that the baseband is integrated and thus hooks directly to the antenna. Most phones prior to the 80x series required a separate baseband for LTE (CDMA, GSM etc. was integrated) and thus drew way more power.

Given that the Nexus 5x and 6p use the same chipset and support it and NOTHING else is required to make it work, it's obvious that it's disabled in firmware.

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Re: Who wants a premier offer for WP10?ie Lumia 950,950xl
Tidbits
Legend

Like I said get your hands on Qualcomm tools and you will see its not that simple is all I can say. It works for some phones but not all phones as there is more to it than that.

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