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Re: Windows 10 upgrade
dug_b
Member

So...when did you say Verizon was pushing out the Windows 10 Mobile update for the phones on Verizon Wireless because the other providers have pushed it out to their customers that chose to purchase Windows phones.  And its curious that when shopping in the store the displays have windows 10 mobile on they as do the advertisements.  I'm not trying to be smart; I have been a Verizon Wireless customer for sometime and can't understand why a company would ignore a group of its customer base, though be it a small part.

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Re: Windows 10 upgrade
dexman
Sr. Member

There are a few reasons being offered up to explain what we are seeing as it pertains to Windows Mobile phones and Verizon Wireless.

When it comes to the Lumia 550, 650, 950 and 950XL, the inability to use the phones on VZW & Sprint is Microsoft's own doing. Microsoft has admitted that it is taking a restricted approach in the short term for mobile phones. It is widely thought that this means no CDMA variants of new Lumias will be offered and users will have to wait until the Surface phone arrives.

On Verizon Wireless's end, the company is more concerned with the two major OSs on the market. Thus Windows phones and BlackBerry devices get pushed to the background.

Microsoft also wants to deliver updates directly to users. That is something that might not be sitting well with Verizon Wireless. Right now, people who sign up for Insider Updates for their Lumia 735 will be get W10M long before it is released through Verizon Wireless.

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Re: Windows 10 upgrade
topher36
Member

"When it comes to the Lumia 550, 650, 950 and 950XL, the inability to use the phones on VZW & Sprint is Microsoft's own doing."  That is absolutely not true.  I think what we are seeing with the Lumia 735 proves me right.  There is no logical reason why Verizon hasn't officially released the Window 10 Mobile upgrade other than Verizon continues to put up roadblocks when it comes to Microsoft.  If Verizon would just allow the Lumia 550, 650, 950 and 950XL on their network, we would be able to buy one today and activate it on their network.  I believe one of the issues is the fact that Microsoft wants to be able to push updates out to users without Verizon's explicit approval. Verizon does not like that.  AT&T is allowing Microsoft to do just that, and that is why you see the new Lumias available on the AT&T network.

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Re: Windows 10 upgrade
topher36
Member
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Re: Windows 10 upgrade
dexman
Sr. Member

Microsoft never submitted any of the phones for CDMA certification. The LTE  bands active in the phones are complete mismatches to the ones  Verizon Wireless and Sprint use. How can Verizon Wireless block devices that were never designed to operate on its network in the first place?

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Re: Windows 10 upgrade
dexman
Sr. Member

Also, if Verizon Wireless blocked phones that were CDMA certified, the FCC would be all over Verizon Wireless, levy fines and, possibly, revoke licenses. Tidbits has spelled this out many times in other topics.

Bottom line....Microsoft is sidestepping VZW and Sprint for now.

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Re: Windows 10 upgrade
eks1910
Member

I’m pretty sure that Apple pushes out their updates with having to wait for any carrier to give the thumbs up, I say this knowing that my daughter has an iPhone and the day that Apple announces that they have a new iOS update, she can download it and install it, so waiting for Verizon to make sure it will work on their network. I agree that Verizon is more concerned with Apple iPhone and Android phones then Windows and or Blackberry

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Re: Windows 10 upgrade
eks1910
Member

That should read *without having to wait - not with...

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Re: Windows 10 upgrade
Tidbits
Sr. Leader

Actually that's a placebo. All carriers are required to join ADC and do their testing. Apple doesn't push out any updates until all their devices get the green light. The iPod should always be finished first and always has. You can join ADC ($99 a year) and you can see it. When all are done Apple picks a date and pushes it all at once.  So in essence it gives you the illusion

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Re: Windows 10 upgrade
47seijar
Sr. Member

Apple releases iOS updates directly, NOT the carriers. Apple may consult with the carriers but it's Cupertino that decides when to release a new version of iOS or a minor update. "Here's what we're doing, and it's coming on the 25th. Ready or not, here it comes!"  Apple established this new paradigm when the first iPhone was released exclusively on AT&T. It broke the mold of allowing carriers the final say on controlling the operating system of your phone. It was only the insane popularity of the iPhone that gave Apple the leverage to insist on controlling all updates. But it's all Apple when it comes to iOS updates.

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