FROYO IS ON THE WAY- AND YA'LL ARE STILL COMPLAINING!

If this doesn't just beat all! The opensource code has been released from Samsung, Verizon has stated they will be doing a push (OTA) for the Froyo 2.2 update on a random basis....and everyone is still unhappy! I would have thought there would have been a little more happiness and excitement in the air this morning! Come on, people, don''t worry - be happy! :smileyhappy:

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JohnB_VZW

Verizon Wireless will begin pushing Android 2.2, Froyo, to the Samsung Fascinate tomorrow. Enhancements include support for Adobe Flash Player. Customers can visit www.verizonwireless.com/fascinatesupport for more information and download instructions for the software update. Customers will be able to download the update manually starting tomorrow by going to Settings > About Phone > Update Phone.

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NuDroidUsrr

techlife2 wrote:
If this doesn't just beat all! The opensource code has been released from Samsung, Verizon has stated they will be doing a push (OTA) for the Froyo 2.2 update on a random basis....and everyone is still unhappy! I would have thought there would have been a little more happiness and excitement in the air this morning! Come on, people, don''t worry - be happy!

I know the Source code was released, where is there anything about Verizon officially doing the update? If I see the notification, I will be happy as a clam.

Who is still complaining?

FrankP

techlife2

I know the Source code was released, where is there anything about Verizon officially doing the update? If I see the notification, I will be happy as a clam.

Who is still complaining?

I am the one who said Verizon is offically pushing the Froyo update - the confirmation I have is in an e-mail I received from Verizon - please believe me. If I could figure out how to get the e-mail off my phone and on to this forum, I would do it! Sorry, but that is best I can do!

FrankP

forward the email to me and I will get it posted here.{edited for privacy}

nickjr

techlife2 wrote:
I know the Source code was released, where is there anything about Verizon officially doing the update? If I see the notification, I will be happy as a clam.
Who is still complaining?

I am the one who said Verizon is offically pushing the Froyo update - the confirmation I have is in an e-mail I received from Verizon - please believe me. If I could figure out how to get the e-mail off my phone and on to this forum, I would do it! Sorry, but that is best I can do!

Try copy and paste, that should do it..

TEDKORD1968

nickjr wrote:
techlife2 wrote:
I know the Source code was released, where is there anything about Verizon officially doing the update? If I see the notification, I will be happy as a clam.
Who is still complaining?

I am the one who said Verizon is offically pushing the Froyo update - the confirmation I have is in an e-mail I received from Verizon - please believe me. If I could figure out how to get the e-mail off my phone and on to this forum, I would do it! Sorry, but that is best I can do!
Try copy and paste, that should do it..

Yeah, even the iPhone can do that now. (Oh, no he didn't)

techlife2

Here is my "inside information" :

4/15/11

Thank you for contacting our Verizon Wireless website. We understand your frustration with not having a set date on when the firmware update for Android Operating System (OS) 2.2 will be available for the Samsung Fascinate. We are happy to assist you with checking for updates for the Samsung Fascinate.

We appreciate your interest in our products and services. Based on the information provided, you are aware that Verizon Wireless has received the latest firmware update from Samsung. The firmware update is pushed to Samsung Fascinate users to ensure the network is not overloaded with downloading the update. Currently we do not have a specific date of when the push will be received by your device as it is random. If you would like to manually check the Samsung Fascinate for the latest update, please use the link below for instructions:

DonM

I guess now we are all waiting for the first one to come into the board jumping and screaming that they got OTA Froyo :smileyvery-happy:

Tarrant

I'm not going to be very well-liked after this post, but it needs to be said. :smileyhappy:

To all those who gang up to spew vitriol and anger at us few who claim an official Froyo release is NOT, in fact, imminent: many of you are making a series of logical errors and unwarranted assumptions. While I'd very much like to be as positive and upbeat about Froyo as the rest of you, I can't, and I've got nearly 9 months of history to point to as the reason for my position.

I remind you that today, 18 April 2011, there is NO more substantive information available concerning a Froyo update for the Fascinate than there was on 18 September 2010, despite explicit promises that it'd be released "no later than the end of the year [2010]." Not ONE additional piece of information. Zero. Zilch. Nada. There has been no effort at all on VZW's part to communicate to consumers over the entirety of this timeframe.

Thus, the reason for the consistent optimism isn't new, credible information, since we have no such thing: rather, people simply tend to get optimistic en masse every time there's a new leaked version of Froyo (several of which, I point out, have been for the Mesmerize and not specifically for the Fascinate, but very talented devs have made magic happen...). Looking back to the early 4th quarter of last year, going forward, you can actually watch this process repeat itself: a leak, subsequent optimism and anger at those who don't share in that optimism, eventual disillusionment and a period of calm before the cycle repeats. This has happened many times and it's documented in a half dozen forums for all to see.

For any number of reasons, whether all the bad PR thanks to Froyogate, et al, or something other reason, now Samsung has decided to post long-awaited source code, and we see the cycle repeating itself. People are haughtily saying "uhhh, heh, if you knew -anything- about the way this market works, you'd know that source code is -always- posted just before an OTA release, heh," as though there's all the reason in the world to be optimistic despite no new credible information at all from VZW.

Correlation is not causation, folks. We don't know why Samsung decided to post the source code prior to any new announcement from Verizon: for all we know, it may have only been a defensive measure so that angry Fascinate owners can direct their outrage toward VZW, where it apparently belongs. Likewise, we have no credible information about what precisely is holding up Verizon -- we've heard rumors of a contract with Microsoft regarding Bing, but frankly, none of us knows for sure. There is no indication at all that Samsung's providing this code means VZW will soon be pushing an official update: that's called an unwarranted assumption.

Worse, many of you, betraying your never having taken a course in logic in your lives, are quick to say "well, you can't prove it's NOT coming out any more than we can prove it is!" as though that somehow justifies an optimistic position. To those who've used this line, I politely remind you that the burden of proof lies with those making a claim. You claim that a Froyo release is imminent. We make no claim at all: We simply point to the fact that the evidence is [totally] lacking. You can't prove a negative, and to make the suggestion that a person can or should prove a negative is a logical fallacy. The moment we see evidence from VZW that a Froyo release is imminent, we will be overwhelmingly happy to join you in celebration. Until that time, we'll continue to be highly skeptical of -any- suggestion that 2.2 is "just around the corner."

I truly hope an update is eventually released. I really do. But I can't think of anything more sad than, should another 6 months pass, browsing these and other forums only to see precisely the same kind of blind optimism and disdain for those who point out the facts. Think about that.

Best,

DonM

Welll. I still like you Tarrent.

Granted I have an optimistic outlook, If you knew me in RL you would see the same outlook in my everyday endeavors, it's my nature, despite a few non-optimism inducing events over the years.

As far as Samsung releasing the source code, there does seem to be a correlation between code release and phone updates, sometimes it isn't immediate. I am hoping the OTA release is sooner rather than later or not at all. True, I don't know but that's the way I roll. I have made some frustrated posts here but throughout it all I was hoping for the update...there is that annoying optimism again.

"Worse, many of you, betraying your never having taken a course in logic in your lives, are quick to say "well, you can't prove it's NOT coming out any more than we can prove it is!" as though that somehow justifies an optimistic position."

I'm pretty sure that logic would indicate that it doesn't justify a pessimistic position either. We don't know...either position is as justified or not as the other in the absence of evidence... but the fact that all other GS phones have been updated and Verizon has said the Fascinate will be too sort of throws the weight of logic toward the possibility there will be an update.

Tarrant

DonM wrote:
Welll. I still like you Tarrent.

Granted I have an optimistic outlook, If you knew me in RL you would see the same outlook in my everyday endeavors, it's my nature, despite a few non-optimism inducing events over the years.

As far as Samsung releasing the source code, there does seem to be a correlation between code release and phone updates, sometimes it isn't immediate. I am hoping the OTA release is sooner rather than later or not at all. True, I don't know but that's the way I roll. I have made some frustrated posts here but throughout it all I was hoping for the update...there is that annoying optimism again.

"Worse, many of you, betraying your never having taken a course in logic in your lives, are quick to say "well, you can't prove it's NOT coming out any more than we can prove it is!" as though that somehow justifies an optimistic position."

I'm pretty sure that logic would indicate that it doesn't justify a pessimistic position either. We don't know...either position is as justified or not as the other in the absence of evidence... but the fact that all other GS phones have been updated and Verizon has said the Fascinate will be too sort of throws the weight of logic toward the possibility there will be an update.

Point taken, Don. To some degree, it all boils down to a matter of attitude.

To be clear, my intent isn't to attack those who're adamant that the release is on the way. But... after lurking here and elsewhere, I get the impression that not everybody reflexively shares that sentiment for those of us who feel it ain't coming. This isn't Disneyland, and there's no reason why we all need to join hands and share in the happy optimism that some old cynics like myself feel is unwarranted. Differences in opinions and healthy debates are things to be celebrated. Here's to hoping my first post doesn't end up in banishment. :smileytongue:

techlife2

Tarrant said:

"Correlation is not causation" (just because something similar has transpired, doesn't necessarily give foundation for optimism) - vitriol (anger, wrath), and "whole bunch" of well-written words of self-expression makes a strong case for the existing situation - nothing knew about the upgrade to Froyo! So true yet, optimism beats the hell out of pessimism. Whereas the negative seems to be short-lived, the positive tends to be ever-lasting in nature....

wgragg1

Tarrant,

You make some good points and it is not unreasonable to try to modify some over-optimism with the possibility that we can be wrong; however, my personal complaint is with those, who like Sandystorm, have stated emphatically that there will never be a Froyo release for the Fascinate and who had no evidence to back up that claim. Yes, it is impossible to prove a negative, but when one states something as truth, it just begs to be challenged by asking for proof. Granted, the ultimate proof that it is not coming out is either a statement to that effect by the companiies involved, or the fact that it never comes out. The first has not happened, and the second cannot happen until a specific endpoint in the life cycle of the phone is reached.

I think the mistake people make is taking comments and rumors as fact, even if they won't admit that they are doing so. On the other hand, the release of source code is a positive sign that would naturally elicit optimism. After all, the question arises of why would a company like Samsung bother to post the source code if they were not going to release an update? On most occasions, source code releases were followed shortly by executable releases. It would not make sense to make public source code for a release that is not planned to be deployed.

Now, I could be wrong on this one, but having been a programmer for many years (though not in the wireless industry), I have my doubts that Samasung developed the source code in isolation. My suspicion is that they worked in conjunction with VZW to create it and would not have released it if it was not stable and ready to roll. My suspicion is also that VZW has already been testing it, but again, I could be wrong.

In any case, there is cause for optimism, but if these people get disappointed again, I have a feeling their anger will be hotter than it has been in the past.

freshjewbagel

Please hold for a Verizon Wireless sales representative to assist you with your order. Thank you for your patience.

You are now chatting with 'Beonka'

Beonka: Hello. Thank you for visiting our chat service. May I help you with your order today?

josh: yes

josh: i am thinking about buying a samsung fascinate

josh: what are the benefits that it has over other android phones?

Beonka: Are you an existing Verizon Wireless Customer?

josh: no

Beonka: The Samsung Fascinate comes with BING search but is also powered by Android and gives you access to the Android Market. Also, The Fascinate has the ability to become a hotspot and also has a 5MP camera and with flash

josh: can it run adobe flash?

Beonka: Yes, It can run Adobe Flash

josh: really?

Beonka: That is correct

josh: i thought adobe flash was only supported on android phones running android os 2.2 or higher?

Beonka: Yes, The Fascinate has received Android 2.2 through a system update and can run Adobe Flash, the site has not updated that at this time

josh: are you sure? i have not seen any news of an OTA update for the fascinate, is there an official verizon press release?

Beonka: Yes I am sure

Beonka: I have double checked my sources to be certain

josh: i am still not convinced, is there official documentation?

Beonka: As mentioned, It is not available online because the site has not been updated

josh: hmmm

Beonka: If you are still not convinced, you can try one of our devices online that does state it has 2.2 is Adobe Flash is an important feature such as the Droid X, HTC Thunderbolt and the Droid 2 Global, But I am certain the Fascinate has 2.2

gernerttl

techlife2 wrote:
If this doesn't just beat all! The opensource code has been released from Samsung, Verizon has stated they will be doing a push (OTA) for the Froyo 2.2 update on a random basis....and everyone is still unhappy! I would have thought there would have been a little more happiness and excitement in the air this morning! Come on, people, don''t worry - be happy!

I'm happy...does that count? My phone works just fine with 2.1_update and it will work just fine with 2.2... :smileyvery-happy:

rrman1219

Techlife2,

There would probably be some happiness and/or excitement if Verizon would acknowledge to all of its Fascinate customers that 2.2 is in fact available. VZ lied to all of us to get us to purchase the phone advising that an update was right around the corner when in fact we have waited for a year and still no update. Where is the announcement that the update is available? Show me on my account page or on a Verizon internet announcement that it is available. Problem is you will not find it. So, don’t tell us to be happy and/or excited until Verizon acknowledges their mistakes. VZ defrauded each one of its Fascinate customers by lying to us in the store that the update would be available in days.

Further, VZ is going to push out the update OTA? Uh, no! Why is the rest of the world downloading the update through Samsung Kies? If 2.2 went out OTA, VZ’s network would crash instantly due to the file size.

Stop leading people on and talk facts! Have VZ post on my account page or send me info that the update is available and I will be happy and excited ALL day long. Until then, it is all hear-say!

mdram4x4

theupdate will be ota

it will be staggered, not everyone will get it at once. they stagger all the updates.

there are too many people that have no clue how to even copy a file to the phone, let alone run keis for an update

then add those they may not have high speed(or any internet)

rrman1219

mdram4x4,

You are right that most would not be able to download from Kies. Still, I will not believe VZ until they officially advise the update is available.

PJNC284

rrman1219 wrote:

Further, VZ is going to push out the update OTA? Uh, no! Why is the rest of the world downloading the update through Samsung Kies? If 2.2 went out OTA, VZ’s network would crash instantly due to the file size.

Because the Fascinate doesn't have a Kies mode so Mini Kies won't work. It's the same for the Epic 4G on Sprint. Sprint rolled it out OTA and made it available on Samsung's website via an update.zip that could be flashed via recovery. A likely 150-200MB+ file over verizon 3G is probably the most ineffective method ever. Not sure why they insist on limiting it to only 3G and not allowing wifi downloads.

PJNC284

It begins

VerizonWireless Verizon Wireless
#Froyo update for #Samsung Fascinate begins tomorrow! Get all the froyo info here
VerizonWireless Verizon Wireless #Froyo update for #Samsung Fascinate begins tomorrow! Get all the froyo info here

http://support.vzw.com/pdf/system_update/samsung_fascinate.pdf

And looks like it'll just be OTA via push and pull. Now you just gotta hope you don't have one of those phones that don't like to update. :smileyhappy:

http://support.vzw.com/pdf/system_update/samsung_fascinate_instructions.pdf

mdram4x4

what if i dont want to upgrade :smileyhappy:

frightking

So silly question, since I am new to all this, I see that they say there IS an update to 2.2 available on Verizon. I follow the steps for the update but my phone says there is NO update available. Am I doing something wrong or is it that the update is not technically available at this moment? Also can someone tell me or point to a site that can tell me what are the differances between 2.1 and 2.2 besides speed?

Excited as all get out for an update..........

PJNC284

You missed the initial part of the post saying it doesn't start until tomorrow. And even tomorrow, it may still show that there isn't an update available because of how they're staggering the update. If you don't have it by next Friday, then I'd worry.

frightking

So one more stupid question: What will this do for video streaming? Will there possibly be a Netflix app (such as the I-phone has) or is that just another pipe dream?

tonytodd

No, but you can download an app called Playon in the android market, but you must have froyo.

nickjr

mdram4x4 wrote:
theupdate will be ota
it will be staggered, not everyone will get it at once. they stagger all the updates.

there are too many people that have no clue how to even copy a file to the phone, let alone run keis for an update
then add those they may not have high speed(or any internet)

I agree wholeheartedly... It would be so much easier for Verizon to allow users to d/l from their website and install it from there, but again you have users who don't how to copy and paste, so this makes the most logical sense however, it can also cause trouble with the servers connecting to the users phone since it will be coming at 3gspeeds which can take sometime depending where you are located at.

JohnB_VZW

Thanks

ChaunceyM_VZW

frightking

Hmm very interesting, and I know this is NOT the proper forum, but seems kind of like a crappy deal that I have to pay for Netflix and pay again for Playon. I mean I will probably do it until another solution comes along, but still seems crappy. But all and all YIPPY 2.2 FOR MY PHONE IS HERE.

Jax_Omen

Yeah I used the update.zip for my girlfriend's Epic. If VzW doesn't officially offer an update.zip I'm sure someone on xda will pack up the official update as an update.zip that can be installed from recovery.

Kies only works on the GSM models, which is why we won't see a Kies rollout for Sprint or VzW, pretty much ever.

Tidbits

frightking wrote:
Hmm very interesting, and I know this is NOT the proper forum, but seems kind of like a crappy deal that I have to pay for Netflix and pay again for Playon. I mean I will probably do it until another solution comes along, but still seems crappy. But all and all YIPPY 2.2 FOR MY PHONE IS HERE.

The problem is DRM issues. Netflix and Hulu have the best chance of bringing it to newer devices with onboard encryption than software encryption.

wildcat1935

Phonedog.com has info.

wildcat1935

So what if anything will this upgrade do to the NFL Mobile app?

Not supported on 4G Thunderbolt because of money with NFL.

wildcat1935

If this really happens then I'll probably not upgrade to Galaxy S II and save $250.