When will we be able to use google wallet on our S3's?
how can i watch espn3 on sIII
It wont. VZW has decided on ISIS.
buttsderek32 wrote:how can i watch espn3 on sIII
buttsderek32 wrote:
If you have ESPN on your cable system and your system participates, download the Watch ESPN app and follow the instructions to see if you qualify.
Why? It only has a 1.4 rating on Google Play, not to mention you can only use Am Ex cards with it.
Doesn't it make more sense to use Google Wallet?
I suspect they are not getting a cut from Google, or not a large enough cut to justify it.
Verizon decided to go with ISIS instead because they have a large stake in that company. They also came to the determination that Wallet was not secure enough. The main reason for the low rating is the fact that many users are giving it a 1-star rating simply because they don't have the option to use Wallet. In this case, I would not consider that rating to be accurate to the app whatsoever.
This app was one of the reasons I upgraded my old phone to the S4.
I'd like to hear from Verizon on what their current position is on the blocking of this app - What specifically does Google need to do to make it more secure to be used on their network?
Hi Cheetos_mom,Having the applications you need most is important! We have no information on Google Wallet availability. You can keep up with the latest device news here http://bit.ly/n5snpq . Check here to see if your device and account meet the requirements to use ISIS http://vz.to/PsTeiK .Thanks,PamelaF_VZWTweet us @vzwsupport
The answer to your question is simple, albeit asinine, and can be answered in one word. Never. Verizon, though if you call customer service will lead you to believe otherwise, has no intention of allowing the use of Google Wallet. They are pushing ISIS and will force their customers to use it or nothing else. Maybe, and this is a big maybe, they will one day realize I have an android over the ios because I like freedom. Until then, just assume that Google Wallet will never be implemented as the same responses from verizon have circled over the last year as they remain stagnant in removing said restriction. It's extremely frustrating and I plan on switching carriers once my contract is up as I will not be told what payments system I must use. Also, ISIS is only supported in certain areas, not nationwide if you check their website. Plus you cannot use Visa, Mastercard, or Discover.
You are 100% correct. The carrier should not have any say as to what NFC financial payment program a customer can use. It's well past time that the FCC took a look at this issue. If the carriers have a 'valid' reason for preventing use of a program then they should be required to present those reasons to the FCC. If the FCC agrees then OK. If not then the FCC should force them to stop and hold them liable for their actions up to now.
According to Verizon, Wallet is not secure enough.
When did my financial security become Verizon's concern. Also, Sprint customers with NFC phones including the Galaxy S3 have been using Google Wallet for more than a year without any security issues.
Verizon has been asked several times what these so called "security issues" are and have never given an answer. Also, ask yourself this question. If the security is not up to par then why is it that Visa, Mastercard, Discover, and Amex all allow use of their cards on google wallet? Do you really think all these companies would risk it if the program was that easy to breach? Lastly, as JoeKiv has pointed out, it is my decision, along with the banks and FCC, to decide if an app, program, or payment system is safe, NOT a phone carrier. As a side note, if you do your research, Verizon is in a joint venture with AT&T (infamously known for restricting it's customer base) and T-Mobile to develop ISIS. Now I ask you, are you really so gullible to believe that verizon is preventing use of google wallet because of security issues or could it possibly be that they are invested in making money off of ISIS( which by the way is only available to Austin, TX and Salt Lake City, UT).
Because of this I am planning on switching to Sprint when my contract is up. I understand their original decision from a business point of view but now this has gotten out of hand and is making many costumers (including me) very unhappy. I have tried to stick it out for a long time now and have been a Verizon costumer since 2004 but this will make me switch. I have another year with my current contract so if it's not changed by then I'll be switching to sprint.
I am happy for you that you'll be able to use Google Wallet on Sprint, I just hope you don't have to use store Wi-Fi to get an internet connection.
You don't need an internet connection to tap & pay. You only need it change or add funding sources.
If you have an issue with VZW (and AT&T, T-mobile) blocking Wallet, complain to FTC. There are clear rules against blocking competition in a way that hampers the consumer financially. I am sure the folks at VZW are aware of this too (I get this training at an Engineering level once every 2 years!). Once there is enough noise, these folks will have no choice but to comply.
While at it, why limit ourself to Wallet. If could very well be Paypal or another service.
Here are some links. I am definitely going to report this. I am also thinking of creating a petition in Change.org
http://www.justice.gov/atr/
http://www.justice.gov/atr/contact/newcase.html#document
you can install this app now on your gs3 just go to the "Play Store" and look it up,
don't believe everything that verizon is telling you. if this app was blocked then
nobody would not be able to install it. their is no need to complain to the FTC
You will not be able to use the "tap and pay" feature. That is being blocked by Verizon. Complain to the FTC.
how do you know? and on top of that I have not tried it yet, think before you jump to conclusions.
and you don't know if that feature has been blocked or not, meanwhile I will investigate this.
so please let me be the judge of this and until you are working for them I don't need your input.
mr-gs3_39.........Breezex proabaly did his research first unlike you who tries to help, gives a wrong answer and then researches later. And you don't get to be the judge of anything, this is a community forum where PEOPLE not PERSON gets to respond. So his "input" is appreciated when it comes to determining what can and can't be used with Google Wallet. Your new to this. Stop be so confrontational, he's just trying to give helpful input and he seems much more knowledgable than you anyways......Nobody is going to take advice from you, you do research and then answer questions. Thats how this works
breezex is 100% correct. The newest version of Google Wallet can be downloaded now, BUT if you're using Verizon, "NFC Tap & Pay" will NOT be enabled. You can NOT use it to make Tap & Pay purchases at retailers. The only one here who appears to be jumping to conclusions is you AND it's the Wrong conclusion!
Suggestions about complaining to FCC are useful, but leave out an important group where complaints should also be directed - Perhaps the most important. That is the manufacturer of your phone. While we all realize the inconvenience to the customer, we fail to recognize the harm being done to Android Phone Manufacturers by Verizon, AT&T and T-Mobile.
Retailers have not made NFC Payments universally available, because they have had NO incentive to do so. The demand by retail customers for this option has been nearly eliminated by the fact that only Sprint and some smaller carriers allow Google Wallet.
If NFC was a widely accepted payment method then purchasing a phone with that capability, would be an important consideration for a significant number of new phone buyers. Apple phones do NOT have NFC, therefore Android phones would have a competitive advantage over Apple. This advantage is being killed in the cradle by these carriers which allows Apple to ignore what in the absence of the carrier blocking, would be a major liability.
Samsung, Motorola, HTC and other manufacturers should be hearing this from their customers. They have far more ability to bring this nonsense to an end. This would not only benefit end users, but also themselves
Just to be clear about my previous comment (apologize I could not respond yesterday with this website not allowing me to logon). The NFC aspect is something that VZW does not restrict. It is the secure element. So for example, you would no issues using the NFC tag to unlock your phone but you would not be able to use Google Wallet to make payments as it requires use of the secure element. So the issue is not so much with the manufacturers but rather what the carriers want them to lock down in order to further their own interests (read $$). Google could easily bypass this but end up providing a much weaker solution in terms of security. Again, Google are no saints but what VZ/AT&T does is much worse, thats all. I dont understand why my security to be tied to a SIM that these carriers will provide. If I were traveling outside the country and wanted to use a different SIM, now all of a sudden we have to carry all our credit cards. Might not be something we care about in the near future (unless we travel to western europe) but can become an issue in the near-long term.
The way I see this is similar to how some BT profiles were blocked by VZ that would not allow communication other than with a headset. They wanted a monthly payment to use those profiles that simply communicated between your laptop and your phone and had nothing to do with VZ's network. While they might not do it today, there is an absolute chance that they would require us to purchase a "Special SIM" for an additional fee (one-time or monthly) and that, in my opinion, increases cost to the customer and is a fair case for FTC.
Here is an excerpt from Jay Klimek (who filed a lawsuit against VZ to have 3-rd party mobile hotspots from being allowed).
------------------------
I actually talked to the man who had some significant patents regarding NFC and the real issue goes beyond Verizon, who are, on the surface, clearly violating FCC regulations and possibly FTC regulations and the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. The problem actually is that NFC uses the secure element (SE) to encrypt and store personal data. In the case of Google Wallet, the Google credentials used to access Google's cloud servers, where your credit card info is stored, is encrypted in the SE. Now, the actual issue is in order for an application developer to access the SE, digital keys are needed. Google doesn't just give these keys out to anyone, though they could. They give them to whomever they choose. In the case of Verizon phones, they give the keys to Verizon. In other cases, Google keeps the keys for themselves and prevents all other competition for NFC m-commerce applications.
In regard to the inability to use the SE, in my conversations with this patent holder, we had come up with a legal theory based on property law. The issue is not access to NFC (you have that, you can bump and read tags, etc...), the issue is the user (and developers) don't have access to the SE. To use the analogy told to me, it's like being sold a car without being given keys to the trunk. Further, you can't purchase the keys to the trunk, you're only allowed to use the trunk when the manufacturer (or dealership) says you're allowed to use it. So basically, the property analogue is, you buy a piece of property gaining full rights and ownership, yet they retain the exclusive right to use that SE without your knowledge.
------------------------------------------------
"..he NFC aspect is something that VZW does not restrict. It is the secure element. So for example, you would no issues using the NFC tag to unlock your phone but you would not be able to use Google Wallet to make payments as it requires use of the secure element. So the issue is not so much with the manufacturers but rather what the carriers want them to lock down in order to further their own interests .."
Just to be certain you are not misunderstanding my post: I am not saying that the carriers are blocking NFC (I use it regularly). I am pointing out that they are blocking the ONLY Nationally available NFC based Payment App, Google Wallet. They have been blocking it for more than a year, which has reduced demand for retailers to provide "NFC Tap & Pay" as a payment option. I am also not saying that this is being caused in any way by the Android manufacturers - I am saying that they are victims of this carrier policy, as it denies them a competitive advantage that they otherwise should have over Apple. Lastly, I am saying that these manufacturers could have significant impact in getting it stopped. Since this blocking has been ongoing for a considerable time, It is obvious that user complaints to the Federal Govt alone are not getting it stopped. A complaint to a company, for example Samsung, stating that since "I can't use NFC Tap & Pay, I may just as well go ahead and buy an Apple" would most likely get their attention.
Joe, I might have misunderstood your position on manufacturers a little but I mostly agreed with your post. My point was only to explain my previous post. You are absolutely right about how ISIS partners have been manipulating this situation in order to get to the market. Folks that carry their tablets are significantly fewer than the ones that carry their smartphones. The carriers understand this aspect and have fully exploited this situation by disallowing competing apps. This has led to the market (consumers and vendors) not embracing this solution. The only way to correct (if possible at all) is to file a complaint with FTC. The more folks that do it, the more traction it gets. I would really like to hear VZW explanation of their blocking, something that US Cellular and Sprint dont believe is necessary. I believe you had asked this before and that is a perfectly valid question as well. Why is VZW bothered with keeping my accounts secure?
just so u know u now can use google wallet but the tap to pay feature dosent work on alot of devices also they now have a debit card
"tap to pay feature dosent work on alot of devices"
Actually tap & pay does not work on ANY Verizon phone. Tap & Pay which can be used with any registered credit/debit card is what makes Google Wallet desirable. To announce that you can use this handicapped version is equivalent.to saying you can drive a car with a flat tire.
Never. Verizon and its pathetic use of ISIS wont suck it up and let people make the choice. I had ISIS. It's a joke. Ill never use it. I cant add my bankcard... only a capital one and amex.. so I have to run my credit up to pay with my phone? thanks for that verizon. I hate you. I only have you as service because your network is the only one i can get where I am at.. otherwise I would be gone. But what does verizon care if im ****** off about this?... they are still making money. >>comment removed<<. what a pain.. ISIS is a worthless app with no good use. At least the wallet app i have now let's me load ANY loyalty card and I have linked my cc and bank to it AND i now have the FREE google wallet card in which I can pay anywhere with... last time... >>comment removed<< Verizon for blocking this.. what happened to freedom of choice? Im in the Marine Corps.. I fight for that right and verizon restricts it... almost like a slap in the face.. a little dramatic.. yes... but im annoyed. Thank you for reading my rant.
>>Edited to comply with the <<
Message was edited by: Verizon Moderator
tap to pay works if you get the special sim card in which i got from verizon.. your just stuck to using the Crappy ISIS app
I said this before...
With the way Google had it setup initially it protected Verizon for not having it.
You need to pay Google to white list your devices. See Sprint exclusive deal for example. If you device is unlocked and unbranded yet had a secure element Google does not white list those because the manufacturer didn't pay up instead of the carrier. If you want to use the secure element for your own payment system you couldn't. Google finally caught on...
4.4 has framework that drastically changed things. Now it's open to more than Google Wallet. Square could make one. PayPal can too. Now Verizon is no longer protected and if they block these apps it will fail based on block c rules. Block C didn't matter if Verizon had to pay for it.
Tap & Pay does NOT work with 'Google Wallet' and this discussion is about Google Wallet. When you get the secure sim card from Verizon, it enables the phone to use Isis and Isis ONLY. What you are actually doing is disabling the secure element on the phone and replacing it with a secure element on the sim card which can only be used with Isis. Isis does NOT allow you to use any credit or debit card you desire only the two cards that they alone deem worthy, Wallet allows you to use any credit or debit card you choose. Verizon not only dictates what app you can use, but also dictates what funding source you can use.
