Droid SAR levels?

I've seen alot of the specs on the new Droid phone out there on the internet, however have not seen any specs on the SAR level. Does anyone know what these levels are? I know it will be under 1.6, but I am hoping to see it lower than 1 so I can get the phone.

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omniafan

Decipher as you see fit. This should be the latest information from the FCC. Looks from a quick glance that the SAR is generally lower than 1.0.

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=231907&fcc_id=%27IHDP56KC5%27

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woyala

I'd say if you are worried about sar levels then you should not use a cellphone at all. Stick with pay phones and a beeper.

cem95z

That was quite the uneducated response. There are some phones that have significantly lower SAR levels than others. The maximum allowed by law is 1.6 W/kg. Some phones are at .50 W/kg. Over time, the difference could be significant, especially if used by a child. Although it is not "proven" that cell phones cause tumors, I would prefer to be a bit on the safer side and choose a phone with a lower level.

My current phone is 1.34 W/kg, higher than what I prefer to have, therefore will be upgrading my phone. I would like to get a droid, but want to know the SAR level prior to making a final decision. The blackberry storm has a low level so I may choose that instead, but do not like the reviews I have seen on the BBstorm.

nmchileman

I agree. If you're that worried about SAR levels you shouldn't have a cell phone in the first place. You also shouldn't have a microwave or WiFi. Or just wrap yourself in foil. You could make it a fashion statement.

cem95z

I love how the tagline on your post reads that there are no stupid question...knowledge is power... and then you respond to me in such a derogatory way. I guess you had to attempt to cut me down since you did not know the answer.

I am certain that I am not the only person that wants a cell phone while still wanting to be cautious of SAR levels. Verizon usually provides SAR information on their website about each individual phone. If some people did not want to know this information, it would not be provided.

When I asked this question, I was hoping that someone here could help me get the information I am seeking. I am still looking for information on SAR levels for the new Droid phone.

nmchileman

It wasn't a stupid question. And I wasn't trying to cut you down. I'm just trying to understand your logic. If you're concerned about one form of radiation or radio emissions why aren't you concerned about all the others?

Fact is, no one really knows those specific details of the Droid right now because it hasn't been officially announced yet. Check Boygeniusreport.com or Android Central, they may have some information from when the device passed FCC testing. Otherwise you'll have to wait for an official announcement to get all the specs and details.

omniafan

Decipher as you see fit. This should be the latest information from the FCC. Looks from a quick glance that the SAR is generally lower than 1.0.

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=231907&fcc_id=%27IHDP56KC5%27

cem95z

Thank you so much omniafan. I so appreciate your posting the information for me!

gme109

http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phones/motorola-droid-verizon-wireless/4505-6454_7-33783559.html

SAR rating of 1.49 watts per kilogram

Rich_Lux

That article says that 1.49 is the SAR of the Motorola Cliq, not the DROID.

IMHO, SAR ratings are worthless. Has anyone here ever read the details on how the test are performed? There are a number of articles on the web, but basically they position the phone at a VERY specific distance and angle from a dummy head made of a material that simulates human absorption and take measurements. Even the slightest movement out of that position can change the reading dramatically. So, unless you hold the phone EXACTLY as is done in the testing (which is impossible), the SAR rating is meaningless...

Richard

gme109

Must be a miss print, because the Cliq has a SAR rating(W/kg) of 0.69.

http://reviews.cnet.com/%20/4520-6602_7-6258775-4.html?tag=mncol;txt

You're probably corrent in saying that if the phone is not placed in the same position as the test was performed in, you'd get a different reading. But If every phone is tested using the same parameters, then the reading are acurate in that they show the relative difference between phones. For instance, a Samsung Impression has a SAR rating of .27. So if that phone is held in the same positon by its owner as the Droid, it has far less radation output, peroid.

Rich_Lux

This would be true if the SAR level changed consistently for each phone when the position of the phone changed (e.g. if tilting the phone by 5 degrees had the same affect on the SAR value for every phone), but this is not the case. Tilting one phone just a few degrees to the left may increase it's SAR value by .5, but doing the same thing to another phone may decrease it by .3. The shape of the phone, materials used, and position of the antenna in the phone have a big affect on the SAR value at different phone angles. This is why the values are not really useful.

Richard

Sig_1

After searching for a while and coming back to this post I found that the link to the FCC that was posted earlier is the best that I can come up with as the real data for this phone.

The FCC ID for the Verizon phone should be IHDP56KC5. There is a European version that is IHDP56KC2 which has a higher SAR rating.

Under this FCC ID (IHDP56KC5) it shows "The final SAR reading for this phone is 1.10 W/\kg for head-adjacent use and 0.89 W/kg for body-worn use".

If you want to look this up you can go to page 3 of the link below

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=1184058&native_or_pdf=pdf

cem95z

I have read the report in the prior post, and finally found the information (as VW releases it.)

According to Droid safety information http://www.motorola-droid.org/droidguide.pdf

The highest SAR value for this mobile device when tested for use at the ear is 1.49 W/kg, and when worn on the body, as described in this guide, is 1.5W/kg.

The number in the safety book is greatly different from the FCC report. Are we certian that we have the correct FCC ID?

FlyingToaster

I am also concerned about SAR levels. My current phone (a Sanyo Katana II) has a SAR rating of 0.554, which I am fairly comfortable with. A link posted in an earlier message suggests that the Droid will have a SAR rating of 1.49, which I think is too high for comfort, so I guess I won't plan on upgrading to the Droid.

As far as being concerned mainly about cell phone radiation, the reason is that cell phones are used close to the body, whereas other things producing radio signals aren't. Also, we tend not to hear much about cancer being linked to microwave ovens, wireless internet access points, or even regular radio & TV signals which have been around for decades. We tend to hear increating numbers of reports about cell phones and cancer though.

n0yxl

FlyingToaster wrote:
I am also concerned about SAR levels. My current phone (a Sanyo Katana II) has a SAR rating of 0.554, which I am fairly comfortable with. A link posted in an earlier message suggests that the Droid will have a SAR rating of 1.49, which I think is too high for comfort, so I guess I won't plan on upgrading to the Droid.

As far as being concerned mainly about cell phone radiation, the reason is that cell phones are used close to the body, whereas other things producing radio signals aren't. Also, we tend not to hear much about cancer being linked to microwave ovens, wireless internet access points, or even regular radio & TV signals which have been around for decades. We tend to hear increating numbers of reports about cell phones and cancer though.

If you spend lots of time on the phone; use a Bluetooth Headset = problem solved :smileywink:

cem95z

Unfortunately a bluetooth does not solve all the radiation problems that could be an issue with cell phones. If you carry your phone in your pocket, you are exposing your body to potential harm. I am considering a SAR Shield, so that it will at least reduce the radiation a bit. It might sound a bit hokey, but it makes sense to me... Even if the shield points the radiation in one direction... I can make sure to keep it going away from my body.

FlyingToaster

n0yxl wrote:

If you spend lots of time on the phone; use a Bluetooth Headset = problem solved

I don't think that would solve any radiation problems. I would think Bluetooth also involves some radiation, since Bluetooth devices communicate wirelessly. You're just replacing one wireless device (your cell phone) with another.

Pcstrbill

Thank you for asking the question cem95z. I too have been looking for this information. I think your researching is a very logical and intelligent step.

As a cell phone user for over 2 decades, I have always tried to be cautious with what I can control. I think the phrase "ignorance is bliss" is what the cell phone companies are banking on. The level of "blissfulness" in the cell phone community, in-light of the mounting medical data available (even though many wish to ignore it), is very sad. The logic of some of the individuals responding in ridicule to your post is like the logic of people who believe in the facade of "safe sex", it is pure foolishness.

Again, thank you for being patient and getting the information for those of us wise enough to look for it.