Android 2.2 Froyo

[JustinViggiano]

September 5th and it is still not here. Early September... dont make me laugh.

When will it actually come out ota

[Wildman]

This has been responded to over a 1000 times, please read before deplicating post....  The originsl projected date give them to September 22, but this is just a projected date and they are obligated to release before or on this date..

[crb79]

Early September could mean any date between 09/01-09/15.  Being that it is now 9/5 doesn't dismiss the Early time frame.

[GeekGuy]

"Early September" has neber actually been stated by an official source.  Verizon Wireless has made statements stating late summer.  Motorola states late summer.

Here are a couple of these sources:

http://news.vzw.com/news/2010/06/pr2010-06-22.html

https://supportforums.motorola.com/community/manager/softwareupgrades?view=overview

Some people in some of the various forums started saying "early September"...but that is not an official source.

Regardless of when it is...we will get it when it is ready to be given to us.  There is no indication at this time that we will not get it in the time frame that was stated from the very announcment and launch of this phone.  We need to let them make sure that the update we will be given is as bug-free as possible and that it will fix as many issues as possible.  Have some patience.

[mjtimko]

Well this is where patience has gotten us.

When I got my phone, I asked the sales person if the FroYo update was on track.  I was assured August 2010 was a firm release date and that the "Flag Ship" phone would be first upgraded.

Then that date because Summer 2010

Then it became Late Summer

All those time periods where shown right on the Droid Does website.

Now there is no date at all because they can't decide what the next lie will be.

All I would like is a straight answer from Verizon as to why we don't have the update.  Or why they can't roll it out as a few different updates.  Send us the Java Compiler and Flash Support now.  Send us teh MS Exchange for email when they fix it (which is the rumor that is holding up this update).

Personally I have no use for MS Exchange.  I have a GMail address and a Hotmail address and they serve me just fine.  In the five years that I have had DSL, I have never once used my ISP's provided email accounts.

The only other Verizon Droid phone to not have 2.2 is LG Ally.  A phone so unworthy that they would not call it the LG Droid Ally.  Do we, as X owners, want to be lumped with this phone?  A phone that verizon gives away for 49.99 with two year contract.

[SHAC]

Who CARES?

You will get it when they push it to your phone.

The company doesn't owe you anything by any time frame. It's all estimates. Have you ever had a job where you project something in the future? Does it ever line up 100% correctly?

{please keep your posts courteous}

[mjtimko]

SHAC yes I do.

I am an inspector for a steel company.

I have to ensure the quality of the goods and keep the process on schedule to ensure the customer gets their order.

If we miss our target dates, then the customer can pull their order and we lose the money and we are stuck with the inventory. 

So yes, I know something about keeping my word.

As to whining.  I don't see it that way.  Verizon should be reading these boards because they are seething with displeasure.

I am sure I will get kicked in the teeth for saying this again, but, with the exception of the camera, the guts in a Droid 2 are no different than the guts in a X.  Why does this phone have 2.2 and X does not.

[GeekGuy]

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mjtimko wrote:

SHAC yes I do.

I am an inspector for a steel company.

I have to ensure the quality of the goods and keep the process on schedule to ensure the customer gets their order.

If we miss our target dates, then the customer can pull their order and we lose the money and we are stuck with the inventory. 

So yes, I know something about keeping my word.

As to whining.  I don't see it that way.  Verizon should be reading these boards because they are seething with displeasure.

I am sure I will get kicked in the teeth for saying this again, but, with the exception of the camera, the guts in a Droid 2 are no different than the guts in a X.  Why does this phone have 2.2 and X does not.

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It is quite obvious that you do not actually look at all the information that is freely available on these forums.

I have already posted this information in another thread on these forums, but I will re-post the information now.

The so-called guts of the Droid 2 are much different that the Droid X.   They are not the same...there are many differences.  Here are actual photos of both phones after being taken apart....it is clearly obvious that the hardware in each phone is different from each other:

http://www.droid-life.com/2010/08/13/droid-2-torn-apart-we-cover-our-eyes/

http://www.droid-life.com/2010/06/25/droid-x-gets-dissected/

Because the phones ARE in fact different, is part of the reason as to why you cannot simply use the same 2,2 version on the Droid X as the Droid 2.

[taskellusaf]

whats really getting on the nerves of people and me... is i like many others paid for this device at the cost of a few benjamins with the promises of it being the top of the line phone... well now its behind pretty much all of them..  I shelled out over 500 dollars on this thing within the first month... Purchase, activation fee, and first months bill... I switched to Verizon because of the service from ATT... Sure I could I got an ipone that didn't support flash.. but i wanted the driod because of this... And well now that a month has come and gone i'm stuck with the phone BECAUSE I WAS WAITING FOR THE UPDATE!!!!!  Now i can't do anything that i was intending to do.. Could have just got an iphone and been just as happy.

Now don't get me wrong this is a great phone.. Problem is.. I bought it on release day, shelled out a lot of money, and feel as tho im not getting my money's worth and all i'm getting is you'll have to wait. 

One of the things i really really wish they would add to the feature of 2.2 is the ability to zoom while in video mode.  Other than that i think they are on the right track with this update.

But the question remains... Exactly WHEN will i see the investment i made into this phone come to life. 

[SHAC]

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taskellusaf wrote:

whats really getting on the nerves of people and me... is i like many others paid for this device at the cost of a few benjamins with the promises of it being the top of the line phone... well now its behind pretty much all of them..  I shelled out over 500 dollars on this thing within the first month... Purchase, activation fee, and first months bill... I switched to Verizon because of the service from ATT... Sure I could I got an ipone that didn't support flash.. but i wanted the driod because of this... And well now that a month has come and gone i'm stuck with the phone BECAUSE I WAS WAITING FOR THE UPDATE!!!!!  Now i can't do anything that i was intending to do.. Could have just got an iphone and been just as happy.

Now don't get me wrong this is a great phone.. Problem is.. I bought it on release day, shelled out a lot of money, and feel as tho im not getting my money's worth and all i'm getting is you'll have to wait. 

One of the things i really really wish they would add to the feature of 2.2 is the ability to zoom while in video mode.  Other than that i think they are on the right track with this update.

But the question remains... Exactly WHEN will i see the investment i made into this phone come to life. 

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Did you really need to make identical posts in 2.2 threads? {please keep your posts courteous}

[Soundvessel]

taskellusak, if you did your research you would understand that the only phone to get timely updates is the Nexus One. All the tech blogs made it very apparent through past experience that Android updates take awhile to filter through. Do I like the wait? No. But this is not unexpected and the complaints are merely only going to drown out more worthy discussion while having no effect on Verizon's timetable.

Android is now on many different phones spread across multiple manufactures. Unless you want them to pull a Windows Vista I suggest we allow them to make sure the release goes smoothly and allow their staff to address more pressing matters.

[GeekGuy]

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taskellusaf wrote:

whats really getting on the nerves of people and me... is i like many others paid for this device at the cost of a few benjamins with the promises of it being the top of the line phone... well now its behind pretty much all of them..  I shelled out over 500 dollars on this thing within the first month... Purchase, activation fee, and first months bill... I switched to Verizon because of the service from ATT... Sure I could I got an ipone that didn't support flash.. but i wanted the driod because of this... And well now that a month has come and gone i'm stuck with the phone BECAUSE I WAS WAITING FOR THE UPDATE!!!!!  Now i can't do anything that i was intending to do.. Could have just got an iphone and been just as happy.

Now don't get me wrong this is a great phone.. Problem is.. I bought it on release day, shelled out a lot of money, and feel as tho im not getting my money's worth and all i'm getting is you'll have to wait. 

One of the things i really really wish they would add to the feature of 2.2 is the ability to zoom while in video mode.  Other than that i think they are on the right track with this update.

But the question remains... Exactly WHEN will i see the investment i made into this phone come to life. 

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If you would have looked at the information that was freely available before you bought the phone, you wouold know that the update was not planned until late summer.  You should never buy anything without knowing all the information.

[curtterp]

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taskellusaf wrote:

whats really getting on the nerves of people and me... is i like many others paid for this device at the cost of a few benjamins with the promises of it being the top of the line phone... well now its behind pretty much all of them..  I shelled out over 500 dollars on this thing within the first month... Purchase, activation fee, and first months bill... I switched to Verizon because of the service from ATT... Sure I could I got an ipone that didn't support flash.. but i wanted the driod because of this... And well now that a month has come and gone i'm stuck with the phone BECAUSE I WAS WAITING FOR THE UPDATE!!!!!  Now i can't do anything that i was intending to do.. Could have just got an iphone and been just as happy.

Now don't get me wrong this is a great phone.. Problem is.. I bought it on release day, shelled out a lot of money, and feel as tho im not getting my money's worth and all i'm getting is you'll have to wait. 

One of the things i really really wish they would add to the feature of 2.2 is the ability to zoom while in video mode.  Other than that i think they are on the right track with this update.

But the question remains... Exactly WHEN will i see the investment i made into this phone come to life. 

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Show me another phone out there right now that has a better processor or a better screen. The Droid X is a top of the line phone, and paired with the best network in the US, its a combination that cannot be beat. Just because it doesn't have Froyo yet, doesn't mean anything, its still the best phone out there. One of my wifes friends has the HTC evo4, and when we seen them a couple of weeks ago, I put her HTC side by side with my Droid X, and asked her husband which phone has a better looking screen. He picked the Droid X.

If you bought the phone on release day thinking that the Froyo update was coming within a month, that is your fault. All the media outlets and Verizon itself said that it would be late summer. There was never a date released, just the vague 'late summer' statement. The testing that has to be done to make sure that Froyo will not brick the phone is extensive, both with Motorola and Verizon. The testing for the original Droid is not quite as extensive because there is no flavor of Motoblur on that phone. So it doesn't need as much testing as the Motoblur lite that is on the Droid. So yes, Froyo is out on the original Droid, and soon will be out on the Droid X. Verizon also has to make sure that most of the original Droids are updated before they load up Froyo for the X. They have to make sure that the update servers are not overloaded, which could cause incomplete download and possibly brick some phones.

We all shelled out a LOT of money for the Droid X. Not only did I buy the X, I also bought the car dock, and plan on purchasing the home dock sometime soon. The investment we all have made is not just the OS, its the phone, the screen, the memory and the Verizon network. But most of us KNEW that it would be a few months before Froyo came out. There has been no question about the general time-frame in my mind.

Yes the X will run faster on Froyo, but I would rather that Motorola and Verizon take their time testing to make sure that Froyo will not give us bad experience. Verizon will release Froyo when they are satisfied it will be good for the masses. At that point, all will be happy.

in other words, Patience is the key, grasshopper.

[rushedinlove]

I am in Quality too and yes !! If you don't keep your word the buyer will leave your business .. regular consumers don't understand this ..

[curtterp]

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rushedinlove wrote:

I am in Quality too and yes !! If you don't keep your word the buyer will leave your business .. regular consumers don't understand this ..

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How does late summer breaking their word? Its not the end of summer yet. I know that some people think that Labor Day is the start of Fall, but the start of Fall is September 21..... which is 2 weeks away yet.

[dirkbonn]

Let me throw my thoughts into the mix regarding release dates for software versus some other product, say a small wooden table.

When the manufacturer of this small wooden table has the wood, screws, glue, etc. in hand, he can determine with almost exact certainty when he can have a finished table ready for delivery.  He can do this because he knows how long it will take his employees to cut the wood to the correct size pieces and how long it takes to assemble the table and then how long it takes the glue to "set". You get the picture.  This is to say,for example,  if has has all the parts on Monday, he knows he can have X number of tables ready for delivery on Friday.

Now lets look at software and trying to determine exact release dates. Google has (I'm picking a number out of thin air here) say 15 people working on the 2.2 update for our "X"s.  How do you think Google could say on July 15th (with exact certainty) when 2.2 would be ready to send to our phones?  They write the code, debug it, test it, and when they think they have it correct, send it to Motorola and/or Verizon for them to test.  How long do you figure this step takes? 2... 3 weeks? Ok they find a couple problems and send it back.  Your 15 people work on it correcting the problems. Keep in mind you had no idea how many problems Motorola/Verizon were going to find, or how difficult they would be to fix. (this takes 2-4 weeks.... a variable, no exact answer)  Anyway, you fix them.  Back to Motorola/Verizon again.  During this time, your team just happens to find another "bug".  And so on, and so on, and so on.  You see all the variables right?  So how do you determine an exact release date for the software?  The answer is "You can't"  So the release date stated  is "3rd quarter" or "Late summer" or "September".  That's the best they can do.

Now, I have no idea if my scenario is exactly how it works or not, I'm not a software person. I work with lasers.  But I thought I'd throw it out there for you to think about.

I remember when I was little and wanted something and of course wanted it "Now!"   My mother many times told me, "Patience, little one, patience."

[basspro]

Motorola said "late summer", so they have until September 22nd. Actually, they are not obligated to release anything.

[nukem]

Your scenario is pretty realistic (I am a software person).  Actual release dates are hard to pin down for the very reasons you stated - limited resources, bugs that keep cropping up, etc.  While I'm also anxious for the latest release, we just have to sit tight and wait.  Someone asked on a CNET board if this is a breach of contract, allowing you to get out.  Nope, they don't have any obligation beyond giving us functional phones.

[curtterp]

Bottom line folks is that do you want software that is right, or fast. Microsoft has missed more deadlines than anyone else in history. but they know the value of getting it right, than getting it out on time. Not everyone thinks that Microsoft does it right, but they get it right more than they get it wrong.

I have read a most of the complaints in this thread and other threads, and this is what I see. A lot of you are manufacturing false dates from rumors that were out there. Officially, Verizon said late summer. Fall starts on the 23rd of this month.  IF they do not get by then, then it will be late...... and I would rather have a good OS late, than a buggy OS that is on time. HTC hurried their release of Froyo, and there were bugs in it that a lot of people became dissatisfied with them. I would rather we get a good build, relatively bug free. That would make me happy. If it happens this month, great. If it happens next month, great..... it will happen, just have a little patience.

So the original Droid got the update first. Who cares? The Original Droid was out long before the X was out, and it had a vanilla front end. Takes less time to test. The Droid 2 was released with Froyo. No problem. Froyo was out when the Droid 2 was in the design and testing phase, so it was able to be released with it. X will get Froyo. Sooner or later. I understand that we all would like to have it now, but if you actually knew what goes into testing a new build, testing with an existing front end and making sure that all the bugs were worked out, you would have a little more understanding on how long it takes, what it takes, and the pressures that people are under. I test software for a living. I know all about delivery dates. I also know that there is a lot of pressure to deliver a bug free product and yes, testers cannot find all the bugs. We test for conventional usage, and we also think outside the box to try to see what people might come up with to see if we can find bugs. We can't catch them all, but it is nice to catch most of them.

Some have said that Verizon reps have lied to them about Froyo. But when someone says 'soon' its open to interpretation. Its a part of a salespersons persona. But if you paid attention to the release of the Droid X, you would have known that the target for  the update was Late Summer. IF you thought that it would be released earlier based on 'soon', well your interpretation is what let you down, not the salespeople. Yes I did see the link to the post where Verizon said that the X would be the first phone with flash 10.1. OOPS, I guess they thought the update might be out sooner, but hey, to me, no big deal. Personally, I am not sure if I will install flash or not on my X. I have seen reports that flash is slow and causing some phones to choke and/or crash. Adobe just released revised minimum equipment requirements. They raised the processor speed from 500mhz to 800mhz. Yes, that doesn't affect the X, but that tells me that flash takes more resources than they originally thought, and it will be slower than originally thought. Doesn't sound good for Adobe there. I know that Flash does leak memory on my laptop and I have to restart it more often when I watch a lot of flash stuff. Not sure how it will do on the X with Froyo, but that remains to be seen.

Patience people........ you will have a much happier life if you exercise patience a little more.

[deadly_v2]

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curtterp wrote:

Bottom line folks is that do you want software that is right, or fast. Microsoft has missed more deadlines than anyone else in history. but they know the value of getting it right, than getting it out on time. Not everyone thinks that Microsoft does it right, but they get it right more than they get it wrong.

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I lol'd at that one. Windows "V" word and the launch of the crapbox 360 were perfect examples of what can happen when you rush things. I say take your time and get it right.... As long as you follow through with your summer date. Break that and you are dead to me moto/verizon.

[curtterp]

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deadly_v2 wrote:

I lol'd at that one. Windows "V" word and the launch of the crapbox 360 were perfect examples of what can happen when you rush things. I say take your time and get it right.... As long as you follow through with your summer date. Break that and you are dead to me moto/verizon.

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Never said they were perfect