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DROID UPDATE WITHOUT NOTICE

Why are they updating our droids without at least giving us the option to decline or accept it. I don't appreciate anyone trying to dictate or cram this bullshit down our throats!

I can no longer watch videos; website says I need to upgrade to Adobe Flash 9.0, but android does not use this.

Motorola has totally messed up my phone. I cannot clean my history..........why fix something thats not broken! How do I get my old droid back the way it was.

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tikibar1

Once a new OS is installed, you can't go back to the old one, except by a method that can't be discussed here and which would void your warranty.

To install Flash on your phone (which is no longer supported on Android by Adobe, by the way):

http://forums.adobe.com/message/4675670#4675670

Jakeman1

Before any OS Update there is a message that covers the entire screen advising that a new update is available and do you want to install it. It has Install now bottom left and wait until later at the bottom right. If you select the Install Now it will install the OS instantly. If you select the Wait until Later, it will decline the update and wait for another time (usually until you reboot the phone before asking again. It will not do a drive by installation and the user MUST select Install before it installs.

Adobe Flash is NO longer supported by Adobe, and the Chrome Browser in ICS does NOT support Flash. You can still download Flash from Adobe or in some cases from Google Play. You can also install Dolphin or Skyfire browsers that do still support Flash and be able to view the Flash Based clips while on ICS.

B33

That is true what Jake Said) i have Gingerbread on my one Razr Maxx and i see the Update come on my phone just every other Day) i ignore it and go on.. As for putting Flash on something that's not been set up for it I am a little Leary about doing that..

http://www.pcworld.com/article/260901/android_flash_player_rip_how_to_get_it_now_that_its_gone.html

http://www.adobe.com/devnet-apps/flashruntimes/certified-devices.html

MarkWilliams

I agree with the two saying there is a chance to not install, BUT... they should notify you that it is a total software change and that you are getting a new OS completely.

tikibar1

Yep, for folks who follow these things and anxiously awaited ICS, the update was good news. However, for folks who had no idea it was coming (heck, a lot of people don't know what ICS is) and what it involved, it was rather unexpected. I hope your installation went well and that you have no issues.

ChipNinja

You're missing the point. I'm pretty pissed off about the most recent OTA as well.

The issue here is that there was not an option to decline. So those of us that didn't want to update had to choose between accepting it immediately, or being spammed to death with "install now" or "install later" messages. If you selected "install later" the exact same OTA update would pop up again, sometimes in as little as five minutes.

So, on top of not even having the choice of whether we want to upgrade or not some of us are having a whole lot of other issues. Personally, I've got to deal with a hassle you apparently can't discuss, my wi-fi is stuck in a constant on state, and I can no longer charge the phone via PC. Due to the latter, it's currently sitting here dead, otherwise I'm sure I could come up with a longer list.

I've got to say that overall I'm very disappointed. I never once had an OTA forced down my throat when I was with Sprint. Maybe it varies by phone model, but I doubt it.

Jakeman1

I am not missing the point at all. The way those notifications work is they are put out on your phone and you either accept and install now, or you install later. If you choose later it will NOT pop back up until one of 2 things happens.

1) you reboot your phone

2) 24 hours have passed.

They are giving you the option to not install it. If you get the notice and are not sure what it is for you would select wait for later and then you could research it and see if you wanted to install it now or not. If you do not install it now, yes it will keep telling you it is available.

ChipNinja

I've worked for wireless companies before, so I get how OTA's work. In theory you're right, it shouldn't pop up until rebooting or a day later. You don't know me, but I have no reason to lie to you for that very reason. I can say with 100% certainty that it didn't happen that way. I had two update popups within a five minute period.

Either way you look at it, its either choose to be hit with messages once a day (when things are working correctly), or install immediately. When you're constantly called by one company via phone you can say don't call again, and when they don't listen and call anyway you can sue for harassment. The simple solution is add in a "do not notify me again."

Perhaps it was a bug or a fluke, but it did happen. And so far the most recent update has caused me nothing but trouble. Given the number of people that rely heavily on their phones I think that it's pretty poor form for things to go down the way they did.

B33

Jake i totally agree with ya! I don't remember how many times now that Notice has came and i simply Declined it on my one Maxx) and i actually in the last few Weeks haven't even seen it. On my other Maxx it's running I.C.S and is doing as normal as it can about the Same as Ginger with a few more Perks..

And one's saying that this OS was just sprung out and all of a sudden i had to update i say all "Bull" this Update for the Bionic has been Talked about just as Much as it was for the Razr's and i all heard was O God if i don't get I.C.S i don't know what i'm going to Do You got it take the Plunge, it might be a Bumpy ride for a while but you hold on and as with OS's in the Past it should smooth out..

ChipNinja

If you really want to go back the most that can be said is take a look at tikibar1's first reply. It can't be talked about on these forums. Take a look at the rules for the forums and hit google. It can be done.

silver6055

Really? I thought that was blocked by the OTA (and for a few previous leaks). Once the kernel is properly rewritten to ICS no way back.

ChipNinja

I can't speak for all phone models, but my understanding is that phones much like computers can be completely backed up and restored to a specific state. If there are any that differ, I haven't heard of it - but I also only care to look up info on things I personally own (Bionic, Evo), so take that with a grain of salt. But I can say I've seen a few things here and there that speak of ICS and Gingerbread - but some of the issues people have with the changes in ICS may already be addressed in other... er... ways.

Think about your phone as a computer running a linux kernel (it is, although slightly modified). That being said, these phones are capable of a lot of the things that PCs are as well. The main differences is the actual devices are slightly different than they would be on PC, so referencing them is a bit different. In fact, the phones provide typical shell commands which may only be mentioned is if you're developing an app for android, and are even capable of pentesting given the right environment. Even old school giant bricks of phones were capable of some amazing things if you could think outside of the box, but I digress. Consider that linux is capable of a great number of things and being unable to be modified isn't one of them.

So yeah, that thing in your pocket is just a specialized PC, most people just don't think of them that way.

I'd love to directly answer the question, but last time I even mentioned "he who shall not be named" resulted in moderation.

Of course I wouldn't know about any of that, my phones are awesome stock

silver6055

OK, thanks. I think encrypted bootloaders in Moto phones actually IS the difference between this and a standard Linux kernel. But as you say, has to be discussed elsewhere!

Jakeman1

Absolutely could NOT agree with you more. They should send you the notification that there is an update and let you do some research on it (preferably they would provide release notes, user guide, a list of things changing, what to expect, how it will impact you, things to do to prepare for the update, etc...)

tikibar1

I agree ... but I suppose that's too logical, would take too much effort, and apparently isn't covered by the $35 upgrade fees (please don't flame me for that one, folks)

Jakeman1

I think even a little differently that is Verizon does NOT want to provide that kind of user support as they would much rather sell you a new phone then support an update which is why they drag their feet so much on these updates. That said, I can imaging Verizon or any of the big 4 claiming that to post something like that would cost thousands of dollars if not hundreds of thousands of dollars, but the sad fact of it is, they get release notes, and the exact same stuff I believe they should post for the end user, and they do have people that actually go through it and ready it. It would be very simple to add it to the update process and might cost them a few hours to add the link and logic to their update process as it exists today. It is more of a Verizon does not want to do it. And you are correct, they would claim it is NOT included in the Upgrade fee we pay today.

ChipNinja

In the interest of actually providing support, I've got some contact info up temporarily. This thread doesn't seem to have too many active participants, but keep in mind if it gets out of hand I've got to prioritize my work/development activity over responses.

Verizon_Support

IWANTMYPHONE I understand how difficult it is when you're device is changed after being use to certain functionalities. Our software updates are pushed to enhance your phone and not cause any issues. I'm sorry you're having so many difficulties. Although we can't change your phone back to the previous software, we can trouble-shoot the current issues you're having. Have you tried to perform a factory reset on your device? Here are the steps http://tiny.cc/zinznw . Please keep us posted on how your phone is working after the reset. ^KH

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