Do you kill...?

[djtonic]

Every single running service, process and application on your Windows PC every time you turn it on or look at it without giving any thought to what you are terminating?

I didnt think so.

I use task killers....i will advocate the use of task killers, but I don't understand the incessant need people have in killing off every running task and process on the phone.

Maybe someone can explain that rationale to me.

It's like voting because MTV said you should.....un-informed

Dj.

[mortb]

I believe that most people kill these apps using a task killer in the belief that it will help their battery last longer without recharching. However, if they looked, they would find that roughly 80 percent of the battery usage is due to the display. Lowering brightness, faster sleep, etc., will help more than any task killer. By the way, as far as Windows goes, I use a manager to tell Windows which applications I want to start when I start Windows. Maybe, one day, we'll be able to do that with the Android/Google OS.

[djtonic]

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mortb wrote:

I believe that most people kill these apps using a task killer in the belief that it will help their battery last longer without recharching. However, if they looked, they would find that roughly 80 percent of the battery usage is due to the display. Lowering brightness, faster sleep, etc., will help more than any task killer. By the way, as far as Windows goes, I use a manager to tell Windows which applications I want to start when I start Windows. Maybe, one day, we'll be able to do that with the Android/Google OS.

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Exactly mortb,

Closest thing we have to msconfig and selective startup with Android now is a task killer but it is way overused and not quite understood.

Dj.

[demmo86rt]

Ahhh! You got me in this one. I thought this was a kill or not to kill poll. I'll leave you alone now, you stated it perfectly, kudos, sir!

[Wildman]

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djtonic wrote:

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Exactly mortb,

Closest thing we have to msconfig and selective startup with Android now is a task killer but it is way overused and not quite understood.

Dj.

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I agree with this statement, I have noticed some that are so quick to blame a task killer for every little issue a device has because a post somewhere reported that it would cause issue if used but they are not prepared to take in consideration that issue could be coming from improper use. I have used  a number of different Task Killers to compare features and never had any major issues come from using them.  And I still cant believe think so many have the ideal of having 15 or 20 apps running in background does not impact performance... (Even if software is configured to handle multitasking so well)

[Tidbits]

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Wildman wrote:

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djtonic wrote:

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Exactly mortb,

Closest thing we have to msconfig and selective startup with Android now is a task killer but it is way overused and not quite understood.

Dj.

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I agree with this statement, I have noticed some that are so quick to blame a task killer for every little issue a device has because a post somewhere reported that it would cause issue if used but they are not prepared to take in consideration that issue could be coming from improper use. I have used  a number of different Task Killers to compare features and never had any major issues come from using them.  And I still cant believe think so many have the ideal of having 15 or 20 apps running in background does not impact performance... (Even if software is configured to handle multitasking so well)

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It's not quick to blame.  Some people complain about dropping signals, and non-responsive screens after a call or something of the sort.  Task Killers are KNOWN to kill system processes even when in use.  Which WILL cause those problems.  90% of the time as soon as someone removes the TK and continue doing what they are doing those systems goes away.  If you notice Samsung Task Killers NEVER show system processes and you can't shut them down, and it will never shut those down.

Prime example if you close the voice mail app from a task killer (99% of the time it will kill your radio) they share the same files, but the voice mail app does not have a single processe unless you actually get a voice mail.  So if you are on a call it will be there, but as soon as the TK kills the voice mail app you drop the call because the radio was killed.  I seen this numerous times on T-Mobile's forums from the G1 to the Nexus One. As soon as they got rid of the Task Killer the problems stopped, and if it continued it always turned out to be their area was having problems or the device itself was faulty.

[Wildman]

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Tidbits wrote:

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It's not quick to blame.  Some people complain about dropping signals, and non-responsive screens after a call or something of the sort.  Task Killers are KNOWN to kill system processes even when in use.  Which WILL cause those problems.  90% of the time as soon as someone removes the TK and continue doing what they are doing those systems goes away.  If you notice Samsung Task Killers NEVER show system processes and you can't shut them down, and it will never shut those down.

Prime example if you close the voice mail app from a task killer (99% of the time it will kill your radio) they share the same files, but the voice mail app does not have a single processe unless you actually get a voice mail.  So if you are on a call it will be there, but as soon as the TK kills the voice mail app you drop the call because the radio was killed.  I seen this numerous times on T-Mobile's forums from the G1 to the Nexus One. As soon as they got rid of the Task Killer the problems stopped, and if it continued it always turned out to be their area was having problems or the device itself was faulty.

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This is why the ignore or exclude option exist. Most users dont exclude the required apps and of course they run into issues, but this isnt TK fault, the user told it to close it and it performed its duties.

[Tidbits]

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Wildman wrote:

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Tidbits wrote:

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It's not quick to blame.  Some people complain about dropping signals, and non-responsive screens after a call or something of the sort.  Task Killers are KNOWN to kill system processes even when in use.  Which WILL cause those problems.  90% of the time as soon as someone removes the TK and continue doing what they are doing those systems goes away.  If you notice Samsung Task Killers NEVER show system processes and you can't shut them down, and it will never shut those down.

Prime example if you close the voice mail app from a task killer (99% of the time it will kill your radio) they share the same files, but the voice mail app does not have a single processe unless you actually get a voice mail.  So if you are on a call it will be there, but as soon as the TK kills the voice mail app you drop the call because the radio was killed.  I seen this numerous times on T-Mobile's forums from the G1 to the Nexus One. As soon as they got rid of the Task Killer the problems stopped, and if it continued it always turned out to be their area was having problems or the device itself was faulty.

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This is why the ignore or exclude option exist. Most users dont exclude the required apps and of course they run into issues, but this isnt TK fault, the user told it to close it and it performed its duties.

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As the person above me said.  If you know what you are doing.  You are assuming that everyone should know, but 70%+ have no clue exactly what Android is and how it works.  They get their information from "tech savvy" kids saying this device is better, and a sales rep saying so as well.  Then shortly there after someone one says install this and it should "improve" battery life.   Sure you and I will probably have better use out of it, but for most people they will set it and forget it.  Without maintaining that list which in turn something important might be used by an app you downloaded which closes that and something you needed(I.E. Touchscreen, Radio).

[reallyniceguy]

I use the froyo task killer but spo it can run smoother which it does. HOWEVER.... The ONLY 200% sure way to increase battery is to purchase the extended battery. No ands ifs or buts. Ona side note... Please DO NOT COMPARE android to windows.... Dont you DARE! android is much more stable and hogs less resources.

[djtonic]

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reallyniceguy wrote:
I use the froyo task killer but spo it can run smoother which it does. HOWEVER.... The ONLY 200% sure way to increase battery is to purchase the extended battery. No ands ifs or buts. Ona side note... Please DO NOT COMPARE android to windows.... Dont you DARE! android is much more stable and hogs less resources.

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Apples and oranges niceguy.  Not everyone is on the linux train and the poop on windows mobile.

Dj.