So what exactly does it take to qualify a phone as "Certified Like-New"?

Detonation
Enthusiast - Level 3

...verify the phone turns on and then ship it out?

 

I've had a Droid since launch...its been in a case and screen protector since day one and I take pride in keeping it (and all my other electronics) in mint condition. When I installed 2.2 last month, something went wrong and it corrupted my phone. It freezes 2-3 times daily, requiring a battery pull. I've done factory resets, OS reinstalls...nothing fixed it, and Verizon told me I'd need to get it replaced. 

 

I already had a poor experience with refurbished verizon replacements with my last phone, taking 3 tries to finally get one that wasn't physically beat up....and that one died literally 2 days before the warranty expired (thank god). I figured maybe the Droid being an expensive smartphone would have some better quality control, but unfortunately I know now thats not the case. First replacement came with a slider that would fall open when turned sideways. Second phone's proximity sensor didn't work. Third phone that I just received is similar to the first, with a loose headphone jack and peeling keys.

 

I've had many conversations with reps regarding my options (or lack there of) and their replacement policies. At one point a rep stated Verizon has one of the best replacement policies because they don't ever charge you for a warranty replacement, whereas many other carries do. I agreed that was nice, but also commented that it seemed pretty clear the money they're spending to ship/replace for free was just made up in reduced labor costs. Rather than have an employee evaluate and QA the phones, they make it the responsibility of the customer to have to complain about this issues that would have otherwise been found. There's no upfront customer cost, but instead a lot of time and frustration. He had no comment on that.

 

What I want to know is how a phone gets recertified and earns a like new status. Reading these forums, its clear I'm not the first to have this problem. People might say I shouldn't be so critical of the replacements, but its frustrating to keep your phone in great condition, only to have a Verizon update ruin all of that in an instant, followed by repeated replacements that are sub par. I'm not looking for a free upgrade, I just want a phone that is equal to the one I had...and it seems like Verizon's strategy is to just keep sending me phones until one is good enough, or I get sick of trying. My fear, however, is that even if the replacement looks good up front, whats to say it won't die months later when I am out of warranty. Then I'm stuck tacking on another two years onto my contract to get a discounted phone, buying one at full price, or buying one second hand.  Either way, more money out of my pocket that I shouldn't have to spend.

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Cobjones
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They basically make it look new (take out scratches, etc)

It also has to turn on and radio functions are tested to turn on (not connect).
This includes cell radio, wifi and GPS.

That is the basis of what gets release. They do not check the sliders past the point of opening and closing. They do not have a basis for release in regards to the "stiffness" of the slider.

In essence, the phone will look good, but may not be just like new.
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Detonation
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Cobjones wrote:

In essence, the phone will look good, but may not be just like new.

yet its "certified" to be like new...

 

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Cobjones
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I'm not disagreeing... I don't like it either... but the best way to keep cost down I. The long run
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Detonation
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Cobjones wrote:
I'm not disagreeing... I don't like it either... but the best way to keep cost down I. The long run

 

Yea keep the cost down for them. Rather than pay someone to check the phones, have the customers do it for free!

 

 

And you helped with my question, I'm just hoping to get some more discussion going on this 

 

 

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Cobjones
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Ohh and btw ... I just gave am answer to what you asked... what else do you want from me?
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Cobjones
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It keeps the cost down for us as well...

Just think, what if every returned phone was brand new... the cost would have to go up to justify for the phones being replaced that way.

The system isn't perfect, but I will take capitalism over socialism everyday.

If you don't like the policy or company you have the right to switch to another.
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shersher
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I understand your frustration!  I too baby my phone, and my hope is that it'll last me until my next upgrade. 

Seems that the standards of quality for refurbs is pretty low. 

 

What if you cough up the deductible?  Do you still keep getting refurbs or do you get a lesser quality Android phone (i.e.: Motorola Devour)? 

 

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ontheroad
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The deductible idea is interesting.  I am using my 4th Droid1 phone and having problems with it.  I asked if I could pay $100.00 and get a NEW different phone.  Verizon said no.  It would be worth it to be done with the hassle.  They offered me an "early upgrade:"  I pay upgrade price (ie: Droid2 would be $200.00) AND extend my contract for 2 more years.  Nope, not now. Lots of new phones and better service from other carriers might be offered by next year.  

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Cobjones
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I hear, and was offered a LG Ally for paying the deductible.

Atleast LG promised 2.2 for it. I would go for a refurb before an Ally though.
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shersher
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Seems like a no win situation there....

 

LG has made some quality phones in the past, but the Ally just doesn't compare to the other Droids available (Motorola Droids, HTC).  But that's a whole different topic........

 

 

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Cobjones
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If you call in and nicely complain you might get the option to upgrade early. You still have to pay the new contract price, but its another option.

I would complain to asurian, since they cannot supply an equal or better phone. The Ally is def worse, not a ton, but not on the same level.
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Detonation
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This isn't through insurance, just the manufacturer warranty everyone gets.

 

And I've politely called many times but it doesnt get me anywhere. I'm on a family plan with 4 lines thats have different NE2 dates, so any time I mention wanting to swap phones, they say just use another lines' NE2 to get one. Either way, I shouldn't have to spend more money on something I already paid for and to fix a problem that wasn't my fault.

 

What also bothers me is that apparently there are people just asking for Droid 2's as replacements and are receiving them without any trouble.

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shersher
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The whole refurb thing sucks...everyone know its & there really isn't much that can be done. :smileysad:

 

If it's a NEW phone you're looking for, it's not going to be free.  I think highly of Verizon, but I doubt they're going to say "Sorry our update screwed up your phone.  Please accept this Droid 2 as an apology".

 

 

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Cobjones
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As much as people say that they asked for a 2 and got one I doubt it...

I am sure that it was a last ditch effort for Verizon when they had a Droid shortage last couple of weeks.

You can just blindly call in either... you need to have a reason to call that is new to the phone you receive. If you call twice a week just to ask they will tell you no...

They also test the phones you send in to see if there is an issue. They note your account to see if you are just lying to get a new phone. They can tell if you do a factory reset, because it requires you to reprogram.
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shersher
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"NEW different phone"....carefull what you wish for.
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ontheroad
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I don't understand your comment - please explain.  Thanks.

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Cobjones
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What he is saying is that asurian might send you a lesser phone... they also have the right to send you a refurb.

If you do the asurian thing I would go into a store to ensure you get a new one.

If you order over then phone they might send you a refurb.
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shersher
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Yes, thank you Cobjones!

 

All the money you dished out for the Droid, another $100 for the deductible and they send you ANOTHER refurb or a lesser quality phone! 

 

I guess it's all how you look at it though....While I would be TICKED, some might just be grateful for a phone that is WORKING.

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ontheroad
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Thanks much for the answers.  I am just going to use the Droid I have as a phone for now - that does still work fairly well!  It is under warranty until March, '11.  Some of the apps I need do function.  I am not going to pay Verizon any more money than I have to.  If this Droid dies, I may go back to my LG enV3 - never had one problem and, among other things, VZ Navigator is more accurate than Google's service.  With my rebate, I paid $199 for my Droid and that's more than enough. 

 

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reallyniceguy
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Call motorola and ask them. They will tell you that its a phone that is legally certified to be called "like new". It goes trough the exact same inspection standards as a new phone. It goes trough their iso something .. I forgot what they said... but yeah by law they have to say certified like new. They cant say refurbished because reburbished is justa phone they got, wiped it clean and off to sale again.. Also verizon received a new batch of droid 1 a few weeks back.
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