Uninstall my Advanced Task Killer??

I kept mine (ATK), and am happy with it. I see no reasoning behind saying ATK is bad yet other (Android provided) task kilkers are good. Further, the Market app even kills apps when it upgrades them, and then there is the case of an app that will regularly force close. Inexperinced people will try and tell you that Andriod OS, and only Android OS, can safely shutdown an app. Ignore them, they can't explain the ability of the phone to survive an app that force closes on it's own :smileyhappy:

Sigh......
App killers on 2.2 use memory, and memory to kill apps additionally. Not to mention apps use no memory when not used so why are they killed?
And...... if you kill apps pre installed like Skype and Amazon mp3 they'll just restart like they are programmed to.
So let's recap....
Memory uses battery to power app killer, app killer uses battery to kill app, app memory uses battery to restart. App killer is still using memory and battery. App just 2 times the memory and battery to complete this nice cycle.
Uninstall your app killer, reboot your phone daily and your memory will not be wasting anything.

And if an app force closes all the time than why have it installed? Apps get about 3 times to force close on me before its uninstalled.

JoeBobHarris

I have never understood the debate as which is the safer way to kill an app, either letting the OS do it or using a task killer.

The OS seems to survive task killers just fine. My understanding of the debate is the need for a task killer.

Look at this very post, the originating post that is.

- Poor battery life

- Task killer set to automatic

You'll never know unless you try. Test it for a week. Reboot your phone at least once after a full charge daily if you can.
You'll be surprised at your battery life and how much time you wasted messing with an app killer.

AZSALUKI

joebob...i don't quite follow? are you saying you have

"-poor battery life

-task killer set to automatic" ????

hmmmmmm......

i'm not going to try to argue or convince anyone. i will tell you this....i no longer use one and it has had zero impact. uninstalling may have slightly helped my battery life, but if it did, it is barely noticeable. i know it did NOT hurt my battery life. i leave them running. i don't force close through settings or anything. apps are runnin wild and partying all day and night in the background of my phone....and it has NO negative impact.

JoeBobHarris

My post was poorly worded. No not me saying that.

I was quoting the originator of this thread who was having poor battery life and had task killer on "auto kill".

Was trying to show the correlation between having task killer on "full auto kill" and "poor battery life".

AZSALUKI wrote:
joebob...i don't quite follow? are you saying you have
"-poor battery life
-task killer set to automatic" ????

hmmmmmm......

i'm not going to try to argue or convince anyone. i will tell you this....i no longer use one and it has had zero impact. uninstalling may have slightly helped my battery life, but if it did, it is barely noticeable. i know it did NOT hurt my battery life. i leave them running. i don't force close through settings or anything. apps are runnin wild and partying all day and night in the background of my phone....and it has NO negative impact.

I have noticed a slight increase in battery life (abt 1 hour longer batt life each day) by not setting ATK to auto kill (which makes sense because it is essentially idle now). I just use it's one-click interface to manually kill things like the browser. For VZ Nav, i have to FC it (via ATK) a few times a day. My next tests will center around leaving VZ Nav running.

budone

I have looked over and over for VZ Nav under Manage Apps, Running and I never see it.

Do you get sms/txt msgs?

budone

w40d1n1 wrote:
Do you get sms/txt msgs?

If this is directed at me, yes, I have received about 20 today.Last one at 2:28pm.

I just sent myself a message, yes it is there. But there is no data or cache built. Nothing for me to lose sleep over. If worried about the program running, it would seem for it to TRULY BE RUNNING, you would need to subscribe to the service.

Interesting. Everytime i get a txt VZ Nav starts up.

I have already told you why.

Right, but that didn't stop, nor allow me to control, the app from auto-starting. BTW, I already told you that too. No need to keep replying to me for the replies I make to others. Your opinions are well known to me.

w40d1n1 wrote:
Right, but that didn't stop, nor allow me to control, the app from auto-starting. BTW, I already told you that too. No need to keep replying to me for the replies I make to others. Your opinions are well known to me.

Sorry this is a forum, and you just so happen to be in this thread as well. You said something that matches the same thread and I just responded to it. IF you knew my opinion and understood what we have been trying to tell you. You wouldn't have said the same response. It's using a part of the system that when it is called up that anything associated with that system part will be activated. If that part is already in RAM anything associated with it will have 0 processes therefor USE NO BATTERY. Android WANTS thing in ram and that's how it multitasks. IT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WINDOWS.

That is factually not true. If what you say were true, then any app, that used the internet, would cause the loading of every other app that might use the internet. I don't use Windows, I use Linux and Solaris. So it's just possible, since Android is based on Linux, that my developer skills trump your forum uppercase posts.

Isn't it possible that these apps are coded to run constantly though in order to be used. Not that I'd use these apps like vz-nav but I get prompts to choose certain apps while normally navigating my phone.
Not to mention these lame apps I don't use can't be uninstalled, or killed for long durations. So I'm thinking that these programmers did this with the logic that at some point I'm going to click it, or develop brand loyalty. You know that whole marketing strategy on how to flash subliminal messages to get people to use certain products?
Is this just wishful thinking by corporate bosses ordering programmers to write dirty software? Nobody can deny or prove this I know.
I still believe that these programs run with little to no memory effecting battery SIGNIFICANTLY. Like my caps? Lol
It's a pest, and not going to anywhere anytime soon. Should you kill it? Sure. Will it help? Maybe. Will anyone actually figure that out? Doubtful.
All I know is I'm typing this on my phone without a task killer installed and until I read this thread I totally forgot those apps were running.
Run a task killer if you want. To me its just a waste of time. I have better things to do on my phone other than making sure some lame apps get killed.

w40d1n1 wrote:
That is factually not true. If what you say were true, then any app, that used the internet, would cause the loading of every other app that might use the internet. I don't use Windows, I use Linux and Solaris. So it's just possible, since Android is based on Linux, that my developer skills trump your forum uppercase posts.

Sorry, but anyone can say anything on the web and may not be true at all. YOU have yet to show proof WHAT SO EVER to debunk what I have said other than you are a developer. Where's the facts? I have shown you LINKS STRAIGHT FROM GOOGLE.

So unless you are the one who developed Android or ever worked for Android INC prior to Google buying them. You have no idea what you are talking about with regards to information coming STRAIGHT from Google.

budone

To add to my reply earlier, as I said VZ Nav does show up after a text. Tonight I kind of but not closely paid attention, I sent a text around 9pm or so, it was there, I poked around on the internet, went to FB. by 9:30 when I thought to look, VZ Nav was not on the list any longer. No app killer trying to kill everything, it disappeared on it own.

When I got home I have had, 15 hr of up time, just short of 3 hrs awake time and 28% left on the battery. I am not a heavy user, but I think that is pretty good for the battery. I just wish it charged quicker.

> Sorry, but anyone can say anything on the web and may not be true at all.

> I have shown you LINKS STRAIGHT FROM GOOGLE.

Whoa. Google isn't the web?

Don't forget that Google is one of the worlds largest advertising and marketing companies, Google also said Wave was the wave of the future. Show me some real consensus on the issue, not just one or two guys who write with a weighted hand.

AZSALUKI

Budone....I think that is just about exactly what an average user should get if they have a properly working device. I average 20+ hours of up time and just about 3 hours of awake time before I have to charge. I would call myself a moderate user. I rarely am actually using my device for 3+ hours so I rarely have to charge it before the end of the day.

w40d1n1 wrote:
> Sorry, but anyone can say anything on the web and may not be true at all.

> I have shown you LINKS STRAIGHT FROM GOOGLE.

Whoa. Google isn't the web?

Don't forget that Google is one of the worlds largest advertising and marketing companies, Google also said Wave was the wave of the future. Show me some real consensus on the issue, not just one or two guys who write with a weighted hand.

Dude... You know how silly that sounds? Were you even reading? Google owns and distributes what? ANDROID

They went on public record explaining what is happening... So who should I believe you someone who claims they are a programming, or the COMPANY that maintains, and distributes ANDROID? Google DEVELOPERS have already spoke of the issue and it's been linked and ARE straight from them, and not from some joe-smoe down the street who believes they are a programmer.

I am sorry I'd rather believe them more than you. You have not shown anything that shows differently.

Google's Android developers have a need to prove to the world that Android doesn't need a task killer, since iOS doesn't need one. ATK, et.al., was and is a product that made Android (sans an internal auto task killer) look bad. Less than 2 months ago, on this forum, ppl were commenting on how Android should wake up and include ATK'esqe features. In short, I believe that the Android developers are anti-ATK, cheifly because the need for ATK made the Android v2.1 platform look lame. Therefore I don't take everything they (one guy?) write about on this issue. Again, i'll remind you that Google has a habit of sayong what they think needs to be said, at the time, and then changing their story later (Wave, China, Yahoo, etc). For now, I still think the jury is out on the Android internal task manager (it's less than 1 yr old). But to the point of auto starting apps, that is a feature with a curious lack of available data. If you have a link to share......

Ok listen to the fandroid sites, and believe in that. IF there was ANY reading comprehension between your ears, and if you read the post by Google. It was target specific task killers especially ones that show system apps not as systems apps. This is how people are getting the black screens randomly, and such. Google changed the codes and put in a TK just to make people like you quiet down and feel important. As you said Google is a marketing company... So it may actually do nothing for all you know, but it makes you feel like you are doing something.

Still haven't shown anything revelant to disprove Google. Even rom developers have personally stated ATK's are worthless.

Tidbits, take a breather...you are writting words that suggest you are worked up and upset.

I know what I know, same for you. We obviously disagree. Happens to people all day long.