Would you trade your Bionic for a Droid Razr?

[mlknez]

If Motorola/Verizon finally figured out that they angered users by bringing out an improved phone (Razr) over their heavily hyped  and heavily flawed flagship phone (Bionic) just outside of the return period, would you consider returning your Bionic for a free Razr?

[MikeSobe]

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brutethunder wrote:

jimfitzgerald. You might be waiting till summer or longer. For one not one Android or LTE device put out in 2011 for VZW is a proven device. And wont be until we get a consistent network. 3g has slowed down a ton since last year, and 4g hand off kills 3g signal to the phone a lot. Very unstable network. I don't believe the whole blame is on the software of the device either. I believe a lot is on Verizon.

Anyways can't wait for your complaints. These new highend phones have a lot more technology in them that can go wrong even after updates and bug fixes. Between android fragmentation and Verizon's network issues no phone is perfect.

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Once Qualcomm's new chip comes out (http://www.anandtech.com/show/4940/qualcomm-new-snapdragon-s4-msm8960-krait-architecture) I think we'll see a big improvement in battery life and network connection.  The Bionic (like the Thunderbolt and other LTE phones) currently use two different chips, one for LTE and one for the rest of cell connectivity.  Check out step 12 in the iFixit link.  The black outlined one is Moto's (LTE) and the green one is Qualcomm's.

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola-Droid-Bionic-Teardown/6449/2

[vidguy7]

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PJNC284 wrote:

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jimfitzgerald wrote:
I'll probably upgrade my Droid in early 2012, but I won't buy a phone that has not been out for a few months. I don't want to deal with all the issues as evidenced on this forum.

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Most of the ones complaining are going to be complaining regardless of which Android  phone they have.  Android certainly isn't meant for everyone and some are slower to learn that than others.

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I'll agree with that.

[vidguy7]

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Doc832 wrote:

Well right now I would trade the BIONIC for something that works. The data loss problem is getting very old. Needed to read a document yesterday while on the phone in 4g area and lost everything. No phone, no data just a brick in my hand. So as for trading it in I would if something else worked. When it works its fine. It seems when I really need that DATA connection for work it fails. More than 60% of the people with this phone having problems of all types.

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Really?  Can you show us this national survey that shows '60%' of Bionic users have problems? Does this same 'survey' show the percentages for users of other phones.  The internet is a wonderful place. Say what you want without any substantiation.

I also find it interesting that with 60% of users having 'issues' as you describe, that the phone would receive 4 1/2 out of 5 stars on Verizon's website from over 1,100 users.  Guess there are over 1,100 'lucky' owners. 

[vidguy7]

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Murat wrote:

You don't, but seriously, it can't be bad as the Bionic.

My theory is that they learned about all their screw ups with the Bionic and they'll fix it on RAZR and then release it.  The ones who bought the abomination has to deal with it, I'm not so sure that some of the issues on the Bionic can be fixed with a software update.

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Once again, it's YOUR opinion that the Bionic is so 'screwed up'.  Try a Charge if you want a screwed up phone IMO. But your experience with the Bionic is not everyone's experience.  Best to state "IMO" as opposed to a sweeping generalization.

[#6]

I think it's understood that everything posted on the internet is someone's opinion.

[vidguy7]

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jimfitzgerald wrote:
I think it's understood that everything posted on the internet is someone's opinion.

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You mean like when someones says '60% of Bionic users have issues'?  Uh huh.

[gerio]

And now to bust PJ's theory wide open, go search for my posts in the Droid X forum, then take a look at my more recent posts here.

Dontcha just love generalizations?

Geri O

[PJNC284]

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gerio wrote:
And now to bust PJ's theory wide open, go search for my posts in the Droid X forum, then take a look at my more recent posts here.

Dontcha just love generalizations?

Geri O

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Reading comprehension is key. I said MOST not all. One or even a handful doesn't disprove that

[gerio]

So is reading between the lines, PJ. Figure it out.

G

[Jakeman93063]

Not in a million years.

We are noticing a huge amount of issues on our Bionics mostly because Mortorola did a poor job is testing the phone, and then they turned it over to Verizon who did a worse job of testing the phone (or they let it go to production knowing it had issues) and I dont fault them for it (too much). Every device or piece of software we buy today has bugs and flaws, and there is no way to get around that.

Now if the RAZR was basically a second generation Bionic with all of the bugs worked out, I would consider it, but it is not.  The technologies are not the same (while close,, they are different).  The RAZR will have just as many issues as the Bionic does, some may be the same, some may be new but it will have them (come back and watch the RAZR Boards in a month and see).  So I am going to my Software purchasing rule for phones now, and that rule is, after the first patch is available, I will consider it out of test mode, and consider buying it.

Other things on the RAZR I do not like is the Fixed Battery because it eliminates one very important thing on a phone and that is the soft reboot or Battery Pull.  If your phone freezes and the buttons do not function, on your Bionic, you can pull the battery out, and when it reboots, most of the time you will have functionality.  Try that on a RAZR!! Impossible since the battery does not come out..  They might have some button combinations in place to do the soft reboot, but if your buttons and keys are NON Functional, it would be real hard to get that to work now anyway.

Also Kevlar, while good for Bullet Proof Vests, and strengthening Fiberglass, has NO Benefit in a phone. 

While the RAZR might be slimmer then the Bionic, it is still larger (footprint) and quite frankly I want smaller on a phone.

[Doc832]

On lesson for me on the whole failure of the cell phone is that it is not capable of being your soul phone. You always have to have a back up cell. My home phone line that I cancelled 2 yrs ago was expensive for the few times I used it. However, every phone I ever bought for the line always worked. Some for 30 yrs without a problem. The rush to put out new and inferior products to gain market share is a sham. Not sure this will ever get fixed but I hope so. I spent 20x on this phone and as much for a lap top.

[#13]

Actually, I don't want a "soul phone."

[Doc832]

Sorry about that it should have been Sole phone. Either way the network and phones are too unreliable

[razo]

Evening all. No I would not trade, I know I would not like the form/fit of the Razr and I guarantee the Razr is going to have battery issues considering it is a sealed, high capacity unit inside of a phone with a very small form factor. And you can have the aluminum/kevlar housing, aluminum dents, bends, etc compared to modern plastics.

The Bionic is a good solid unit.

[Camdog]

Ummm YES I AM TRADING IN MY BIONIC FOR THE RAZR.  Who wouldn't?  With all the problems I have had with the Bionic I am glad to get rid of it.  I lose network connection EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!!!!!  Every time I restart my phone I lose one or two apps.  Plus Vz and Moto screw all of us Bionic buyers by waiting 9 months for the phone to come out and behind the senses they made a faster and better phone to come out less then 2 months later.  I am so glad that I am upgrading my phone and will be selling my bionic. 

And to answer all your questions no I don't know if the Razr will have problems but I can guarantee I won't lose network connection or lose apps. 

[Tidbits]

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Camdog wrote:

Ummm YES I AM TRADING IN MY BIONIC FOR THE RAZR.  Who wouldn't?  With all the problems I have had with the Bionic I am glad to get rid of it.  I lose network connection EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!!!!!  Every time I restart my phone I lose one or two apps.  Plus Vz and Moto screw all of us Bionic buyers by waiting 9 months for the phone to come out and behind the senses they made a faster and better phone to come out less then 2 months later.  I am so glad that I am upgrading my phone and will be selling my bionic. 

And to answer all your questions no I don't know if the Razr will have problems but I can guarantee I won't lose network connection or lose apps. 

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What is there is other problems, and the update happens for the bionic that fixes the problems?  Would you regret it again?

[vidguy7]

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Tidbits wrote:

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Camdog wrote:

Ummm YES I AM TRADING IN MY BIONIC FOR THE RAZR.  Who wouldn't?  With all the problems I have had with the Bionic I am glad to get rid of it.  I lose network connection EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!!!!!  Every time I restart my phone I lose one or two apps.  Plus Vz and Moto screw all of us Bionic buyers by waiting 9 months for the phone to come out and behind the senses they made a faster and better phone to come out less then 2 months later.  I am so glad that I am upgrading my phone and will be selling my bionic. 

And to answer all your questions no I don't know if the Razr will have problems but I can guarantee I won't lose network connection or lose apps. 

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What is there is other problems, and the update happens for the bionic that fixes the problems?  Would you regret it again?

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He will regret it when he can't through a day on the sealed battery with the only option being to recharge it. I just don't know what Motorola was thinking making this unit sealed. I don't think anyone would have screamed if it were slightly thicker and allow the case to be opened and the battery to be replaced.

Bad move Motorola. Apple did the same thing, but ofcourse that's to get your money on battery replacements.

[ajnevares1]

lesson learned for sure...i should have passed on this phone, or as suggested before by a previous poster, waited a few months. its a good phone, but i think of my previous phone (Incredible 2) and miss having a phone that always worked! since we are stuck with this device, hopefully the software update whips it into shape.

RAZR does look nice, but i think in the end as mentioned several times before, the inability to remove the battery and limitation to replace is with an extended battery is going to be the fall of that phone.

[Tidbits]

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ajnevares1 wrote:

lesson learned for sure...i should have passed on this phone, or as suggested before by a previous poster, waited a few months. its a good phone, but i think of my previous phone (Incredible 2) and miss having a phone that always worked! since we are stuck with this device, hopefully the software update whips it into shape.

 One could say the same about the Incredible 2 being full of problems.  Like with anything with mass production nothing is 100% going to work out of the box.  Some people may or could experience problems while others do not.  No device is 100% regardless of the device even when it's the same device.  It happens...  I had a few devices that flat out I considered junk, but my neighbor has the same device and his works like it should.  I have returned a few and the next device worked 1000x better.  

RAZR does look nice, but i think in the end as mentioned several times before, the inability to remove the battery and limitation to replace is with an extended battery is going to be the fall of that phone.

I don't think so.  Not everyone is a power users.   They may lose at best 10% of the sales due to it, but I don't see them missing a whole lot.  If it gets the kind of battery life my wife gets with her i4S(2-3 days) a lot of people would be happy with just the battery regardless if it is removable or not.

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[vidguy7]

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Tidbits wrote:

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ajnevares1 wrote:If it gets the kind of battery life my wife gets with her i4S(2-3 days) a lot of people would be happy with just the battery regardless if it is removable or not.

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It won't. I read a review this morning praising the phone but slamming the sealed battery. They said they could only get to about the evening with light use and the battery would die.

[Tidbits]

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vidguy7 wrote:

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Tidbits wrote:

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ajnevares1 wrote:If it gets the kind of battery life my wife gets with her i4S(2-3 days) a lot of people would be happy with just the battery regardless if it is removable or not.

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It won't. I read a review this morning praising the phone but slamming the sealed battery. They said they could only get to about the evening with light use and the battery would die.

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That's a catch 22.  They may consider light use, but could actually have more use than what they say.  People are different and use their devices different.  Also these people don't factor in...  You might not be using it, but your backgroud data is still going updating scores, weather, and such so their "llight" usage is more in line with medium to heavy usage.