Free 4G til May 15th scares me....
jdudley1019
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Okay I get my new upgrade on April 19th (wanting to get the Tbolt).  However, I know we get free 4G til May 15th, however, the price for the 4G hotspot after 5/15 makes me reconsider the Tbolt.  I've done some research on this phone and knowing that it has some complaints (which honestly all phones do), but not knowing how much the 4G hotspot will cost (monthly) is nerve racking!!  And the website says that the Tbolt has to have the 4G package.

 

What if I get the Tbolt and the hotspot costs $50/mo. for 2GB or whatever (which I cannot necessarily afford)?  I know I can afford the $29.99 unlimited data and $20 (for 2GB) for the hotspot (like the standard plan for 3G) but if VZW makes 4G $50 for the hotspot I'm screwed!  That would be $80.00 just to have some fast internet (and other features) on my phone.  Now I know that VZW isn't forcing me to buy this phone but I'd like to know the price for the 4G before buying it so that I'm not trapped into a 2 year contract paying $80/month. 

 

So I guess the question I'm getting at is if anyone has asked this question to any VZW employees?  Do they have any knowledge or predictions on the price of the mobile 4G hotspot?  I don't see why they'd make it higher than $20/$30 for 4G if the 4G coverage is SO limited.  All I read on these forums and such is how 4G constantly will switch to 3G.  I could understand raising the price once the 4G coverage is more established (which their prediction is 2013 for full nationwide coverage), but now I'm not sure it's worth an increase from the 3G ($20/mo. for 2GB).

 

I really REALLY want this phone so please help if possible.  Thanks!

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21stNow
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jdudley1019 wrote:

Okay.  I'm new to smartphones completely so they don't make much since to me.  My life isn't that special where I'd need to connect to my computer or any other devices for that matter.  I just want to surf the web, update social status, be able to look up anything I want.  So from what I'm understanding, y'all are saying that 4G LTE mobile hotspot is just being able to access my laptop from my phone?  Well I wouldn't want that so if I have the option of not opting in...will I still have the 4G LTE speed?  Or will it be just another phone?


 

 

Your 4G data plan for your line of service is only for data usage on your phone.  If you are in a 4G area, you will receive 4G data speeds.  You will have to maintain the data plan on your phone for the life of the contract.  Tethering is a separate option that is an add-on feature.  VZW is allowing you to try that add-on feature for free until May 15th.  It sounds like you don't want it, so you just wouldn't use the feature.  I'm unsure if it's opt-out or opt-in.  Everyone here is saying that the tethering feature is opt-in after the 15th of May, so you should be fine.  The tethering plan is not required to use the Thunderbolt.  HTH

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Tidbits
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jdudley1019 wrote:

Okay I get my new upgrade on April 19th (wanting to get the Tbolt).  However, I know we get free 4G til May 15th, however, the price for the 4G hotspot after 5/15 makes me reconsider the Tbolt.  I've done some research on this phone and knowing that it has some complaints (which honestly all phones do), but not knowing how much the 4G hotspot will cost (monthly) is nerve racking!!  And the website says that the Tbolt has to have the 4G package.

 

What if I get the Tbolt and the hotspot costs $50/mo. for 2GB or whatever (which I cannot necessarily afford)?  I know I can afford the $29.99 unlimited data and $20 (for 2GB) for the hotspot (like the standard plan for 3G) but if VZW makes 4G $50 for the hotspot I'm screwed!  That would be $80.00 just to have some fast internet (and other features) on my phone.  Now I know that VZW isn't forcing me to buy this phone but I'd like to know the price for the 4G before buying it so that I'm not trapped into a 2 year contract paying $80/month. 

 

So I guess the question I'm getting at is if anyone has asked this question to any VZW employees?  Do they have any knowledge or predictions on the price of the mobile 4G hotspot?  I don't see why they'd make it higher than $20/$30 for 4G if the 4G coverage is SO limited.  All I read on these forums and such is how 4G constantly will switch to 3G.  I could understand raising the price once the 4G coverage is more established (which their prediction is 2013 for full nationwide coverage), but now I'm not sure it's worth an increase from the 3G ($20/mo. for 2GB).

 

I really REALLY want this phone so please help if possible.  Thanks!


Uhm...  The price doesn't change... The promotion is unlimited 4G mobile hotspot until 5/15...  You still pay the $29.99 for the unlimited data.  After 5/15 we won't have the free hotspot, and it's unknown how much they'll charge for it.  After that date you are NOT tied into a "tethering package."

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stearic
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Tidbits wrote:

Uhm...  The price doesn't change... The promotion is unlimited 4G mobile hotspot until 5/15...  You still pay the $29.99 for the unlimited data.  After 5/15 we won't have the free hotspot, and it's unknown how much they'll charge for it.  After that date you are NOT tied into a "tethering package."


So when 5/15 rolls around and the mobile hotspot promo ends, they wont' just auto add it to our accounts w/out our concent?

 

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budone
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My understanding is you will be required to Opt-In
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dimap
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I''ve heard it will remain $20 for 2 Gig, $20 per 2 add'l gig, rediculous) and i've also heard the 4G version will be $30 for unlimited Hotspot, but these are all unconfirmed so who knows.

 

Personally as I have felt for years, tethering/hotspot FEATURES should be FREE (as in included with data plan), as they are on just about every other carrier in every country in the world except US. So I'm HOPING that Verizon sees fit to keep it that way after  5/15. I'd gladly take a capped data plan in exchange for included tethering over unlimited data which is in fact what the foreign carriers do (usually included tethering with data plans of either 500 Meg or 1 Gig or more).

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ibanez737
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You aren't tied into the Hotspot plan at all.  That's just to broadcast a wifi signal from your Tbolt to connect other devices to the internet.  When it's done, it just drops off and you have to either opt in from the phone, the website or with an employee.  The price hasn't been disclosed yet, but I can tell you it won't be $50

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ibanez737 wrote:

You aren't tied into the Hotspot plan at all.  That's just to broadcast a wifi signal from your Tbolt to connect other devices to the internet.  When it's done, it just drops off and you have to either opt in from the phone, the website or with an employee.  The price hasn't been disclosed yet, but I can tell you it won't be $50


And it will not be unlimited

 

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ibanez737
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budone wrote:

 


ibanez737 wrote:

You aren't tied into the Hotspot plan at all.  That's just to broadcast a wifi signal from your Tbolt to connect other devices to the internet.  When it's done, it just drops off and you have to either opt in from the phone, the website or with an employee.  The price hasn't been disclosed yet, but I can tell you it won't be $50


And it will not be unlimited

 


You might be surprised :smileyhappy:

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jdudley1019
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Okay.  I'm new to smartphones completely so they don't make much since to me.  My life isn't that special where I'd need to connect to my computer or any other devices for that matter.  I just want to surf the web, update social status, be able to look up anything I want.  So from what I'm understanding, y'all are saying that 4G LTE mobile hotspot is just being able to access my laptop from my phone?  Well I wouldn't want that so if I have the option of not opting in...will I still have the 4G LTE speed?  Or will it be just another phone?

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jdudley1019 wrote:

Okay.  I'm new to smartphones completely so they don't make much since to me.  My life isn't that special where I'd need to connect to my computer or any other devices for that matter.  I just want to surf the web, update social status, be able to look up anything I want.  So from what I'm understanding, y'all are saying that 4G LTE mobile hotspot is just being able to access my laptop from my phone?  Well I wouldn't want that so if I have the option of not opting in...will I still have the 4G LTE speed?  Or will it be just another phone?


 

 

Your 4G data plan for your line of service is only for data usage on your phone.  If you are in a 4G area, you will receive 4G data speeds.  You will have to maintain the data plan on your phone for the life of the contract.  Tethering is a separate option that is an add-on feature.  VZW is allowing you to try that add-on feature for free until May 15th.  It sounds like you don't want it, so you just wouldn't use the feature.  I'm unsure if it's opt-out or opt-in.  Everyone here is saying that the tethering feature is opt-in after the 15th of May, so you should be fine.  The tethering plan is not required to use the Thunderbolt.  HTH

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jdudley1019
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Thank you 21stNow and to everyone that posted!!  Very helpful and I think with that said...I'm gettin' the Tbolt in 2 weeks!! 

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wmaddenpgh
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Ok, here's the deal - I'm an EE who specializes in network communications.  Here's a REALLY simple way to understand how all this stuff works.

 

The 4G plan Verizon is offering you on your phone is the equivalent of if you had a REALLY high speed cable modem that had one ethernet plug you could plug your computer into.  In this case, the computer is your phone.  Imagine the cable modem was so small it fit into your phone and hade a radio instead of a landline connection, so you could walk around and do everything you wanted all over the world,  (assuming the software could handle the really small screen and underpowered processor) that your computer could do.  It knows how to find the data at the Verizon level, and get it to your phone, even if the data is in China.  That means you could connect to Pandora with unlimited music, watch YouTube, surf (some) of the Net, use Fring or Skype (assuming Skype worked on your phone) to make free video calls, connect to Picassa, Photobucket, etc.  Everything (more or less) works for $29.95. 

 

That's pretty easy, because you're one number on the network and that number never changes, and because the size of the screen and other stuff is fixed, it's easy to calculate how much information comes down the "pipe."  For most people, this is about 5-10 GB per month.

 

Teathering is a different thing, and it can be looked at one of two or three ways from the pricing perspective.

 

When you "teather" to a 4G device as a "hotspot," you're accessing the "routing" function of the device.  There's a difference between a modem and a router - a modem connects one device and modulates/demodulates (MoDeM) the information from the phone company into something a computer can understand.  A router understands how to "route" that data to four to eight other devices that know how to talk to a local network (think - your iPod, your GPS and your Laptop.)  and get data back to those devices, in addition to your phone, from China.

 

In the old days, routing was done by women sitting in rolling chairs, plugging patch cables into a "switch" to connect to "Pennsylvania 6-5000" if you've seen the old movie. (PA 6-5000 was the same as 192.168.136.8 as a network address.) Your phone now knows where "Pennsylvania 6-5000 is, and about a BILLION other things that don't require women in rolling chairs.  It also knows where your iPod is, and your camera, and your Laptop, assuming they have wireless access to the "hotspot" and you've told them to connect.

 

So one way to look at pricing is to look at if the "hotspot" costs Verizon anything more to provide.  Since you provide the "pipe" (your wi-fi connection) between the router and your devices (iPod, Laptop, etc.) there's no cost to Verizon there.  But they have given you a function you'd have to buy - routing services.  Today a router costs $19.95, so that's not the cost. 

 

What you're supposedly paying for is the size of the "pipe".  If you think about your toilette, you understand how the "pipe" works - if you put too much crap in your toilette, everything stops when you flush it.  That's the fundamental "Mobile Broadband" service, independent of 3G/4G - the pipe from Verizon's server to your phone, and the diameter of that "pipe" is how fast <ahem> stuff flows into your phone, and down through the stacks into the sewer.. 

 

The "router" is the "Stack" in your house - you're toilette is on the same stack as your shower, your sink and maybe your utility tub (you iPad, iPhone, laptop, and Xbox.) Unlike your house, though, the "stuff" flows from the sewer (the INternet) into your house.  And THAT'S what you're paying for - a BIG stack so you can get more stuff if you teather.  Or at least that's the argument.

 

I am a road warrior - I haven't had a home in almost three years.  I live on the road in hotels, both in the US and internationally.  I'm kinda like George Clooney in Up in the Air, without the good hair, a big beer belly, and a bad smile.  My lifeline is my mobile connection.  I use it to watch the Steelers' on my Slingbox, watch the NHL and MLB packages over the internet in HD, the occassional streaming movie on Netflix (normally my Netflix DVDs are chasing me around the country/world) Hulu, etc.  I've got a lot of "Stuff" flowing into my system.

 

I have an unlimited Sprint connection at 6-12 kbs in the 4G areas.  I also have the Verizon 4G service.  My Verizon service doesn't give me an advantage over 4G, and tomorrow, I'll have to pay more to teather, despite the fact that the towers have the same bandwidth capabilities.  IMO, at this point, Verizon would be charging me to provide them with my routing services.

 

I will not be signing up for Verizon's mobile hotspot plan on the 4g until they stop charging me for providing them with my internal "Stack."  However, I am the exception - Most people are not going with their primary internet off of a mobile device.  And if you already have home internet, regularly eat at McDonalds or some other hotspot provider, etc.  $20/month for 2 GB of teathering is going to be more than you need.

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my3chis
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The Mobile Hotspot and your Unlimited data are 2 different things. The Unlimited Data for $29.95 is when you surf the web on your phone. The Free Mobile Hotspot until 5/15 is when you use your phone as an internet connection for your laptop/ipod/ipad web surfing.
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sandyinmiami
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I got my TB about 10th days ago & tried the hotspot this weekend, thinking I could give up my home internet...no such luck. My laptop connected to it was slower than dial up from 15 years ago. I don't know how useful that could be. Might as well just use the phone for internet & Bluetooth it to a printer.
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sandyinmiami wrote:
I got my TB about 10th days ago & tried the hotspot this weekend, thinking I could give up my home internet...no such luck. My laptop connected to it was slower than dial up from 15 years ago. I don't know how useful that could be. Might as well just use the phone for internet & Bluetooth it to a printer.

My results are no where near this.. Maybe it was a bad weekend for the network have you tried again?
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sandyinmiami
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No, I haven't tried again. I'll try again tonight and report back. I was hopeful that for somewhere between $20 to $40/mo, based on usage, I could rid myself of the despised AT&T that costs me $70.

I'm like you jdudley - new to smartphones. And I seriously balked at the $30/mo data plan. But I'm enjoying the heck out of learning all the new technology. It's like having the whole world in your pocket. And while 4G is awesome - 3G is faster than my computers at home or work. For me it's a win win deal. I think you'll love your new TB.

ps: sorry for the threadjack :smileyhappy:
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No way are you going to be able to replace your home internet with tethering your phone. Right now, 3G tethering is $20 for 2GB. I would think the 4G will be the same or maybe more expensive. Whatever it is, it's not intended to replace your home internet service and won't be enough capacity.
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sandyinmiami
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Well, that's good to know. I thought maybe it was just my house. What is the purpose of tethering then? Emergency laptop usage?
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sandyinmiami wrote:
Well, that's good to know. I thought maybe it was just my house. What is the purpose of tethering then? Emergency laptop usage?

Most business use it for on the go quick data transfers.  To quickly send documents and such without having to go home or a place of your business.  Normal consumers tend to use it to replace their internet and don't like the pricing.  It wasn't intended to be a replacement of landline internet.

 

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21stNow
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sandyinmiami wrote:
Well, that's good to know. I thought maybe it was just my house. What is the purpose of tethering then? Emergency laptop usage?

 

Yes, and non-emergency laptop usage, as well. 

 

With the emergence of tablets on the market, and Wi-fi only versions of the tablets being cheaper, many people want to use the phone's mobile hotspot feature with their tablets.  This is often done when people are out and about, and don't want to read websites extensively on a small phone screen.

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sandyinmiami
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Thank you both so much for the information.

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