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Is it Possible it is Verizon's Network and Not the Fascinate With the Problem

wardcst24

Is it Possible it is Verizon's network and Not the Fascinate With the Problem

I have talked to people in my area that are having no Problems with there Fascinate

And I see Posts where People are having no Problems

Is it possible that it is the Network that does not like some phones and loses them

Not our phones not waking up

If it is the phone it should be all or none--It almost smells of a Network Issue

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SFObrien

Good question. There have been pretty good debates on that on other forums. It seems alot of the issues started when the 4g network crashed awhile back. There have been reports of other devices having missed call issues as well but not as many as the Fascinate.

If you look at one of the fixes, the ESN swap (DMU reset) resets your data on the network pointing to a network issue. However this did not work for all.

Second, different ROM and radios fix or work better pointing to a software issue. I tried Gingerbread leak EC09 (still using the modem/radio) and the signal was much stronger and locked on 3G with no issue or missed calls, again points to a software issue with the Fascinate and Froyo.

My opinion is the problems are a combination of both and time for Samsung and VZW to release official Gingerbread and this phone will be good to go.

wardcst24

Or I was thinking another thought the only thing that is the same that could be causing my problems

1. Network

2. Maybe my SD card

3.Samsung software

It has to be one or a combination not sure

But they sent a brand new phone and that had no effect it still missed calls--but had same SD card

Tarrant

Uhh, it's not your SD card. Trust me. :smileyhappy:

nickjr

SFObrien wrote:
Good question. There have been pretty good debates on that on other forums. It seems alot of the issues started when the 4g network crashed awhile back. There have been reports of other devices having missed call issues as well but not as many as the Fascinate.

If you look at one of the fixes, the ESN swap (DMU reset) resets your data on the network pointing to a network issue. However this did not work for all.

Second, different ROM and radios fix or work better pointing to a software issue. I tried Gingerbread leak EC09 (still using the modem/radio) and the signal was much stronger and locked on 3G with no issue or missed calls, again points to a software issue with the Fascinate and Froyo.

My opinion is the problems are a combination of both and time for Samsung and VZW to release official Gingerbread and this phone will be good to go.

I wish they would upgrade all Fascinate users to Gingerbread, but instead of OTA, let each user d/l the update and run it from their computer.. I never liked OTA

no_service

wardcst24 wrote:
Is it Possible it is Verizon's network and Not the Fascinate With the Problem
I have talked to people in my area that are having no Problems with there Fascinate
And I see Posts where People are having no Problems
Is it possible that it is the Network that does not like some phones and loses them
Not our phones not waking up
If it is the phone it should be all or none--It almost smells of a Network Issue

No, it's not the network (for the missed calls/text problem). It's pretty clear from the way it happens that the call is going through the network to the phone just fine but the handset is not responding to it properly. If you happen to turn on the screen in the middle of one of these "missed calls" the call will suddenly be there. I know this from testing my phone constantly for these calls and when I call myself from another phone and my Fascinate does not ring, if (before it goes to voicemail) I turn on my Fascinate screen, I see myself calling and it will then ring. This would not be possible if it were a network issue because the call would not have reached the handset. There are other things about the issue that, as a software engineer, makes it clear to me it is 100% software, but I don't have time to write all that and it wouldn't make sense to most people anyway. But I'm certain it is 100% an issue on the handset.

Edit: Also, about the people who are not having the problem, there are two likely reasons.

1. They are and don't know it - I've met several people like this and I showed them they were or their friends/family who were around when we were talking told them they were and they just hadn't been aware of it.

2. They have apps on their phone that are preventing the problem from surfacing. Many people are using apps that, even though it is not their intent, are not written well and keep the phone awake all the time or wake it up often enough that the problem will not surface. There are A LOT of apps like this so it would not be unusual for someone who does not even have many apps on their phone to have one of these.

nickjr

no_service wrote:
wardcst24 wrote:
Is it Possible it is Verizon's network and Not the Fascinate With the Problem
I have talked to people in my area that are having no Problems with there Fascinate
And I see Posts where People are having no Problems
Is it possible that it is the Network that does not like some phones and loses them
Not our phones not waking up
If it is the phone it should be all or none--It almost smells of a Network Issue
No, it's not the network (for the missed calls/text problem). It's pretty clear from the way it happens that the call is going through the network to the phone just fine but the handset is not responding to it properly. If you happen to turn on the screen in the middle of one of these "missed calls" the call will suddenly be there. I know this from testing my phone constantly for these calls and when I call myself from another phone and my Fascinate does not ring, if (before it goes to voicemail) I turn on my Fascinate screen, I see myself calling and it will then ring. This would not be possible if it were a network issue because the call would not have reached the handset. There are other things about the issue that, as a software engineer, makes it clear to me it is 100% software, but I don't have time to write all that and it wouldn't make sense to most people anyway. But I'm certain it is 100% an issue on the handset.

Edit: Also, about the people who are not having the problem, there are two likely reasons.
1. They are and don't know it - I've met several people like this and I showed them they were or their friends/family who were around when we were talking told them they were and they just hadn't been aware of it.
2. They have apps on their phone that are preventing the problem from surfacing. Many people are using apps that, even though it is not their intent, are not written well and keep the phone awake all the time or wake it up often enough that the problem will not surface. There are A LOT of apps like this so it would not be unusual for someone who does not even have many apps on their phone to have one of these.

I also feel it is the software that caused these issues we are experencing...

SFObrien

nickjr wrote:
I wish they would upgrade all Fascinate users to Gingerbread, but instead of OTA, let each user d/l the update and run it from their computer.. I never liked OTA

Same here. I always liked updating Blackberry without OTA.

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