Here a link about the latest thing Samsung wants to do.....http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-temporary-fix-note-7-problem-ota-update-limit-charge-60-716163/
I was not sure how to post this or if it was mention before but I wish Verizon would get in touch with me to tell me what I am to do with this phone
Return your phone is the answer. The reason why Samsung is doing this update is because some people refuse to turn in their phones. They are attempting to reduce the chances of something happening for those people so they can't be held liable for any mishap by law. It isn't their fault if people refuse to recall the device.
kathy65793 wrote:Here a link about the latest thing Samsung wants to do.....http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-temporary-fix-note-7-problem-ota-update-limit-charge-60-716163/
kathy65793 wrote:
Actually, what Samsung REALLY wants you to do is to return your device. This "stop-gap fix" is for people who for whatever reason feel like STILL using an unsafe after all the reports of these devices possibly exploding. I know I certainly would not still be in possession of a Note 7 had I purchased one.
rcschnoor wrote: I know I certainly would not still be in possession of a Note 7 had I purchased one.
rcschnoor wrote:
I know I certainly would not still be in possession of a Note 7 had I purchased one.
That's easy to say, I've been trying to return my phone multiple times. I've been turned away by corporate store managers and reps. "It's nothing to worry about" "Contact Samsung". I finally tried another corporate store today and we were finally able to exchange both of our phones temporarily for the Edge.
Or maybe it's because Verizon isn't taking the recall seriously. I've been to my local Verizon twice since the recall (once the day after, and again 2 days ago) and discussed options with them at length. Both times they assured me that I should hang on to the phone until the replacements are in, that the chance of an issue is so small that it's not worth the hassle of switching twice, that I have nothing to worry about. So what am I supposed to do? How do I force them to swap the phone?
snugglesmacks2 wrote:Or maybe it's because Verizon isn't taking the recall seriously. I've been to my local Verizon twice since the recall (once the day after, and again 2 days ago) and discussed options with them at length. Both times they assured me that I should hang on to the phone until the replacements are in, that the chance of an issue is so small that it's not worth the hassle of switching twice, that I have nothing to worry about. So what am I supposed to do? How do I force them to swap the phone?
snugglesmacks2 wrote:
Everyone keeps talking about "swapping" or "exchanging" the device. You do not need to "swap" or "exchange" the device to "return" it. However, if you feel you must hold on to that potentially life threatening device, go ahead.
I'm sorry,but my Note 7 working perfectly. I charge it using Samsung Wireless Pad and my phone never even been warm. Why should I change it to something that I can originally purchase months ago(i.e. 7 Edge)? The only question I have to Verizon is if I keep my Note 7 after October 1st (replacement phone is not available) will I be paying restocking fee? It should be the case since it is not my fault that they can't provide replacement.
The bigger question that I have not seen anyone ask is why would Verizon charge a restocking fee? What exactly are they restocking? They can't resell the phone!
I also still have my original Note 7. I have pre-registered at Best Buy for the replacement Note 7 when they can give it to me (waiting on the CPSC). The "stop-gap fix" update sounds good if you look at the positive side, it would prevent the battery from fully charging. But I don't think they thought about the negative side. If the battery is only going to charge up to 60%, this means that you will be putting it on the charger more often and this might heat up the battery even more.
Swapping is listed as an option, but it is being actively discouraged by Verizon employees. Also many people are getting the same response from attempts to return the item. The restocking fee is not being waived, and they're being advised that this is no big deal. I guess we could all walk in and make a scene until Verizon cooperates, but we shouldn't have to. They should simply be following their own policy without complaint, without making it more difficult on the customer. Period.
snugglesmacks2 wrote:Swapping is listed as an option, but it is being actively discouraged by Verizon employees. Also many people are getting the same response from attempts to return the item. The restocking fee is not being waived, and they're being advised that this is no big deal.
Swapping is listed as an option, but it is being actively discouraged by Verizon employees. Also many people are getting the same response from attempts to return the item. The restocking fee is not being waived, and they're being advised that this is no big deal.
In that case, I would simply bring up the Verizon webpage which states there WON'T be a restocking fee, shove it in their face and demand a refund. IF you can find a Verizon website which states they will give a loaner, I would do the same with that. Of course, this would only be valid at a Verizon Corporate Store as Verizon Premium Retailers do not necessarily follow the same rules as Verizon Corporate Stores.
Of course, stories posted by news outlets and blogs which may claim Verizon will do such and such does not equate to a Verizon policy. It would have to be an official Verizon statement on verizonwireless.com, such as a news release.
I agree. It is a lot cheaper to buy a cheap $100.00 smart phone and pay a restocking fee later on than it would be to pay medical bills or buy a new car or replace any other items that get damaged by a phone that catches on fire. After all a six year old was injured when he/she was playing with it and it wasn't even on the charger. For those who are told to hold on to it you need to tell the sales people no. And if they still refuse to take it back then call Samsung or Consumer Safety. They will take care of the problem for you. After all you can always buy the phone again later on when they are released. Peoples lives are far more important than a phone.
CHRSWI27 wrote:After all a six year old was injured when he/she was playing with it and it wasn't even on the charger.
CHRSWI27 wrote:
After all a six year old was injured when he/she was playing with it and it wasn't even on the charger.
However that was mis-reported by news outlets. That was a Galaxy Core, not a Note 7.
Samsung phone explodes in New York, injures 6-year-old boy [Updated] | Android Central
Oh I see, but it's pretty sad. I hope that he is ok. I didn't see the full story. I only found out from one of the posts from the community chat.
Go to bestbuys website and look up battery recalls.
Any one of those could have had the same effect with any brand and any company. Samsung being one of the bigger companies gets scrutinized more than the others. Samsung is taking safe than sorry approach and didn't have to go through great lengths they did. If you look at those recalls they had the same ordeal yet did you here any press about? Just a few recent ones I will post from just this year! This doesn't include all for the past 5 years and you'd be surprise what you don't hear about.
http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Recalls/2016/HP-Recalls-Batteries-for-HP-and-Compaq-Notebook-Computers/
Toshiba Recalls Laptop Computer Battery Packs Due to Burn and Fire Hazards | CPSC.gov
Sony Recalls VAIO Laptop Computer Battery Packs Due to Burn and Fire Hazards | CPSC.gov
Panasonic Recalls Lithium-ion Laptop Battery Packs Due to Fire Hazard | CPSC.gov
late last year
PNY Recalls Portable Lithium Polymer Battery Packs Due to Fire Hazard | CPSC.gov
CHRSWI27 wrote:Oh I see, but it's pretty sad. I hope that he is ok. I didn't see the full story. I only found out from one of the posts from the community chat.
Please show new where Verizon announced publically that we are being prompted to "Return" phones.
Every thing I have read so far is urging to "exchange".
You ask an easy one....there is only post under 'Featured Content' by Verizon moderator. You will find what you seek there. Alternatively, you may look here:
Samsung Galaxy Note7 | Verizon Wireless
Never hurts to be clear.
From the website listing the Note 7 in their phone offerings:
"On September 2, 2016, Samsung announced a voluntary recall of the Galaxy Note7 due to an issue with the device's battery. Because customer safety is our top priority, Verizon immediately stopped selling the Galaxy Note7. Through September 30, 2016, we are waiving the restocking fee for any customer who purchased a Galaxy Note7 and wishes to "return" or exchange it.
On Sept. 9, 2016, the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) issued a statement (see below for link to full statement) "urging all consumers who own a Samsung Galaxy Note7 to power them down and stop charging or using the device." As soon as the CPSC determines whether a replacement Galaxy Note7 is an acceptable remedy to provide to consumers and Samsung provides us with sufficient inventory to satisfy all prior Galaxy Note7 purchases, we will notify customers."
That statement on Verizon's website states you can "RETURN" or "EXCHANGE" the device "WITH NO RESTOCKING FEES". Seems pretty clear to me.
"On Sept. 9, 2016, the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) issued a statement"urging all consumers who own a Samsung Galaxy Note7 to power them down and stop charging or using the device." As soon as the CPSC determines whether a replacement Galaxy Note7 is an acceptable remedy to provide to consumers and Samsung provides us with sufficient inventory to satisfy all prior Galaxy Note7 purchases, we will notify customers."
So if I read this correctly, this formal announcement on Verizon's website, does not urge me to "Return" the device, other than telling me to power it down and discontinue use, it's telling me to hold onto the device until replacement Note 7s are available?
So I ask again, two users in this thread have stated we were instructed to "Return" or Turn in the devices, and implied people were being stubborn in not turning in their recalled device..... when in reality that hasn't been communicated.
Clear to your own imagination perhaps.
Your interpretation of that is not the same as mine and many others.
The return or exchange is an option being offered for those who didn't want to wait for an actual replacement Note for Note exchange.
No where in that statement does it say you are being prompted to turn in the device.
and what if we do power down our note 7 is Verizon still going to charge us
for the use ( or lack ) of the phone? and I agree there could not be a restock fee on this phone.
Kathy, that's a different question/topic.
Yes you are still responsible for your financed device payment. if you are on Edge payments, and power it down... I'm still paying my monthly fee and I have switched to a backup device.
Not trying to say you shouldn't speak up, but that's not what is being discussed I'm this thread.
I have seen several posts eluding that we are being instructed ro return the device... Verizon has not made that formal request... Only presentation of other options.
I'm sorry I did not mean my device payment I meant my line access fee
If your not going to use that line at all while waiting for your replacement... I certainly feel that's worth a call to customer service to ask the question. I honestly don't know the answer, but it's a great question.
In fact Verizon happily are activating Note 7s (ported 2 Verizon branded Note 7s back from AT&T this morning). They are also actively selling Note 7 accessories on the VZW website. I was told by a VZW rep (helping us to bring video calling and wifi calling features back to our Notes this afternoon) that they expect the replacements to be available by the 19th (next Monday). I wonder is that the day that the CPSC gets to look at and approve (or not) the replacement Note 7s. I am careful to only use Samsung wired and wireless chargers. Our phones are cooler than most other phablets that I have had (Note 3, Nexus 6P which I still use). I don't charge it overnight though (no need).
Your device is working perfectly, until it isn't. The risk of damage appears to be small, but why risk it at all? I guarantee you everyone who has had an issue with the phone catching fire had their device "working perfectly" too.
I ask Jason_Nipp - Has your request for a link to Verizon's Public announcement regards "Return", "Exchange" been answered by more than one respondent in this thread?
I have not asked about exchange in this thread, I have asked where I am being told in an official capacity, that I am being told I need to return my device if I do not need a loaner device due to having a back up to use. Two people have responded several times, and could not provide such official request.
At this time, Verizon's website provides a return to stock or exchange path for those that can not wait for an official replacement.
So no, my question has not been answered.
There are several issues at hand.
1: it's a voluntary recall, even verizon employees are keeping their personal note 7s. If it was mandatory, VZ could shut off service through the sim.
2: There is no official stance from verizon other than giving your money back. The "double tradein" isn't on their website anywhere other than the forums and the stores won't put it in writing with the fine print spelled out. I.e. what if you personally decide to wait 6 months or the Note 7 is delayed xxx time or the cspc decides to promote iPhone 7 and forever ban the note 7, not to mention word of mouth isn't reliable and is left as an open ended contract. As stated, the "double trade in" is only valid for the note 7, meaning you can't choose another device if the Note 7 is never restocked (even if its only VZ that refuses to sell them) ...
3: it's an annoyance to install software over and over and over on all these "loaner" devices when the option is there to just wait till the fixed note 7s are shelved and only make a single transfer.
4: say VZ doesn t restock the note 7, it's then my choice what to do rather than being stuck in a 2 year agreement with loaner device x.
There is no official stance from verizon other than giving your money back.
What else can they do? There are no replacements available at the moment!
As stated, the "double trade in" is only valid for the note 7, meaning you can't choose another device if the Note 7 is never restocked (even if its only VZ that refuses to sell them) ...
Correct, as it is the Note 7 that is involved with the issue. What you can do is go in to a store, pick a new device that you want, and then exchange it for the Note 7 when available. Call customer service, they will tell you this. I have had several tell me this was instructed to them via corporate email. The Note 7 will be available again, it is still listed on their website, and it is an incredibly popular device (even with the bad batch of batteries) Verizon will absolutely re-stock it, I would be willing to bet money that they will be re-stocking them as soon as they are available from Samsung and the CPSC has given the green light.
As stated, I want the note. I don't want a device i will be stuck with in case Y happens.
I've dealt with verbal contracts before and will not do it again.
If I return my note 7, it will be for nothing but a full refund.
So ... what are my options? I wait and see what Verizon's move is. If I don't like it, I go to another carrier.
This is why people aren't rushing to turn in their note 7s.
Fair enough.
That said I do urge you to use a different device in the meantime. The people who say their device is okay because it "doesn't get hot while charging" really don't know what they are saying.
First off, "hot" is not a quantitative term. What one person thinks is "hot" may not be what another thinks is "hot". Second, the issue from what Samsung has stated is between the cathode and anode in the cell. They are coming in contact with one another (which is not something that should happen!) and thus with the rise in temperature, start a fire. If this is indeed the issue, then I guarantee you the phone does not have to be charging for it to happen.
I am not a Chemist with an expertise in Electrochemistry, but I am a Chemical Engineer and have a much more than just basic understanding about what is going on here. It is not good, and it is not safe, and there is no reason to risk it. So if you are going to hold on to the Note 7, keep yourself safe and power it off, keep it unplugged, and use something else in the mean time.
The problem I have is my other phone does not work. I have tried to get help from Verizon and Samsung since around May when they updated the s 5. That is why I thought since my contract was up I would take advantage of the new promo they had. Unfortunately the nearest store to me is over 80 miles away so I had to do this deal over the phone ( land line ) and have tried to call the guy
that I dealt with but have not heard from him as of yet. As far as this whole mess with the recall it's as confusing as a contract with Verizon. The fact is if it is the battery and they have a short or what ever or like you said.......
( First off, "hot" is not a quantitative term. What one person thinks is "hot" may not be what another thinks is "hot". Second, the issue from what Samsung has stated is between the cathode and anode in the cell. They are coming in contact with one another (which is not something that should happen!) and thus with the rise in temperature, start a fire. If this is indeed the issue, then I guarantee you the phone does not have to be charging for it to happen.)
then why would they want you to charge only 60%. None of this makes any sense. I for one just hope they get this solved and soon.
kathy65793 wrote:( First off, "hot" is not a quantitative term. What one person thinks is "hot" may not be what another thinks is "hot". Second, the issue from what Samsung has stated is between the cathode and anode in the cell. They are coming in contact with one another (which is not something that should happen!) and thus with the rise in temperature, start a fire. If this is indeed the issue, then I guarantee you the phone does not have to be charging for it to happen.) then why would they want you to charge only 60%.
then why would they want you to charge only 60%.
Because for whatever reason, people have chosen to keep their devices instead of returning them with SOME even continuing to use them despite warnings not to do so. With that in mind, Samsung has come up with a way to MINIMIZE the possibility of an incident. Obviously they cannot eliminate the possibility or else they would not have issued a recall, but for those who refuse to return the device and more so for those that CONTINUE TO USE THE DEVICE they have issued this stop gap solution.
It makes perfect sense. Without getting too scientific I will give you a general idea of what's happening.
Every battery has something called an anode and a cathode, these are known as electrodes within a battery cell. One is positively charged, while the other is negatively charged. Now, in a battery for a cell phone, there is quite a bit of movement, from the fact that you take the device with you throughout the day, set it down, pick it up, etc...
Now the electrodes are separated by a material and in this instance, the material for whatever reason, is not doing it's job and keeping them separate. Now the electrodes are not only separate but they are in a material called an electrolyte, this encourages electron transfer. When the two electrodes touch, essentially all the energy between the two can go in to the electrolyte. When this occurs, a reaction happens, gas is formed, and it accumulates, this reaction is exothermic as well, meaning it is releasing heat while it's occurring. So it starts a cycle and at that point, it goes downhill quickly.
Now, Samsung is imposing this charging restriction for two reasons. The first would be to prompt people to return it, as they won't get full use of their device if they can't charge it fully. Second, by restricting the energy stored in battery itself, perhaps this is enough (not sure about this) to prevent that battery from heating up, and possibly degrading the material that keeps the electrodes separate. I'm not entirely sure what the defect in the separator material is. News outlets seem to be posting that this 60% restriction will stop the batteries from exploding, I don't believe that for even a moment, there is still energy transfer occurring while it is charging, and while the phone is being used. The batteries, like most things are not 100% efficient, which means some of that electrical power is lost as heat. So even with the 60% restriction, charging it will still cause the battery to heat up, just as using it will.
Perhaps I was a little too scientific on it, but hopefully it makes a little more sense now. The 60% charging restriction is not a fix, it's a preventative measure, and I don't think (I could be wrong) it will stop a defective cell from burning, perhaps prevent it for a time, but most certainly not indefinitely.
Somewhat true, but partially missed. Li ion batteries actually swell up when charging. I believe it's around 5% from discharged to fully charged. All li ion batteries have room for this expansion inside tha battery casing. With advancing and the trend to reduce size, in some cases, the casing itself is removed. I'll explain further shortly.
The casing is designed for handling, protecting, and allowing the expansion to go unhindered. (Picture a container holding playdough) In most batteries the casing has internal circuit designed to shut off if there is a malfunction detected, usually heat that would otherwise cause the battery to become too dangerous.
Removing the casing allows for a smaller package, but it's usually flexible and not easy to safely handle.(ie remove the playdough from the hard container and put it in a zip lock bag). This is why some phone batteries are not removable, the phone itself has basically become the hard casing.
If you want to see how dangerous the "playdough" is, YouTube li ion battery explosion. You can see how hard cases protect better than soft packaging.
There is a 2 part situation with this
1: There is no hard casing to protect the actual device as much from thermal overrun
2: the swelling must be compensated for inside the phone, not just "fit".
Now the 60% charge limit ... remember the swelling? From what i remember the most swelling occurs at initial charge and final topping off. That being said, reducing the maximum by 40% may reduce tha battery swell by 50-60%, keeping it safer from whatever defect the full battery is having problems with.
As stated above, it could be a defect where the swelling is pushing the electrodes together making contact inside the battery plates caused by a slight flaw in the manufacturing to oversight on spacing around the battery.
If it was the latter, all the phones would be "exploding". Likely it's a machining problem considering samsung seems to know which particular batteries are at fault.
Perhaps we should have a thread "Latest from Verizon."
Oh, wait, there wouldn't be anything to post, would there?
About the most we've heard on this list is a noncommittal (Verizonal) shrug. I'm pretty sure that Verizon will let us know when phones are available, but I've no idea what the rules will be; a) for those who have kept their Note 7's, b) for those who turned them in for refunds, c) for those who exchanged for another phone. And will it be first come first served, or a couple of weeks of current and previous owners first, then for sale to the rest of the public?
The information I've been reading here and online (for all carriers) has mostly been from store staff. Those are, to my experience, really nice folks. And most seem really device competent. But sages of the Corporate Will they are not.
If, as Samsung claims, phones will be available in stores no later than September 21st, they should be showing up right now. This weekend. But still, no direction from Verizon.
Strategically, it's probably not a bad move. Create a debris field then pick your way through it. Very defensive and probably least expensive. Memories are short.
I have looked all over from Verizon to Samsung and everything in between to find out what is true or false
with the note 7 the only thing I found was from XDA this is what they had......
• Samsung will block your devices from 30th September - (Unconfirmed)• Samsung will force an OTA through carriers limiting your Note 7 to 60% charge -(Unconfirmed)• Samsung is issuing refurbished devices - (False)• Samsung have issued handsets only as a replacement without a box indicating a refurbished unit - (False)• Samsung is indicating refurbished Note 7 devices (refurbished being recalled stock that is overhauled and reissued as the '2nd batch') via an 'RF' designation in front of the serial number - (False)• Samsung have a black/blue Square on the replacement device boxes - (True)• Samsung will have a blue 'S' on the boxes of new batch Note 7 devices -(Unconfirmed)• Samsung will show a green battery icon via firmware on the new Note 7 batch -(True)
****What has been confirmed?****:
• The new devices have a black/blue square on the box• Currently affected devices (at least in South Korea) will receive an OTA update to limit the charge capacity to 60% (Samsung have run newspaper ads) • The serial number can start with 'RF', however, it is not indicative of a refurbished unit, Some of those who ordered directly from Samsung and received the very first units from the original batch had 'RF' beginning serial numbers. It doesn't indicate a refurbished device.• Replacement devices so far do not have a green battery icon, same old icon. A forthcoming firmware update due in 'late September' will differentiate devices in the mentioned manner. Adding not only a green icon but also a 'Battery Status' icon to the power menu. Currently no news on how devices already replaced will receive the upgrade exists at this time, although many presume an OTA update will be triggered on safe devices. Source: Samsung Mobile Singapore.• Replacement batteries, some are still SDI, shown via the "batt_type" identification file on the new devices.• Those who have reported in to XDA have all said that replacements were received in sealed boxes, a new device.
Hope this helps
60% charge is confirmed. They've already done it once, and their publicist said they will do it again. As far as blocking goes. Carriers can as they have the IMEI's and if the Feds wants this carriers will do this.
Tidbits could you link a source where you read they are going to send an update for the Note 7's battery charging capacity?
I'm not saying it's wrong, I just haven't read anything mentioning that for the second version of the Note 7 and would like to confirm it for sure. My wife is one of the holdouts for the Note 7 and maybe this will be just the push she needs to get another phone :smileyhappy:
This isn'the a current update. There is an indication in that link that new phones with "safe" batteries would be available after September 19th...that was the date after the first recall. The second safe versions hit stores on September 21st.
The 7s are being disabled on the accounts..they aren't going to function for use as a phone even if they could function as a kind of palm size "computer."
I heard people were having their services disabled on their lines with a Note 7. This hasn't happened with my wife's line yet. Although I kind of wish it would, so she would get rid of it.
Xyvis wrote:I heard people were having their services disabled on their lines with a Note 7. This hasn't happened with my wife's line yet. Although I kind of wish it would, so she would get rid of it.
Xyvis wrote:
Why in the world hasn't she done so yet?
She's an artist and loves the S Pen capabilities and no other phone offers it. She said she will only give it up "when she absolutely has to".
That said, as a chemical engineer, I have tried to explain the potential risk as well as shown her some videos of a lithium battery exploding. She doesn't care and thinks because she has a replacement model with the green battery indicator it's super unlikely for it to happen (and technically she is right).
So that's where I am at. I'm not going to take it from her, but I do keep showing her new phones when they come out, telling her she can have any other phone she wants.
Battery charging limit on unsafe Galaxy Note 7 units can be increased to 80% - SamMobile
They've done it once, and are capable of doing it again.
Galaxy Note 7 battery life will be limited to 60% via software update | BGR
This one has the press release. So don't thing it will not happen because it has and it can happen again.
Looks like those links are for Europe. I'm aware they did it for the initial Note 7 models, but still seems they aren't currently planning on doing it on the revised Note 7s.
And Jd1010 I'm very well aware of it, and trust me I am working on getting her to another phone, just have not been successful yet (she can be very stubborn). I'll probably end up bribing her (lol).
I feel your pain my wife is the same way but I really think that Samsung just jumped the gun this time around.
Xyvis wrote:Looks like those links are for Europe. I'm aware they did it for the initial Note 7 models, but still seems they aren't currently planning on doing it on the revised Note 7s. And Jd1010 I'm very well aware of it, and trust me I am working on getting her to another phone, just have not been successful yet (she can be very stubborn). I'll probably end up bribing her (lol).
And Jd1010 I'm very well aware of it, and trust me I am working on getting her to another phone, just have not been successful yet (she can be very stubborn). I'll probably end up bribing her (lol).
I am making it aware that they've done it. It seems they are not, but they are. I can't find the press release. They've already abandoned the device that includes major security updates, and OS upgrades.
kathy65793 speak first hand I know of a person who had a replacement and it went up in smoke. Everyone keeps saying she trying to get 15 minutes of fame but if you ever met the woman you'd see she isn't even like that, and Samsung left her hanging. Bare in mind she's in her 60's, and lives roughly 10 minutes from me. This is was the reason why Samsung reminded me even though I have to buy and use their products for work due to their popularity one of the reasons why I disliked them since the Behold II.
Does this link help? Important information for Note7 owners
Even better, a news release from Samsung US. Galaxy Note7 Update - Samsung Newsroom
I honestly don't think it's that dangerous. These aren't lithium battery explosions, these are cells overheating and the phone catching fire, not a pierced lithium cell leaking out and the lithium reacting and shooting everywhere.
That said, I do not feel that my life is at risk with it in our house. I'm sure many people disagree and think I'm foolish for this, perhaps I am, but there have been no reported deaths, and other than the fake reports where cars burned down and such, overall damage has been minimal to property (what I would consider minimal).
So, I'm going to keep showing my wife new phones to consider every time I see one I think she may be interested in, and at some point she will get a new one (hopefully soon).
I would definitely put my foot down. Children or not it's dangerous.
