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801.11n routers

Hi all, newcomer here.

I'm interested in FIOS, but my current home network is 801.11n (or is that 802.11n? I'm suddenly confused) based.

From everything I can see FIOS routers are only b/g protocols, which are substantially slower. Since I have quite a bit of wireless networking (and potential interference on the 2.4Ghz band) this seems to be a bit of a problem.

Since I have wireless mice/keyboards on two of my 3 computers, wireless speakers on my one TV, I'm routing files from a media server and have Windows Home server and a wireless printer I really, really would like the bulk of my Internet to be in the 5.4Ghz band.

I'd appreciate any observations you guys might have.

Thanks.

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Knightro2

You don't have to use the wireless on the Verizon provided router. You can connect your own router to their router and use the wireless. You HAVE to use their router as the primary router due to how the DVRs and STBs communicate.

A forum member, BrianMcD, gave me this info for doing this with my Linksys as a test for a different issue I had.

"Assuming that your Westell is configured with an internal address of 192.168.1.1, configure the Linksys so that it has an Local Address of 192.168.1.2. You will also want to disable the DHCP Server on the Linksys and change it from Gateway Mode to Router Mode."

CStenfors

Ok, that makes sense, however, I'm currently with Time-Warner Cable (roadRunner) and they won't support routers other than the ones they provide. I can see why, since the firmware allows them more extensive diagnostics than the out-of-the-box routers, but it is a royal PITA. Every time I have a problem (and there was a time that I had lots) I had to disconnect my router and do a direct-connect to their modem.

Wo will Verizon troubleshoot connection problems behind a non-Verizon router?

Knightro2

That is beyond my knowledge. Hopefully someone will chime in if they know.

spacedebris

No, Verizon will not support anything other than the router they supply. Most companies dont.

However, connecting another router to the verizon router for internal networking is not all that difficult. Mostly you just have to make sure that the routers are on different networks.

What kind of n router do you have? Linksys, D-link, Netgear? Do you know its IP?

BrianMcD

You can avoid a Double NAT Situation and have both routers on the same network. Just configure the Verizon Router as 192.168.1.1 and your other router as 192.168.1.2 and do a Lan Port 1 to Lan Port 1 connection.

Arek

I have FIOS for years now and I never used Verizon provided routers because they needed to be reset few times a day. I used netgears, Linksys routers directly connected to Verizon's network cable. Currently I.m using D-link Extreme N Dual Band Gigabit DIR-825 router. Have no problems with VOD and STB boxes (I have 3). D-link routers work strait out of the box because they match Verizon router setting the IP Address range and IP Subnet mask. With Netgear routers you have to reconfigure the settings.

nmchugh5657

Don't switch. I say that due to service. Do they support other routers? Well, they don't even support their own! I had Comcast. Could use wireless in my backyard. While sitting within 4 feet of therouter, I can't go wireless with Actiontec without consistent "link broen", page can't be found messages. They installed last Monday. Nothing but torture trying to get it working right and working with Techs. Finally got them to agree to send an installer back on Saturday. He walked in and said "I'm no computer expert"...and he didn't have another router. Tried to blame the problem on my pc. Verizon wireless, and more importantly, their service is trash!

Donald_Linbin

why don't you just use your own router if you are unhappy with the quality of signal of the actiontech? I don't know a company that includes an amazing router with their service, and I have never gone with what they provide, although I do still use my dlink and nim from when I was installed.

vallibus

Arek,

Are you saying switching from the Actiontech to a D-Link DIR-825 is basically "plug and play?" Did you have to call Verizon to release your old router? Was there anything else of a technical nature you had to do to make the switch? Thanks for any feedback.

Bruce

joe_m

I am running 802.11n wireless using a Trendnet router. I turned off wireless on the Verizon supplied router, turned off DHCP on the Trendnet and switched the Trendnet from "router mode" to "bridge mode". I also set up a static IP address for the Trendnet and plugged it into one of the ethernet ports on the Verizon router. Now the Trendnet acts as a wireless access point and the Verizon device does all the routing chores. Works great for me. Joe m

Technoman40

Arek wrote:

How is VOD working correctly since it needs the coax connection from the ActionTek router to be able to function? Additionally, can you use the internet and wireless to setup recordings if you have the DVR? I have read quite a bit of information that indicates you would not be able to. Also, I was not able to do it with my Verizon supplied ActionTek until they released my MAC address so it would auto reassign.

I would love to use the D-LINK Wireless "N" router with gigabit lan ports, but I want it to be without any loss to my FIOS T.V. service or degrading the internet speed.

My wireless connection is pretty good and connects at "G" speed almost constant, but "G" does not give good enough throughput for a 20 meg connection. All speed tests do not even come close with the ActionTek router on wireless. However if I hardwire, I get constant tests at FULL 20meg down and 5meg up.

I keep seeing a link for how to setup your own router, but the link seems dead (posted below)

http://www.verizonfioswiki.com/index.php/Using_Your_Own_Router

Does someone have the information that was posted at this link?

dslr595148

I keep seeing a link for how to setup your own router, but the link seems dead (posted below)
http://www.verizonfioswiki.com/index.php/Using_Your_Own_Router
Does someone have the information that was posted at this link?

Yes.

http://www.dslreports.com/faq/16077

stnickt

Brian,

Can you explain a "Lan Port 1 to Lan Port 1" connection and how to set that up?

i currently have a Verizon Router with a static NAT going to a linksys wireless N router.

I have the rest of my network (desktop switch, server, ps3, network storage, wireless N laptops) on the linksys router.

currently i have set up:

RDP to server (working)

ftp to server (working)

http to server (NOT working) - when i access the http from outside the network (my home) it automatically goes into the verizon router remote management on port 80 (and 8080). I would like to keep remote management on 8080, but have port 80 directed to my server (this i cannot accomplish)

suggestions?

Thanks

dslr595148

currently i have set up:
RDP to server (working)
ftp to server (working)
http to server (NOT working) - when i access the http from outside the network (my home) it automatically goes into the verizon router remote management on port 80 (and 8080). I would like to keep remote management on 8080, but have port 80 directed to my server (this i cannot accomplish)
suggestions?
Thanks

#1 When behind this router, go to http://network-tools.com/

#2 It will have your public IP, since you connected to that site.

#3 Select HTTP Headers.

#4 Press Go.

#5 Do you see any headers back?

If so...

b) Are they the headers from the router?

b) Or they the headers from the web server that you are running?

#6 If headers from the router, what router?

Hubrisnxs

"Wo will Verizon troubleshoot connection problems behind a non-Verizon router?"

No they won't

viafax999

@stnickt wrote:
http to server (NOT working) - when i access the http from outside the network (my home) it automatically goes into the verizon router remote management on port 80 (and 8080). I would like to keep remote management on 8080, but have port 80 directed to my server (this i cannot accomplish)
That's a little scary!! It sounds like you are allowing incoming WAN access to web management for remote admin - You should turn that off or at least change the default password and userid.
Your'e actually better to not run static NAT as the double NAT provided by your verizon router and your own router also gives you another layer of security.
With static nat turned off all you have to do is to access port forwarding and add a new entry either for http protocol, or user defined protocol using port 80, and set the destination to be the ip address of the web server in your network. If you still have the second router inside the Verizon router then set it to a static ip on the verizon routers network e.g 192.168.1.254, then set the port forwarding above to forward port 80 to 192.168.1.254. On your own router add a port forwarding rule for port 80 to go to your web server. personally I would set the web server to use a non standard port as that to cuts down a lot on garbage probing
Typically you would then use something like DYNDNS to set up the forwarding via them to your web server name:your port number.
If you really want to remotely manage you verizon router you would be better off to add port forwarding for user defined protocol, call it RDP, and use port 3389. Set the destination to be a machine inside your network that is turned on, maybe the web server?
Then run MSTSC on your remote machine and enter the ip address of the verizon router - this will give you a Remote Desktop on the machine inside your network, remember to turn on Allow Remote Access and set which users are allowed to access remotely. You can run MSTSC /Console if you want to access the console of the machine and you can also use a non standard port for access - google RDP and non standard port.
Even more security can be provided by doing the above and also incorporating a network enabled APC masterSwitch Plus into your internal network that would allow you to remotely power on and off the machine that you would use for remote access.

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