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G1100 Rant

razeldazel2

I am really frustrated with Verizon and the G1100 router.

On one hand you have to pay for it, on the other hand you don't really have an alternative without losing out.

I ihave been looking into replacing it or getting around for some time now.

Why?

1. WiFi is not great, sub par really. Worse then the old Mi424 and doesn't come close to even my old and out dated Netgear WNDR 3700. This goes for all modes, including AC.

2. MOcA? Why? I understand it makes it easier for the installer but doing something right this one time would keep many customers happy for a lot longer. Coax introduces latencies to an ethernet network. Up to 10x and greater than an ethernet connection would. It also makes virtually impossible for anybody to use their personally owned router as coax routers are a rare commodity and even more so coax router which will actually work on FIOS.

3. Which brings me here. There is no information or advertisement that would tell you that you can actually use ethernet. No installer will volunteer that information. You have to specifically ask for it.

4. Great so your ONT has ethernet and now you think all your problems are resolved, you are ready to hook up your old own router and enjoy. Not so fast, if you also signed up for FIOS TV and disconnect your FIOS router you will lose your on demand content and TV guide. I have been reading through the handful of useful threads about bridging the G1100 but the all point to the G1100 being the primary router while your router will be secondary. Well the point for me was to replace the G1100 altogeher and I have seen many other getting frustrated configuring all the services to pass though to make that second router work as intended. Many services will not play nice and some will not pass though period. It all leads to configuration elements that are not available to the customer and apparently not to customer service either.

5. I was not able to find out exactly what the G1100 router does for FIOS TV to work, nor if it could be replicated on any other router.

6. The G1100 has 2x USB ports, neither of them is enabled, nor is there a setting that would allow you to enable them. I paid full price for this router. Why do I not get full access to all of the featuers available to my router?

7. One of the big reasons to get this router upgrade from the MI424WR for me was all the hype I have heard before the release of the router about Z-Wave compatability and possibly even Zigbee but again, there is nothing in the configuration that would even suggest this. Another important feature Verizon disbaled for no good reason.

8. Why is there no support for SFP yet? i could run fiber straight to me switch, router, firewall.

9. Please introduce a true bridge mode for the G1100. I don't why the G1100 could not manage FIOS TV and FIOS Internet in bridge mode. FIOS TV should be isolated anyway either via VLAN or subnet seperation.

10. Open up the configuration for some of the firewall features of the G1100 and parental controls could use an overhaul as well.

Comments

CRobGauth

My guess is that they use MOCA for people with TV to make it easier.

Otherwise, there would need to be a run from ONT to router via ethernet and then would still need to run coax from router to a splitter. For most (I would guess 98%+) that would be more complicated.

So they offer their standard solution.

Not sure what you mean about coax to ethernet delays.

Traffic has to be routed through router from wan to lan.

Shouldn't be any delays based on the wan cabling. As long as it is the prescribed speed to your router, doesn't matter how it gets there.

razeldazel2

from what i understand and know there is one coax going from the ONT to the TV box and one coax going from the ONT to the router. The TV box then connects to the router via WiFi to download the Muedia guide and provide on demand TV. So i don't see what the issue would be to have ethernet running to the router. it really should make no difference to the TV box as it connects via WiFi.

Second, why would a company invest millions into a low latency fiber optic network just to introduce latencies at the consumer. coax inherently introduces latency which is why ethernet replaced it some 20 years ago. even on a short distance like from the ONT to the router the latency over coax can be up to 5ms while on ethernet it would be 1ms in a worst case scenario.

running coax from the ONT to the router could easly be done via ethernet. i was not offered even the option.

gs0b

@razeldazel2 wrote:
from what i understand and know there is one coax going from the ONT to the TV box and one coax going from the ONT to the router. The TV box then connects to the router via WiFi to download the Muedia guide and provide on demand TV. So i don't see what the issue would be to have ethernet running to the router. it really should make no difference to the TV box as it connects via WiFi.

You misunderstand. The set-top-boxes don't use WiFi. They use MoCA for their internet connection. WiFi would really suck for Video-on-Demand and multi-room DVR; it's just too unreliable.

There are additional services the Verizon routers provide for FiOS TV services. Its not just a case of opening up the right ports. I'm not aware of anyone who has successfully gotten FiOS TV services working without a Verizon router in the network. Here's a good FAQ that discusses various FiOS router configurations:

http://www.dslreports.com/faq/16077

MoCA was never replaced by Ethernet. MoCA is a relativly new technology developed specifically for Ethernet type networking over coax. It operates above 1GHz so it can co-exists with cable TV services. It can go backwards through spillters which is why set-top-boxes can talk to the router and each other. MoCA really is the best tool for the multimedia job that a modern home needs. It is quite different than DOCSIS (used by cable modems) and the old baseband Ethernet on coax, which may be why you're confused about it's performance.

As you note, Ethernet from the ONT is available. Verizon uses Ethernet for all installs of 150Mbps and higher, so they aren't hiding it from anyone. They just default to coax for slower speed installs because it's simpler for both the installer and most customers. If you want Ethernet from your ONT you can get it setup with a quick call or chat to Verizon. They will be happy to swtich it for you.

Enjoy.

razeldazel2

Good points and I appreciate the clarification. Coax might be more convenient. I would love to see SFP. Consumer grade fiber is getting cheap enough for some to at least consider.

Is there an explanation as to why the Internet router part can not be seperated from the TV box part? Why is it not possible to have the internet service at least in bridge mode? so i can see my WAN ip on my own router?

viafax999

@razeldazel2 wrote:
running coax from the ONT to the router could easly be done via ethernet. i was not offered even the option.

You can request the option to change the ont provisioning to ethernet, takes about 1/2 hour on phone with fios tech support.

Normally you would do it if you wanted to add your own router/network device as the verizon gateway but you could just have it done then add an ethernet cable from the ont to the vz router, note that you will still need the coax connection to the router to talk to the STBs

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