when I ordered my phones on 9/30 I was given the delivery dates of 11/9 and 11/30. I took them at their word that the s would be the absolute latest date of shipment. I als got trade in credit for one of my old phones where it says I can trade I. My phone up to 30 days after receiving new phone. These things I learned from emails i received on the day I ordered my new phones. There are way too many people complaining about not receiving there phones when they were told the date they would ship. There are also way too many people complaining about not understanding the rules for the trade in on the old phones when it was spelled out plainly In the email I received and they must have also. Had to get that off my chest until then I am impatiently waiting for my iPhone 7 pluses to arrive