I just Read something that Made my Ears Turn Red Kind of like when the Space shuttle is Coming in for a Landing: After you read what i Posted yours Ears Might Do the Same..
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/05/16/verizon-cfo-unlimited-data-plans-going-away-all-users-pushed-onto-shared-data/
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/05/16/verizons-shared-data-plans-should-scare-you-opinion/
Hmmm, this is confusing... If what they're saying is that they will only force us into metered data plans if we upgrade from 3G/LTE to 4G, I'm far less upset.
Does this mean, after the change, that I could get a new phone -- a 4G compatible phone, for example -- and turn off 4G and still keep my unlimited plan, as long as I stuck to 3G/LTE? Granted this is still disappointing, but at least if they let us keep our unlimited 3G plans, it's not outrageous.
Horrible Horrible news If Verizon takes away my grandfathered unlimited data plan, then me my friends and family and thousands of others are going to drop Verizon. Im telling you now! ...Fran Shammo and those responsible for this choice should be fired! Verizon NO NO NO NO NO. I have a 4g phone with unlimited data and if you take it away then your gone. Verizon NO! Bad move you were winning...now you are going to lose. Time to stop the bleeding! You better undo this before your losses kill your earnings. NO NO NO NO NO
No unlimited, no Verizon.
Only reason I stick with it.
I'm up at the end of the year and unless Verizon has some compelling data sharing plans, I'll be seeing what Sprint has to offer. No unlimited, no Verizon.
Verizon doesn't get it. The approach of punishing everyone as opposed to those who drive the need for additional bandwidth is poor business judgement. ANALYZE the usage of those on the unlimited plan, establish some upper limits of data transfer, and charge for use beyond that. I know that will anger some of you but, if you want to use your smart device in a way that drives costs and need for additional bandwidth, you should have to pay for it. Simple as that. Adding charges to those who aren't pushing that envelope will only drive customers away. Couple this announcement with the forced purchase of a land line for DSL and I would tell you that Verizon needs new executive leadership. Alas, their approach isn't far from that of too many companies and consumers - only care about price and cost. For the companies, they lose their customers; for the consumers, they lose good service. Just like the U.S. government, business and the market place have forgotten that compromise is often the right mix of "pay for product."
Everyone needs to go to this link and sign! Let your voice be heard, and tell Verizon what you think of how they want to screw us out of our grandfathered Unlimtited data!
http://www.change.org/petitions/stop-verizon-from-killing-unlimited-data-plans-for-existing-subscribers
Go to the below link and voice your anger about this injustice with Unlimited Data Plans!
sheesh, this is hard to swollow...I TOO as most people on this forum, will be leaving as soon as I can. This stinks.
This was just posted on Android Central...
As we have stated publicly, Verizon Wireless has been evaluating its pricing structure for some time. Customers have told us that they want to share data, similar to how they share minutes today. We are working on plans to provide customers with that option and will introduce new plans later this year.
When the new options are introduced, Unlimited Data will no longer be available to our customers purchasing handsets and signing a new contract. Customers who choose to purchase phones at full retail price and are currently on an unlimited smartphone data plan will be able to keep that plan. The same pricing and policies will apply to all 3G and 4GLTE smartphones.
We will share specific details of the plans well in advance of their introduction so customers will have time to evaluate the plans and make the best decisions for their wireless service. It is our goal and commitment to continue to provide customers with the same high value service they have come to expect from Verizon Wireless.
I have been with Verizon for over 10 years, and have always recommended them because of the service I have always received and the coverage I have, espcially when traveling. If they force me to change my plan, I will not remain a loyal customer, because to me they won't be showing any appreciation for said loyalty. It's sad to me that I would have to change my cell phone provider because they want more money from me, and as a result will be getting no money from me.
ajnevares1 wrote:This was just posted on Android Central...As we have stated publicly, Verizon Wireless has been evaluating its pricing structure for some time. Customers have told us that they want to share data, similar to how they share minutes today. We are working on plans to provide customers with that option and will introduce new plans later this year.When the new options are introduced, Unlimited Data will no longer be available to our customers purchasing handsets and signing a new contract. Customers who choose to purchase phones at full retail price and are currently on an unlimited smartphone data plan will be able to keep that plan. The same pricing and policies will apply to all 3G and 4GLTE smartphones.We will share specific details of the plans well in advance of their introduction so customers will have time to evaluate the plans and make the best decisions for their wireless service. It is our goal and commitment to continue to provide customers with the same high value service they have come to expect from Verizon Wireless.
ajnevares1 wrote:
this is what i'm counting on. i have no problem being out of contract (particularly with all the recent changes) and buying my next device on ebay in order to keep unlimited. if they do this, then i have no problem with the new tiered plans. just give me the option to keep mine, even if i have to buy devices on ebay or at retail.
yup ebay/craigslist sales are about to go up. Verizon once again stabbing their retail employees in the back.
Same here AZSALUKI, its a huge relief hearing this and I hope its valid...I just hope the retail on these phones do not rise since I assume many will take this route and Verizon is looking to make as much money as possible with this new strategy. Come on Rezound...last for the rest of my life!
All these carriers are moving away from unlimited because it is prohibitive from a cost standpoint. They really should just go after the data hogs imo tho...
It will be back. Eventually it will be cheap.
I am seriously considering leaving Verizon after hearing they are going back on their word of grandfathering in their older customers and making everyone go to tiered pricing. Its complete BS!! They are nickel and dime'ing their cusotmers to death and we're not going to take it.
When my data becomes limited, so does my usage of Verizon services. I will drop my current data plan, and go back to a regular cell at the 1st opportunity. Verizon needs to seriously rethink their stance on the data plans.
Even if I could keep my grandfathered status if I payed full price for a new phone like some are saying, it will be just as easy and cheaper to change to sprint. Verizon don't screw your loyal customers.
Is it time to start calling Verizon the Charlie Sheen of Carriers? (Winning? Think NOT!)
So since they are changing the terms of our contract, does that mean it's a breech of contract and nullify it? Does that mean i can leave without paying an early cancellation fee? I have been wanting out for a long time, and if they are changing the terms of the contract and i disagree with it, then i should be able to get out.
Update from ABC News... http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/05/new-verizon-data-plans-coming-likely-to-kill-unlimited-data-for-all/ Either way, Verizon's out to get some more of your hard earned cash... BEWARE!
Melanieshaman wrote:So since they are changing the terms of our contract, does that mean it's a breech of contract and nullify it? Does that mean i can leave without paying an early cancellation fee? I have been wanting out for a long time, and if they are changing the terms of the contract and i disagree with it, then i should be able to get out.
Melanieshaman wrote:
No, the change will occur only when you upgrade with a subsidy (and thus sign a new contract) or when your contract ends. Currently they are saying that if you keep the same phone (or pay full price for a new one) you keep unlimited, but since you don't have a contract in that case, things could easily change.
But, the point is that for the duration of your current contract, things haven't changed, so no breech of contract.
I have been a loyal customer since 2002, and if I lose my unlimited data plan, I will be leaving...
If you have recently Upgraded or your Contract is Up! Now this would be the Time to Renew As they said if you get it Before the new planes go into affect you will still be on the Grandfathered until that contract is Up or if your Willing to Pay for Full Retail you will stay on Unlimited for the Duration you decide to Go with..
My answer to Verizon is below.
Since they can't seem to comprehend that their customers aren't going to keep putting up with their shit:
http://www.uscellular.com/uscellular/cell-phones/showPhones.jsp?type=phones&_requestid=167988
Okay, this is getting to be too much!!! I swear some posts in this thread are being deleted!
Well im suppose to be due for a phone upgrade in a few months guess its gonna not only be a phone upgrade but carrier also I cant stand greedy companies breaking contracts to line their own pockets with our hard earned money eff you verizon!!!!!!
After being on VZW since 2003, I guess I will be moving on. The greed is getting ridiculous, even the source in the report says it is a revenue move.
My contracts run out on 3 of the 4 phone I have in early 2013.
Toodles Poodles
Rider wrote:Okay, this is getting to be too much!!! I swear some posts in this thread are being deleted!
Rider wrote:
rude and/or vulgar posts typically get removed. also, any posts that discuss things that violate the TOS typically get removed.
FYI, if this is implemented, I and I am sure many more will jump ship to another carrier. This was one way for Verizon to keep me as a customer. Not now!!!
My posts did neither!
Your Correct Rider! Wonder Why! were Just Voicing Our Feelings Seems Verizon Already Has..
Does anyone know if this applies to 3G/4G wireless cards?
I would Say it would Fall under this as Well because Verizon want's as i take it anything Wireless to Share in a Pooled Tier Plan.. B33 but For the Time Being I. Hulk Grrrr..
Same here. The day Verizon takes away my unlimited data is the day I take my business elsewhere. So where they will be trying to gain, say, an extra $50, they will be losing $100.
Multiply that by all the customers who currently are "grandfathered" in (or so we all thought) and you are going to lose a lot of money.
Which post? Your activity only shows three posts and all are on here
To make a long story short, if I lose my grandfathered data plan, Verizon will also lose me as a customer. If it's mid-contract, Verizon breached it and not me.
Any users considering changing carriers because of the new data plan you may want to read this article about T-Mobile...
http://www.androidcentral.com/customers-dont-want-shared-data-plans-says-t-mobile
The changes are not isolated to Verizon Wireless only...
Ive been with verizon over 10 years.. got the unlimited data a year ago when i switched to a smart phone. i added someone to my account, with a data plan, and its been a major pain having to watch data to make sure it doesnt go over.. $10 charge per gb over! if verizon eliminates unlimited data i will definatly go with another phone carrier.
For 2 years of big (f)red (f is not for f****** its for Fredy new nick name) service i pay $6015.6 (including $600 for 3 smartphones not including $30 loyalty upgrade fee.I pay for 3 smart-ones - unlimited data.Every time when i need something- like replacement for bad cellphone Fredy say how i can help you and that help usually is 2 hours of fight for my rights and they never help you with anyting - ther excuses are UNLIMITED .For $225 a month from just my house i need MORE not Less.Just compare Verizon Store services in your city with Mcdonalds (part time students work there) Mcdonalds staff are 100% more efficient in solutions .With Verizon staff everything stops after that first sentence (how we can help you) sometimes i think they are clones or LIMITED! I can believe that i spend almost a decade with ( F)redy Probably nice $35000! Next time i will give this money to SPRINT just to feel like Robin Hood!
LMAO at people i been with vzw for this many years. thinking you get a bone ? lmao grow up, Were're not losing unlimited.
+1, other than rhetoric on this site, i haven't heard any adds about losing unlimited data.
I was all set to leave my carrier for Verizon, but their CEO's latest announcements regarding rates and data is making me have serious second thoughts.
My questions to a VZW employee who is probably monitoring this string are when will VZW make the shared data plans available, and will they be available to current single data plan users. I'm not a big data user, so being able to share the data with another line in my family plan is most attractive. Why pay for two data plans if you only need one?
Data share plans are supposed to be making an appearance later this year. A press release can be found on Verizon's website.
If anyone thinks that in "the long run" you are going to save money on a "shared" data plan instead of an unlimited data plan, I have some lakefront property in the desert I would like to sell you. Verizon's revenue will climb with the shared plan eventually I guarantee you to keep the wall street boys happy. They already have it figured out. You can take that to the bank!!
Indian wrote:If anyone thinks that in "the long run" you are going to save money on a "shared" data plan instead of an unlimited data plan, I have some lakefront property in the desert I would like to sell you. Verizon's revenue will climb with the shared plan eventually I guarantee you to keep the wall street boys happy. They already have it figured out. You can take that to the bank!!
Indian wrote:
yup, it's all about corporate greed. Even Shammu was quoted as saying it'd be a money maker. "As they start migrating to 4G they will have to come off of unlimited and go into the data share plan. And that’s beneficial for us for many reason, obviously." It's no longer about the customer but how fat they can make their wallets. Plan is to market market market all the "wonderful" things you can do with LTE and cause the customer to move up in tiers as they use more. Hopefully it backfires on Verizon and everyone stays on the conservative side.
The irony is that LTE infrastructure actually costs less to operate than the older 3G system. I'm sure some of you will argue that they have you recoup the cost of bandwidth usage / infrastructure build-out, but I have absolutely no pity of any phone company in this regard. One of the main selling of deregulation back in the day was that competitiveness and revenue flexibility would enable telcos to build out the next generation data network. We were promised last mile fiber in the 90s. Instead, we're just now getting it and as a general rule, Internet access lags far behind other developed countries in both speed and economy. Sad really, since we *invented* the d@mned thing!
I've already upgraded to unlimited 4G, though really, it's not unlimited. There's the unspoken cap --- hilarious how service providers have redefined "unlimited" to mean something other than "without limits". I'm curious how this will play out when my contract is up, but unless the new payment structure *reduces* my costs, I will drop Verizon so fast their head will spin.
One could view this as an incredibly shrewd move: Maybe Verizon has no intention of changing the plan but is spreading disinformation for ulterior motives. Follow me here - make an announcement that would be sure to tick off users and potentially drive them to a rival who's a bit unstable. Rival tries to plan ahead by building out their infrastructure and incurring debt in the process. At the last minute, Verizon essentially pulls the rug out by retracting the data plan announcement, leaving the rival with debt incurred by building out their systems, but far fewer new users than anticipated to pay for it. Rival winds up in financial difficulty and Verizon just sits back and watches. If rival folds, then Verizon can *really* put the screws to their customers.
Yeah, less Gov't and fewer rules is always a good idea... Right...
Save money? Yes and no.
I currently have 5 lines, 2 of which are smartphones that have NEVER gone over 1GB of data in a month, let alone 2 GB of data which is currently the lowest tier of data plan.
If I wouldn't have to pay $30/month for the other lines to have a smartphone data plan, I would consider upgrading those lines to a smartphone. Having to pay for a separate data plan for those lines, it is not going to happen. When Verizon switches to a shared data plan, I will consider the options available and possibly change those lines to smartphones.
So will I save money? Yes and No. I am making an assumption here that there will be a shared data plan that is lower in cost than the $150 to have 5 $30 smartphone data plans. With a $100(just a guess) shared data plan, YES, I will be saving money(~$50/month). However, I also will not be saving money since I will be paying $40 more per month for data than I currently pay since I have more lines using data than I currently have using data. Finally, Verizon WILL be increasing their revenue from me since I have gone from $60 in data/month to $100 in data/month, a 67% increase in data revenue.
This may or may not be how it works out and I will make a decision when the time comes.
phreon wrote:The irony is that LTE infrastructure actually costs less to operate than the older 3G system.
phreon wrote:
The irony is that LTE infrastructure actually costs less to operate than the older 3G system.
Yes, it may cost less to operate/GB than the older 3G system, but that doesn't mean the operating costs are going to lower.
For example lets say that the cost/GB drops by 75% for a total cost/GB of 25% of what it was on the 3G system. HOWEVER, you have people on these forums saying that they are using 10 times the data with the 4G speeds and that is why they need an unlimited plan. So your cost/GB drops to 25% but your data usage increases 1000% for an increase of operating costs to 250% of what it was with the 3G network. So even if the usage cost of the 4G network is lower, the increased data traffic COULD make the operating cost higher.
Go back and slowly re-read my entire post. I specifically addressed the increased data / bandwidth issue. On top of that, any service provider with the smallest iota of sense has detailed usage metrics defining exactly how many users it can support at a given data rate per X amount of bandwidth from a given Point of Presence. Additionally, though there will be a few heavy users, on the balance, most users won't be pulling down significantly more data in a given month. Since LTE has such high bandwidth (compared to 3g) and most traffic is bursty in nature, contention on the system is *much* lower and the number of people a tower can support at X data rate increases. None of this is a surprise.
Actually my question is... How much is Verizon paying call centers to have agents post nice fluffy things in the forums to pathetically try to do damage control because of their lack of ability to listen to the customers?
Why won't these bonehead executives get it through their thick skulls... well besides the fact that they don't know anything about the businesses they manage. Usage caps are worthless. If your backbone can't handle the through puts because they are uplinked by microwave T1's instead of fibre which a lot are... trying to sell customers a 42Mbps connection when the backbone is 1.5Mbps isn't going to work. Once every smart phone is 4G your going to need at least 100Mbps+ OC3 on every tower to make it not bottle neck during peak times. If you have that kind of pipe who cares what the usage is?
I'm tired of the cellphone companies and the cable companies making all kinds of promises they can't deliver. This is just plain insulting. Okay... maybe your happy with a big fat burst download speeds with a ridiculous latency and unstable performance. I'm not... I want slow. Give me slow and steady with low latency and unlimited usage. Where is that option? I'm willing to pay more if I can have a 1Mbps high priority shaped connection over the twit customers who just wants big numbers on a piece of paper that doesn't equiv to any real world performance. Why am I the ignored customer?
I use my phone to remote into Windows servers and VNC/SSH into Linux servers all the time. My usage is high but my network bandwidth requirements is actually low. Meaning what I do leaves a lot of room for other customers to get through the pipe as well. Even this fad with ISP's beating up Netflix is a load of crap. Monthly usage will be high but it doesn't devour traffic bandwidth at any given time. It can be lighter in traffic than video games and definitely lighter than bit torrents. As far as that goes loading a "pimped out" MySpace page is more aggressive on network traffic. But than all of this 4G LTE is mostly a bunch of crap just like Comcasts "Power Boost" and now Xtrinity or whatever its called. All this marketing of we are going to sell you a OC3 worth of bandwidth and provide it through a coat hanger wire is a bunch of nonsense and its making the networks increase in exponentially in how much socket death occurs during peak times. I miss the old days of internet. While the prices were higher, there wasn't all this deception in what you're getting. This is all just a bunch of marketing scams. Remember the good old days when consumers used to have rights in this country? And marketing fraud was illegal for even mega-corps. A contract was binding to even the largest of companies. Who ever is actually happy with this mega-corps owning our country stripping out consumer rights and just the ability to choose another company should be tarred and feathered. I'm seriously ticked off... I know for a fact AT&T and Verizon both were giving boo-coo tax payer dollars in subsidies and all they have done with this money is use it against the people where they got the money from. I live in a rural area... you haven't provided squat for us and have made it increasing inaccessible. If the money wasn't all wasted on you guys it could have been given to small local internet providers and we may have actually seen a change for the better. Like I might actually have a service available to me besides you guys. Instead you used RURAL subsidy money to buy out smaller competitors and deploy more crap for subscribers in big cities and shrink coverage in rural areas. Should throw all the sleazebag executives of AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, etc in jail. But here we are... Just me and my first amendment right to stand on a soap box and scream into the wind. And that's what i'm going to do, until you guys pool your money together and buy out the constitution and take that away from us as well.
P.S. I apologize for all us rural idiots out there, who make all your food, don't meet up to your one-size-fits-all mega-corp mantra. Hey, maybe you guys can start raising cows on the roof tops of your Manhattan skyscrapers. Show us all how its done like a boss! Until than you guys will have to deal with us country folk passing along our bills in the price tag of your food. We don't want to... its just business though. Remember that when your paying more at the grocery store, is that your paying extra partly because a bunch of jerk mega-corps and screwball politicians are feeding the rural folks through the ringer. Tell yourself than it doesn't matter and all these changes doesn't effect you. Oh in fact you spending more is saving you money!
Wasn't really arguing anyone other than Verizon with the idea that one-size-fits-all concept is nonsense. Or are you saying you read somewhere that I have an option to opt out of 4G and can maintain even with a new phone or mobile wifi 3G speeds with unlimited usage? I'm totally for that. Choke me down to 1.5 Mbps but unlimited usage...I would be perfectly content with that. DL-ing at 200 to 600 KBps would suit me fine.
If this new plan meets your requirements well that is wonderful news...for you. Your requirements are not what every customer's requirements are for CDMA & GSM. The ones cheering these changes are people who are casual users and don't rely on them solely for their internet connection. I have no other option for internet here where I live besides dial-up and the wretched satellite internet. If Clear was to move in this area I would drop this cellular internet junk tech in a heart beat. As of this moment because of Verizon's one-size-fits-all mindset... AS-IS i'm pricing T1's with a 80 mile stretch from NOC to here. :-( I don't have any need for fast burst traffic.. I need high usage and stable.
Again I wouldn't be so PO-ed with this if I never knew that these schwindlers took federal government subsidies to "help provide broadband to rural areas." But have done everything but that with the money that that was for. That was one of the big chunks of money out of the "stimulus" package. Here they haven't done nothing other than they did move a tower closer to the city so that town has better coverage and messed over all the people that connected to the old tower that was out of town. That was actually AT&T not Verizon. But they both got stimulated by the "stimulus" for their support of their legislators. I call it kickbacks and extorting... but big mega-corps and politicians have different rule set than we do.
This is a case where all they have to do is provide a separate plan for those who qualify as rural customers to remain in legit to the subsidies. But they won't even do that... because they don't have to. Just like they don't have to abide by their own contracts that they drew and agreed on with their customers. The rules are for us ... not them.
Wow, I gotta hand it to Verizon; they don't miss a trick. Has anybody considered the following?
After the anouncement of the $30 upgrade fee, I decided not to upgrade even though I was due. I decided to "vote with my money" and just use my DX for the time being, and as my other lines came off contract, I would decide then whether Verizon was still worthy of my money. Now, however, if I wait much longer, I will lose any possibility of keeping my unlimited data. So I am in effect going to be punished for "standing up for myself".
Is this a brilliant way to nudge those of us who are POed about the $30 upgrade fee to bite the bullet and just pay it, in order to keep our unlimited data, even if it's just for one more contract term? Verizon could then easily claim that the $30 fee had no effect on their customer numbers, when those customers are really just being forced into paying the fee in order to keep their unlimited data for a bit longer. Kinda feels like blackmail, doesn't it?
Could Verizon really be that sinister, or is it all just a series of unfortunate coincidences for the customer? Yeah, right.
i'll be eligible in aug for upgrade from my droid x but nothing right now makes me want to change anything.
i don't need 4g or both cameras.
For almost a decade I have not had a reason to think of leaving VZW. The fact that I was "Grandfathered" in to the unlimited plan made staying a no brainer. Things started to change when I was told that if I altered my plan or added a line I would lose unlimited DATA since "the system" no longer provides the configuration option (yeah right!) So now this. This is not some sort of idle threat against Verizon, but VZW just provided the push I needed to check out the other carriers. And based on what I'm seeing so far, once this contract is up it will most likely be bye-bye VZW. Netflix comes to mind as others have posted. I also dropped them when they no longer cared about me as a customer.
adding a line to a shared plan? verizon cs told me i'm good on my one line unlimited data as long as i have a smartphone.
bearone21 wrote:adding a line to a shared plan? verizon cs told me i'm good on my one line unlimited data as long as i have a smartphone.
bearone21 wrote:
Those reps are clueless 99.999% of the time.
oh really.
all i've seen have been posts from other forums about verizon grandfathered unlimited data going to end. if you have something from verizon, post it or quit whining.
Agreed no unlimited no Verizon. AT&T still lets you upgrade their unlimited why cant verizon
