Was it a mistake to buy a 4s with only 3G?

[farocco53]

I am wondering if a LTE phone would have been a better choice, since I would be locked in for two years.

[rcschnoor]

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farocco53 wrote:

>>because its an iphone<<

That's not helpful.

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It might not be helpful, but that does not make it an inaccurate answer. For many, that IS the reason it was purchased.

[farocco53]

I can't argue that.

[kaebfly]

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mdram4x4 wrote:

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farocco53 wrote:

so 4g is going to be much faster.

Is that alone worth getting a droid?

if you need/want it

Why did others buy the iPhone 4s if 3g was that much slower?

because its an iphone

Thanks

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 Not EVERYONE that owns or chooses an iPhone does it just because it's an iPhone...it's really not that serious. For many (myself included) the iPhone better fit their real needs and wants. Speaking for myself, 4G is not a need or want that leads my purchase decision at this time so the device I ultimately chose did not have to have it. If the device I pick has it then that's cool...otherwise it really just didn't matter to me. I don't have a need for the fastest and latest of everything just because it's available...and I'm the type of person that ultimately look at my phone as a great way to do tasks while away from my computer but by no means expect it to replace my computer. I wasn't interested in a larger screen (perhaps I'm backwards on that but I know that if the next iPhone options get larger I am less likely to want to upgrade to it when eligible. I don't want to regress and go back to bigger and bulkier phones. The reality for me is that while I enjoy using my phone to watch videos and play games when I'm out and about I don't expect it to be my main source for viewing anything. Just as I have no intent to abandon my computer for my phone I don't plan to abandon my expensive flat panel tv for something that fits in my hand). I looked into the many Android devices out there for about a year while trying to decide what my next device would be. I considered sticking with BlackBerry through that whole time also...but wasn't thrilled with the devices made available in the last year and knew that the only one that caught my attention was a practical replica of the BB I already owned and wasn't exactly happy with. As far as the iPhone went...I had a slight interest in it but it wasn't strong enough to make me switch to AT&T for it nor was it something I was demanding VZW get for years. I only became slightly interested in it when I was given an iPod Touch as a gift. Prior to that I didn't have an interest in that product either (smaller capacity for more money seemed pointless to me when I felt I needed the space more than the dazzle lol), but I quickly came to enjoy my Touch. It also helped me overcome my resistance to a full touch screen only phone (prior to that I had no interest in being tied down to that type of device. I was fine with having a touch screen that also had a physical QWERTY and had owned a device like that prior to switching to BB). When the iPhone was announced for VZW I started researching all of my options again...looking closely at the Android devices and talking to people I know in the real world with Android phones (reading reviews is great but the opinions on any device by any brand will be skewed..."fanboys" exist for more than just iPhones lol and haters will flood reviews with negatives just because they can). The negatives I was told by friends far outweighed the positives for me despite many of those speaking to me can't imagine leaving the Android family despite the problems. Constant reboots remind me too much of BB issues (battery pulls)...battery life was too important to sacrifice for conveniences I personally wouldn't use enough to justify. And I admit it...the sheer number of Android devices constantly coming out from different brands and not being able to clearly find the best of the best (it was a battle between the Android devices and whose was the best when asking users. It's kind of like trying to figure out the best PC brand...they all may have the same OS and they all had the same core parts but you will easily find users that will sing praises of each brand...and  those that can bash them. This is a very loose theory so don't try to dissect it lol). I didn't have a high need to be able to customize my device (one of the pluses many always mentioned when talking to me about the Android devices versus an iPhone)...my wants in that area were simple. If I can use my own ringtones and I could change my wallpaper to a pic of my choice I was good. I don't use widgets on my computer to any high degree so I wasn't all that swayed by widgets on a phone. I don't mind clicking a few icons to get to what I want. Point is, I ultimately ruled out the Android devices as my next upgrade. I had already decided that I would be abandoning the BB family prior to the iPhone being announced IF I decided to upgrade. Prior to the iPhone announcement I had been sticking with my BB instead of using my eligible upgrade because I couldn't decide on an Android that I really wanted to commit to...at least with my BB I knew what to expect and I was a pro and "fixing" the issues lol.

As far as 3G being slower...for those that don't bother comparing speed tests with others and rely solely on how the device works for them...they may have chosen the 4s (or any other 3G device) because the speed worked for them. This is especially true depending on what device they came from in the first place. Some 3G devices are faster than others...so upgrading will not feel slow to them...in their eyes they may feel like they have a pretty fast device. Plus, you have to remember that despite all of these 4G devices coming out right not 4G isn't available everywhere yet...and there are many people that bought these devices but have yet to actually have access to the 4G network. Just like there are many people that get global capable devices but have never traveled outside of the country (or very far from their own state!). What you purchase is only a mistake if it doesn't meet YOUR needs and wants. Relying solely on what others tell you that you need will often get you a product that does more than you will ever use it for. It doesn't hurt you to have the extras but it doesn't really help you either if you don't or can't actually use them. It helps the manufacturer...and it helps the salesperson that has the task if pushing certain devices meet their qoutas.

But, I digress! lol. My advice is always get what YOU want for what YOU need because YOU have to use it.

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kaebfly wrote:

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mdram4x4 wrote:

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farocco53 wrote:

so 4g is going to be much faster.

Is that alone worth getting a droid?

if you need/want it

Why did others buy the iPhone 4s if 3g was that much slower?

because its an iphone

Thanks

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i agree that not everyone buys an iphone because its an iphone, but i bet half the people do

[galaxie500fb]

Your absolutely right mdram4x4. A lot of people will purchase an iphone just because it`s an iphone. Most likely due to the fact that apple has a strong history of building solid performing products. What's the best selling music player on the market? Ipod. What's the best selling tablet? Ipad. What's the best selling phone? hmmm... Oh ya it`s an iphone. Why? My guess is brand loyalty. They`re mostly repeat customers who continue to believe that their dollars are best spent on a trusted product and not the uncertainty one gets with an android device. They offer a product thats designed to do what people want. It works.

Android is a crap shoot. Everyday I would wonder if my Motorola Droid X was going to crash, reboot, require a battery pull, Will this app cause a conflict or not. The list goes on. My experience comes from the Droid X and it really wasn't a pleasant one so I decided to give apple a try and I`m still glad I did. The worst part of android was waiting on fixes for issues usually created from their so called updates. At least with apple they still support their products that were released years ago. 

A solid piece of hardware. A solid OS. Apps that work. Hardware that works. Company support for years. That's something that`s currently unavailable from any android device.

[silver6055]

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mdram4x4 wrote

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i agree that not everyone buys an iphone because its an iphone, but i bet half the people do

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When an iPhone comes out with LTE, I would expect it to be snapped up because it suddenly becomes an essential feature and in the minds of many it will be something invented by Apple.

But a little less cynically, yes, get the phone with the set of features that suits what (you think are)  your needs best, you may need to compromise if one phone doesn't have them all.

Ideally though, once you get the phone, try to remember that the fact that you chose it doesn't mean a) it is the best phone for everyone, and even b) it may not really have been the best phone for you (but that is hard to know unless you buy multiple phones).  Your choice of phone shouldn't really define much about you, there are much more important things, such as which breakfast cereal is the One True Cereal

[kaebfly]

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silver6055 wrote:

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mdram4x4 wrote

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i agree that not everyone buys an iphone because its an iphone, but i bet half the people do

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When an iPhone comes out with LTE, I would expect it to be snapped up because it suddenly becomes an essential feature and in the minds of many it will be something invented by Apple.

But a little less cynically, yes, get the phone with the set of features that suits what (you think are)  your needs best, you may need to compromise if one phone doesn't have them all.

Ideally though, once you get the phone, try to remember that the fact that you chose it doesn't mean a) it is the best phone for everyone, and even b) it may not really have been the best phone for you (but that is hard to know unless you buy multiple phones).  Your choice of phone shouldn't really define much about you, there are much more important things, such as which breakfast cereal is the One True Cereal

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LMAO! That last line alone was priceless!

[mdram4x4]

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silver6055 wrote:

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mdram4x4 wrote

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i agree that not everyone buys an iphone because its an iphone, but i bet half the people do

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When an iPhone comes out with LTE, I would expect it to be snapped up because it suddenly becomes an essential feature and in the minds of many it will be something invented by Apple.

But a little less cynically, yes, get the phone with the set of features that suits what (you think are)  your needs best, you may need to compromise if one phone doesn't have them all.

Ideally though, once you get the phone, try to remember that the fact that you chose it doesn't mean a) it is the best phone for everyone, and even b) it may not really have been the best phone for you (but that is hard to know unless you buy multiple phones).  Your choice of phone shouldn't really define much about you, there are much more important things, such as which breakfast cereal is the One True Cereal

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what i highlighted is how many ifolk feel

then the first iphone came out it could mot even pic message, something any free flip phone of the time could do

ifolk said they didnt need it

when apple put it in they thought it was better then sliced bread and couldnt wait to show thier friends the new invention of apple.

if its not on the iphone it does not exist, no matter how long other phpnes have had it, in the eyes of the kool aid drinkers for apple

[Tidbits]

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mdram4x4 wrote:

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silver6055 wrote:

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mdram4x4 wrote

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i agree that not everyone buys an iphone because its an iphone, but i bet half the people do

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When an iPhone comes out with LTE, I would expect it to be snapped up because it suddenly becomes an essential feature and in the minds of many it will be something invented by Apple.

But a little less cynically, yes, get the phone with the set of features that suits what (you think are)  your needs best, you may need to compromise if one phone doesn't have them all.

Ideally though, once you get the phone, try to remember that the fact that you chose it doesn't mean a) it is the best phone for everyone, and even b) it may not really have been the best phone for you (but that is hard to know unless you buy multiple phones).  Your choice of phone shouldn't really define much about you, there are much more important things, such as which breakfast cereal is the One True Cereal

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what i highlighted is how many ifolk feel

then the first iphone came out it could mot even pic message, something any free flip phone of the time could do

ifolk said they didnt need it

when apple put it in they thought it was better then sliced bread and couldnt wait to show thier friends the new invention of apple.

if its not on the iphone it does not exist, no matter how long other phpnes have had it, in the eyes of the kool aid drinkers for apple

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Sorry but I disagree...

Most people assume like you do without understanding the dymanics.  I have been in the IT field for years, and I understand why iPhones are so popular, and why you think these people are cheap.  Apple started simple before adding features.  This trained people to be a bit more tech savvy without overwhelming the user.  Those people get confortable, and then a new feature happen viola less to learn and it does more than before.  Apple does the K.I.S.S. better than anyone on the market.

It has nothing to do with "sheep" and koolaid...  Apple doesn't target our demographic, and that's something YOU need to understand.  I like Android as much as the next guy, but a lot of things in Apple is so simply my grandmother could figure it out faster than trying to figure out other devices which Apple had planned from the beginning.

People already considered LTE as an essential feature that are tech savvy.  If you looked at the normal people out there(Yes they are out there).  They have no clue what LTE is, and couldn't care less how fast it downloads...  They just expect it to work.  Since out of the box iPhones have a better track record than 85% of the devices out there with LTE(Apple doesn't put in tech like this on the infancy) Then iPhones will sell well.  Look at all the "iSheep" complain about it not being LTE and not being an iPhone 5...  They'll see the complaints about the Thunderbolt, Charge, Bionic, and possibly where do you think they'll go...  WP7 devices still don't have LTE as well.  Most don't like Microsoft just by name.  MS has left a bad taste in my mouth for the past 3 winmo devices, and I can't believe I would try them again(but I don't have a choice work related).

I have an unlimited text plan...  in the past 6 years I have probably sent 4 or 5 picture messages...  So if I had an iPhone or a  flip phone that didn't... It wouldn't bother me... Most people are like me... 

Remember something it's best to KEEP IT SIMPLE ST*PID especially when dealing with the baby boomer generation...  

[mdram4x4]

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Tidbits wrote:

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mdram4x4 wrote:

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silver6055 wrote:

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mdram4x4 wrote

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i agree that not everyone buys an iphone because its an iphone, but i bet half the people do

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When an iPhone comes out with LTE, I would expect it to be snapped up because it suddenly becomes an essential feature and in the minds of many it will be something invented by Apple.

But a little less cynically, yes, get the phone with the set of features that suits what (you think are)  your needs best, you may need to compromise if one phone doesn't have them all.

Ideally though, once you get the phone, try to remember that the fact that you chose it doesn't mean a) it is the best phone for everyone, and even b) it may not really have been the best phone for you (but that is hard to know unless you buy multiple phones).  Your choice of phone shouldn't really define much about you, there are much more important things, such as which breakfast cereal is the One True Cereal

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what i highlighted is how many ifolk feel

then the first iphone came out it could mot even pic message, something any free flip phone of the time could do

ifolk said they didnt need it

when apple put it in they thought it was better then sliced bread and couldnt wait to show thier friends the new invention of apple.

if its not on the iphone it does not exist, no matter how long other phpnes have had it, in the eyes of the kool aid drinkers for apple

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Sorry but I disagree...

Most people assume like you do without understanding the dymanics.  I have been in the IT field for years, and I understand why iPhones are so popular, and why you think these people are cheap.  Apple started simple before adding features.  This trained people to be a bit more tech savvy without overwhelming the user.  Those people get confortable, and then a new feature happen viola less to learn and it does more than before.  Apple does the K.I.S.S. better than anyone on the market.

It has nothing to do with "sheep" and koolaid...  Apple doesn't target our demographic, and that's something YOU need to understand.  I like Android as much as the next guy, but a lot of things in Apple is so simply my grandmother could figure it out faster than trying to figure out other devices which Apple had planned from the beginning.

People already considered LTE as an essential feature that are tech savvy.  If you looked at the normal people out there(Yes they are out there).  They have no clue what LTE is, and couldn't care less how fast it downloads...  They just expect it to work.  Since out of the box iPhones have a better track record than 85% of the devices out there with LTE(Apple doesn't put in tech like this on the infancy) Then iPhones will sell well.  Look at all the "iSheep" complain about it not being LTE and not being an iPhone 5...  They'll see the complaints about the Thunderbolt, Charge, Bionic, and possibly where do you think they'll go...  WP7 devices still don't have LTE as well.  Most don't like Microsoft just by name.  MS has left a bad taste in my mouth for the past 3 winmo devices, and I can't believe I would try them again(but I don't have a choice work related).

I have an unlimited text plan...  in the past 6 years I have probably sent 4 or 5 picture messages...  So if I had an iPhone or a  flip phone that didn't... It wouldn't bother me... Most people are like me... 

Remember something it's best to KEEP IT SIMPLE ST*PID especially when dealing with the baby boomer generation...  

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i dont quite agree everything you said.

i beleive its more like Assume Your Users Are St*pid is apples motto

my firsts smartphones were windows 6/6.1, i got used to being able to chage the home screen layouts, add widgets on custom launchers ect

l like being able to manually copy my music from various locations.

i dont like a peice of software, more like a virus, that takes over my media.

i dont like proprietary media formats

i like having access to flash is i want it

i like being able to side load apps without violating my warranty

i like having multple markets to get things, its all about choices

[tjmack99]

It has nothing to do with being smart, stupid, or a follower, or anything else.

The iPhone does a certain number of thing REALLY well. It doesn't do everything. That's the whole point!

I personally don't have the time or the inclination to be the guinnea pig for every new feature or technology. Many do. I  don't.

But I know that whatever new feature or technology ends up on an iPhone, it will work! 

That's what will make me choose an Apple product every time.  

[silver6055]

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tjmack99 wrote:

It has nothing to do with being smart, stupid, or a follower, or anything else.

The iPhone does a certain number of thing REALLY well. It doesn't do everything. That's the whole point!

I personally don't have the time or the inclination to be the guinnea pig for every new feature or technology. Many do. I  don't.

But I know that whatever new feature or technology ends up on an iPhone, it will work! 

That's what will make me choose an Apple product every time. 

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And that is certainly an understandable position.  (Perhaps a little strong, there are of course pages of bug reports for the iPhone on these forums, but that is true of every phone).

The only downside is that you might miss out, at first, on some great technology that comes to other platforms before being stolen/improved/adopted (choose) for the iPhone.  For some, for example, LTE is such a technology, for others who did buy LTE phones, they now feel like the guinea pig you mention!

But the real problem I think is the "cult" behavior on all sides.  Many Android lovers just "know" that the iPhone sucks and is for demented iSheep followers who couldn't have an independent thought if it etc etc, whereas iPhone users equally know that Android phones need to have their battery pulled every few minutes (which is a few minutes before the battery dies anyway), have an almost unusable interface, an app store filled with malware apps etc etc.     And the great thing is you can know this without ever using the phone in question.

This rant was set off by tjmack99's line:  That's what will make me choose an Apple product every time

Things can change: (e.g. people used to buy GM cars because they were the best in the world and the Japanese knew nothing about automotive manufacturing.  )   So, next time you buy a new phone at least take a look outside your comfort zone to see what is out there.  Probably you will still go with your original choice, but at least you got some exposure!

[21stNow]

This thread has been thoroughly entertaining.  I'm not going to pick a side in the iPhone vs. Android argument, as I'm a known fence-straddler on this issue.  I do agree with the sentiment that many posters have expressed in that one phone can be a great phone for you, while a different phone can be a great phone for me.  That's why I like choices!

[tjmack99]

And that is certainly an understandable position.  (Perhaps a little strong, there are of course pages of bug reports for the iPhone on these forums, but that is true of every phone).

The only downside is that you might miss out, at first, on some great technology that comes to other platforms before being stolen/improved/adopted (choose) for the iPhone.  For some, for example, LTE is such a technology, for others who did buy LTE phones, they now feel like the guinea pig you mention!

But the real problem I think is the "cult" behavior on all sides.  Many Android lovers just "know" that the iPhone sucks and is for demented iSheep followers who couldn't have an independent thought if it etc etc, whereas iPhone users equally know that Android phones need to have their battery pulled every few minutes (which is a few minutes before the battery dies anyway), have an almost unusable interface, an app store filled with malware apps etc etc.     And the great thing is you can know this without ever using the phone in question.

This rant was set off by tjmack99's line:  That's what will make me choose an Apple product every time

Things can change: (e.g. people used to buy GM cars because they were the best in the world and the Japanese knew nothing about automotive manufacturing.  )   So, next time you buy a new phone at least take a look outside your comfort zone to see what is out there.  Probably you will still go with your original choice, but at least you got some exposure!

Hey what is this, a civil discussion?! I love it!

Point taken, and I agree. I'm just pointing out that there are all "flavors" of consumers, and the ones who choose Apple, or IPhone, or iPad or whatever, may hactually have a reason for doing so, OTHER than being an iSheep. Which I think is the point you were making too.

It reminds me of the Yankees/RedSox arguments I've been a part of....most of the time it's the FANS of the other team that you don't like, not the team!

Cheers 

[kaebfly]

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mdram4x4 wrote:

i dont quite agree everything you said.

i beleive its more like Assume Your Users Are St*pid is apples motto

Does it occur to you that any and every company has a single goal in mind...and it's not to give the customer what they want...it's to convince the customer of what they need...and make a profit from that. In that sense, you can pretty much assume most companies assume users are "stupid" (not the word I would like to use) because the marketing campaigns are created to make a consumer look at their current product and realize it's apparently not good enough anymore because this new product has something I don't have and really need...even if I didn't know I needed it. A company's greatest customer base to draw focus on their great new product are techies and first adapters...Marketing 101. A company's greatest customer base for their products to have a long product life span are NOT the techies and 1st adapters (they switch teams any time something shiny and new are flashed in front of them because they thrive to have the latest and greatest immediately)...it's the "regular" people that don't care about speed test ratings or technical jargon...they want a product that works and they are comfortable with. In that case...you can easily argue that perhaps it's not the loyalist that foud something that works for them that are "stupid"...but the virtually free test market that pay the company to test their products and help them fix the bugs for those customers that will help their brand sustain.

my firsts smartphones were windows 6/6.1, i got used to being able to chage the home screen layouts, add widgets on custom launchers ect

It's great when something works for you...but you have to remember that the whole customer base out there isn't like you...and for many people, technology can be overwhelming. What you consider simple to learn and adapt to may not and is not the case for everyone. Yes, most probably can learn in some capacity...the question is, does everyone want to put that much time and effort into learning something that they may consider to only be a basic tool. There are people in the world that still consider their wireless phone a phone above everything else.

l like being able to manually copy my music from various locations.

To some, having their music organized in one place is a convenience that they prefer. Nothing wrong with that at all. There are others like you that out of princpal just don't like being controlled/limited in what they can do. Nothing wrong with that either.

i dont like a peice of software, more like a virus, that takes over my media.

Not sure why you think iTunes "takes over" your media. Do you also feel like purchased DVD's "take over" your media because they place safeguards on the discs to try and stop you from making copies and using it any way you wish to? Broadcast television that sometimes put blocks in their programing that stop you from recording it to Disc or some other format for personal use?

i dont like proprietary media formats

Apple does NOT own the market with proprietary media formats (open or closed). That dislike is more about not wanting to be told what you can or can't do with your media and becomes an intellectual property war, NOT an Apple vs Droid or any other device war. Besides, let's be clear...even back when it was more difficult to convert an iTunes purchased song for example it wasn't impossible...or really that difficult. Burning tracks to a CD and then re-importing them to any format you wanted wasn't that big of a deal, but you would think you were asked to go through some seedy underground terror dome to use iTunes purchased music anywhere but in iTunes (or an iPod).

i like having access to flash is i want it

For some that's important...for many it's not. Preference is neither wrong nor right...nor does it make a product more superior or less....only to those that want that feature.

i like being able to side load apps without violating my warranty

Side loading apps on an Apple product doesn't void your warranty...but it is not supported and IF said app causes an issue that messes up your Apple product then that is what causes your warranty to be voided.

i like having multple markets to get things, its all about choices

Choice is great...which makes me wonder why those that feel the need to hate on a product and the peorple that actually enjoy them...just like you (not necessarily YOU) were able to make your choice and be happy with it why knock others for choosing differently? Choosing what works for you doesn't make you stupid...nor does it make you smarter. It makes you human.

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[Tidbits]

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mdram4x4 wrote:

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Tidbits wrote:

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mdram4x4 wrote:

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silver6055 wrote:

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mdram4x4 wrote

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i agree that not everyone buys an iphone because its an iphone, but i bet half the people do

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When an iPhone comes out with LTE, I would expect it to be snapped up because it suddenly becomes an essential feature and in the minds of many it will be something invented by Apple.

But a little less cynically, yes, get the phone with the set of features that suits what (you think are)  your needs best, you may need to compromise if one phone doesn't have them all.

Ideally though, once you get the phone, try to remember that the fact that you chose it doesn't mean a) it is the best phone for everyone, and even b) it may not really have been the best phone for you (but that is hard to know unless you buy multiple phones).  Your choice of phone shouldn't really define much about you, there are much more important things, such as which breakfast cereal is the One True Cereal

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what i highlighted is how many ifolk feel

then the first iphone came out it could mot even pic message, something any free flip phone of the time could do

ifolk said they didnt need it

when apple put it in they thought it was better then sliced bread and couldnt wait to show thier friends the new invention of apple.

if its not on the iphone it does not exist, no matter how long other phpnes have had it, in the eyes of the kool aid drinkers for apple

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Sorry but I disagree...

Most people assume like you do without understanding the dymanics.  I have been in the IT field for years, and I understand why iPhones are so popular, and why you think these people are cheap.  Apple started simple before adding features.  This trained people to be a bit more tech savvy without overwhelming the user.  Those people get confortable, and then a new feature happen viola less to learn and it does more than before.  Apple does the K.I.S.S. better than anyone on the market.

It has nothing to do with "sheep" and koolaid...  Apple doesn't target our demographic, and that's something YOU need to understand.  I like Android as much as the next guy, but a lot of things in Apple is so simply my grandmother could figure it out faster than trying to figure out other devices which Apple had planned from the beginning.

People already considered LTE as an essential feature that are tech savvy.  If you looked at the normal people out there(Yes they are out there).  They have no clue what LTE is, and couldn't care less how fast it downloads...  They just expect it to work.  Since out of the box iPhones have a better track record than 85% of the devices out there with LTE(Apple doesn't put in tech like this on the infancy) Then iPhones will sell well.  Look at all the "iSheep" complain about it not being LTE and not being an iPhone 5...  They'll see the complaints about the Thunderbolt, Charge, Bionic, and possibly where do you think they'll go...  WP7 devices still don't have LTE as well.  Most don't like Microsoft just by name.  MS has left a bad taste in my mouth for the past 3 winmo devices, and I can't believe I would try them again(but I don't have a choice work related).

I have an unlimited text plan...  in the past 6 years I have probably sent 4 or 5 picture messages...  So if I had an iPhone or a  flip phone that didn't... It wouldn't bother me... Most people are like me... 

Remember something it's best to KEEP IT SIMPLE ST*PID especially when dealing with the baby boomer generation...  

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i dont quite agree everything you said.

i beleive its more like Assume Your Users Are St*pid is apples motto

That's wrong, and you assume that's what they assume.  They are only targeting stupid people.  Learn what KISS is and maybe you learn why that's always ideal.  Not everyone will have the technical knowledge as another.  The simplier you keep the better it is for both end user and developer. That Assume Your Users Are St*pid made me chuckle a bit.

my firsts smartphones were windows 6/6.1, i got used to being able to chage the home screen layouts, add widgets on custom launchers ect

Not everyone is you.  You are basically assuming everyone wants to tread your kind of waters off the bat.

l like being able to manually copy my music from various locations.

My wife does that through iTunes.  At least she has an easier way to allocate her music  for easy syncing.

i dont like a peice of software, more like a virus, that takes over my media.

I guess iTunes is too complicated for you.  

i dont like proprietary media formats

Of course not. most people don't.  The only thing that is proietary is videos and apps.  Same with Android unless the dev marks it open source.

i like having access to flash is i want it

I have never had the option to not have it on my phone.  Also NOT all flash content works with mobile flash.  Most of the stuff that uses Flash are advertisements.  I'd rather not see them.

i like being able to side load apps without violating my warranty

Most use this for piracy.  Android has a large piracy rate and that's why you will notice a lot of the "big" titles aren't in the Android market.

i like having multple markets to get things, its all about choices

There's only 2 real viable markets for Android unless you count the piracy locations you know they charge you $9.99 per month and you can download any app for "free".  They pocket all the money and leave the people who design, maintain, and program the apps.  Doesn't seem like a whole lot of choices.  Marketing at it's finest...

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i agree that not everyone buys an iphone because its an iphone, but i bet half the people do

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When an iPhone comes out with LTE, I would expect it to be snapped up because it suddenly becomes an essential feature and in the minds of many it will be something invented by Apple.

But a little less cynically, yes, get the phone with the set of features that suits what (you think are)  your needs best, you may need to compromise if one phone doesn't have them all.

Ideally though, once you get the phone, try to remember that the fact that you chose it doesn't mean a) it is the best phone for everyone, and even b) it may not really have been the best phone for you (but that is hard to know unless you buy multiple phones).  Your choice of phone shouldn't really define much about you, there are much more important things, such as which breakfast cereal is the One True Cereal

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what i highlighted is how many ifolk feel

then the first iphone came out it could mot even pic message, something any free flip phone of the time could do

ifolk said they didnt need it

when apple put it in they thought it was better then sliced bread and couldnt wait to show thier friends the new invention of apple.

if its not on the iphone it does not exist, no matter how long other phpnes have had it, in the eyes of the kool aid drinkers for apple

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Sorry but I disagree...

Most people assume like you do without understanding the dymanics.  I have been in the IT field for years, and I understand why iPhones are so popular, and why you think these people are cheap.  Apple started simple before adding features.  This trained people to be a bit more tech savvy without overwhelming the user.  Those people get confortable, and then a new feature happen viola less to learn and it does more than before.  Apple does the K.I.S.S. better than anyone on the market.

It has nothing to do with "sheep" and koolaid...  Apple doesn't target our demographic, and that's something YOU need to understand.  I like Android as much as the next guy, but a lot of things in Apple is so simply my grandmother could figure it out faster than trying to figure out other devices which Apple had planned from the beginning.

People already considered LTE as an essential feature that are tech savvy.  If you looked at the normal people out there(Yes they are out there).  They have no clue what LTE is, and couldn't care less how fast it downloads...  They just expect it to work.  Since out of the box iPhones have a better track record than 85% of the devices out there with LTE(Apple doesn't put in tech like this on the infancy) Then iPhones will sell well.  Look at all the "iSheep" complain about it not being LTE and not being an iPhone 5...  They'll see the complaints about the Thunderbolt, Charge, Bionic, and possibly where do you think they'll go...  WP7 devices still don't have LTE as well.  Most don't like Microsoft just by name.  MS has left a bad taste in my mouth for the past 3 winmo devices, and I can't believe I would try them again(but I don't have a choice work related).

I have an unlimited text plan...  in the past 6 years I have probably sent 4 or 5 picture messages...  So if I had an iPhone or a  flip phone that didn't... It wouldn't bother me... Most people are like me... 

Remember something it's best to KEEP IT SIMPLE ST*PID especially when dealing with the baby boomer generation...  

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i dont quite agree everything you said.

i beleive its more like Assume Your Users Are St*pid is apples motto

That's wrong, and you assume that's what they assume.  They are only targeting stupid people.  Learn what KISS is and maybe you learn why that's always ideal.  Not everyone will have the technical knowledge as another.  The simplier you keep the better it is for both end user and developer. That Assume Your Users Are St*pid made me chuckle a bit.

but not giving your users the option to change it is why i said that

winmo and andoid allowed you to leave it if you chose

my firsts smartphones were windows 6/6.1, i got used to being able to chage the home screen layouts, add widgets on custom launchers ect

Not everyone is you.  You are basically assuming everyone wants to tread your kind of waters off the bat.

again see first response, its about choice

l like being able to manually copy my music from various locations.

My wife does that through iTunes.  At least she has an easier way to allocate her music  for easy syncing.

again a choice thing

i dont like a peice of software, more like a virus, that takes over my media.

I guess iTunes is too complicated for you.  

nope, just too intusive last time i used it, and its a choice thing

i dont like proprietary media formats

Of course not. most people don't.  The only thing that is proietary is videos and apps.  Same with Android unless the dev marks it open source.

i like having access to flash is i want it

I have never had the option to not have it on my phone.  Also NOT all flash content works with mobile flash.  Most of the stuff that uses Flash are advertisements.  I'd rather not see them.

flash video?

i like being able to side load apps without violating my warranty

Most use this for piracy.  Android has a large piracy rate and that's why you will notice a lot of the "big" titles aren't in the Android market.

not all of it, i have dl's apks via browser and installed them manually

i like having multple markets to get things, its all about choices

There's only 2 real viable markets for Android unless you count the piracy locations you know they charge you $9.99 per month and you can download any app for "free".  They pocket all the money and leave the people who design, maintain, and program the apps.  Doesn't seem like a whole lot of choices.  Marketing at it's finest...

i was thinking off amazon and the android market place

or just buying from the dev alone, which is not widespread

i would actually prefer this as it keeps apple/google out of the loop

the fact they keep a percent of subscription fees gives less to the dev

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mdram4x4 wrote:

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Tidbits wrote:

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mdram4x4 wrote:

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Tidbits wrote:

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mdram4x4 wrote:

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silver6055 wrote:

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mdram4x4 wrote

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i agree that not everyone buys an iphone because its an iphone, but i bet half the people do

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When an iPhone comes out with LTE, I would expect it to be snapped up because it suddenly becomes an essential feature and in the minds of many it will be something invented by Apple.

But a little less cynically, yes, get the phone with the set of features that suits what (you think are)  your needs best, you may need to compromise if one phone doesn't have them all.

Ideally though, once you get the phone, try to remember that the fact that you chose it doesn't mean a) it is the best phone for everyone, and even b) it may not really have been the best phone for you (but that is hard to know unless you buy multiple phones).  Your choice of phone shouldn't really define much about you, there are much more important things, such as which breakfast cereal is the One True Cereal

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what i highlighted is how many ifolk feel

then the first iphone came out it could mot even pic message, something any free flip phone of the time could do

ifolk said they didnt need it

when apple put it in they thought it was better then sliced bread and couldnt wait to show thier friends the new invention of apple.

if its not on the iphone it does not exist, no matter how long other phpnes have had it, in the eyes of the kool aid drinkers for apple

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Sorry but I disagree...

Most people assume like you do without understanding the dymanics.  I have been in the IT field for years, and I understand why iPhones are so popular, and why you think these people are cheap.  Apple started simple before adding features.  This trained people to be a bit more tech savvy without overwhelming the user.  Those people get confortable, and then a new feature happen viola less to learn and it does more than before.  Apple does the K.I.S.S. better than anyone on the market.

It has nothing to do with "sheep" and koolaid...  Apple doesn't target our demographic, and that's something YOU need to understand.  I like Android as much as the next guy, but a lot of things in Apple is so simply my grandmother could figure it out faster than trying to figure out other devices which Apple had planned from the beginning.

People already considered LTE as an essential feature that are tech savvy.  If you looked at the normal people out there(Yes they are out there).  They have no clue what LTE is, and couldn't care less how fast it downloads...  They just expect it to work.  Since out of the box iPhones have a better track record than 85% of the devices out there with LTE(Apple doesn't put in tech like this on the infancy) Then iPhones will sell well.  Look at all the "iSheep" complain about it not being LTE and not being an iPhone 5...  They'll see the complaints about the Thunderbolt, Charge, Bionic, and possibly where do you think they'll go...  WP7 devices still don't have LTE as well.  Most don't like Microsoft just by name.  MS has left a bad taste in my mouth for the past 3 winmo devices, and I can't believe I would try them again(but I don't have a choice work related).

I have an unlimited text plan...  in the past 6 years I have probably sent 4 or 5 picture messages...  So if I had an iPhone or a  flip phone that didn't... It wouldn't bother me... Most people are like me... 

Remember something it's best to KEEP IT SIMPLE ST*PID especially when dealing with the baby boomer generation...  

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i dont quite agree everything you said.

i beleive its more like Assume Your Users Are St*pid is apples motto

That's wrong, and you assume that's what they assume.  They are only targeting stupid people.  Learn what KISS is and maybe you learn why that's always ideal.  Not everyone will have the technical knowledge as another.  The simplier you keep the better it is for both end user and developer. That Assume Your Users Are St*pid made me chuckle a bit.

but not giving your users the option to change it is why i said that

winmo and andoid allowed you to leave it if you chose

my firsts smartphones were windows 6/6.1, i got used to being able to chage the home screen layouts, add widgets on custom launchers ect

Not everyone is you.  You are basically assuming everyone wants to tread your kind of waters off the bat.

again see first response, its about choice

l like being able to manually copy my music from various locations.

My wife does that through iTunes.  At least she has an easier way to allocate her music  for easy syncing.

again a choice thing

i dont like a peice of software, more like a virus, that takes over my media.

I guess iTunes is too complicated for you.  

nope, just too intusive last time i used it, and its a choice thing

i dont like proprietary media formats

Of course not. most people don't.  The only thing that is proietary is videos and apps.  Same with Android unless the dev marks it open source.

i like having access to flash is i want it

I have never had the option to not have it on my phone.  Also NOT all flash content works with mobile flash.  Most of the stuff that uses Flash are advertisements.  I'd rather not see them.

flash video?

like where? youtube? some pornsites? Netflix?  wait....  they don't use flash...

i like being able to side load apps without violating my warranty

Most use this for piracy.  Android has a large piracy rate and that's why you will notice a lot of the "big" titles aren't in the Android market.

not all of it, i have dl's apks via browser and installed them manually

Which has DRM which defeats your perpietary argument.

i like having multple markets to get things, its all about choices

There's only 2 real viable markets for Android unless you count the piracy locations you know they charge you $9.99 per month and you can download any app for "free".  They pocket all the money and leave the people who design, maintain, and program the apps.  Doesn't seem like a whole lot of choices.  Marketing at it's finest...

i was thinking off amazon and the android market place

or just buying from the dev alone, which is not widespread

i would actually prefer this as it keeps apple/google out of the loop

the fact they keep a percent of subscription fees gives less to the dev

  Sorry doesn't work that way.  Its more appealing for most devs not having their own servers, lowers the overhead.  I have yet to see a price difference enough to host them yourself or having Apple/ Google host them

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[farocco53]

>>But, I digress! lol. My advice is always get what YOU want for what YOU need because YOU have to use it.<<

I agree and thanks for that long response. lol

The only think I found that could change was an audio alert for missed calls.

I already sent feedback to apple requesting this.

My overall experience with the IPhone so far has been good and I will keep it.

Mostly because I have some apps that are not on android.

Personal finance like Moneywell and Budget to name a few.

Regards 

[gerelee]

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so 4g is going to be much faster.

Is that alone worth getting a droid?

Why did others buy the iPhone 4s if 3g was that much slower?

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yes 4g is MUCH FASTER!

depends on your needs as to whether you get a droid or not .. or get both!!! it's not a cut 'n dried answer, they each do things that the other can't.

4g also eats your battery like a kid with a bag of halloween candy BUT, it can be turned off. for me, the 4g phones would lose ALL CONNECTIONS to the internet, fairly regularly, which my 3g phones just don't do .. so it was a rather easy decision.

[farocco53]

>>4g also eats your battery like a kid with a bag of halloween candy BUT, it can be turned off. for me, the 4g phones would lose ALL CONNECTIONS to the internet, fairly regularly, which my 3g phones just don't do .. so it was a rather easy decision.<<

I di not know this, this kind of make me feel better about the iPhone 4s.

Thanks