Was it a mistake to buy a 4s with only 3G?

[farocco53]

I am wondering if a LTE phone would have been a better choice, since I would be locked in for two years.

[Tidbits]

It has more to do with the manufacturer and money.  Apple update their devices as they have invested interest in what happens AFTER the initial sale of the device.  iTunes is very lucrative to Apple and without them updating their product they wouldn't be as popular.  While Android manufacturers DO NOT make sales after the initial sale of the device unless they charge carriers to update devices, and if one of their devices doesn't sell very well on a carrier it wouldn't be worth the carrier to update that device as it would cost more than for them to update the device than bring it in.  It's a money game.  The more popular the device the more likely it'll get the updates.

Like I said in my earlier post support starts with the manufacturers and manufacturers wouldn't bother working on an update if it the device doesn't sell well.  If they honestly supported their device while actually trying to get money from manufacturers they could at least release the drivers and ril, but they are not even bother working on it.  When you root people use the earlier versions and try and fix the bugs, and lay the newer OS on top of it.  This requires more work, and makes some interesting bugs. 

Eris is already End of Life and no update will ever happen whether from manufacturer, or carrier(unless they pay up, and that would be based on how many customers bought the device).  Droid vs. Eris for example... Droid sold a lot more than the Eris and which device saw more updates?

I will honestly NEVER blame the carrier for not getting an update.  They did not make the device.  They buy the devices from the manufacturer much like GameStop buying the Xbox 360.  GameStop isn't liable or even blamed when the Xbox 360 gets updated.  Why should carriers as well?  I think it's just easier placing the blame on carriers and the manufacturers know this and try and "extort" money from carriers.  Carriers will gladly do it if the device sells very well due to the fact that's activations or renewels that helps them make more money, but when the "asking" price is higher than what it brings in then would it be worth it?

[mikedamirault]

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Tidbits wrote:

I will honestly NEVER blame the carrier for not getting an update.  They did not make the device.  They buy the devices from the manufacturer much like GameStop buying the Xbox 360.  GameStop isn't liable or even blamed when the Xbox 360 gets updated.  Why should carriers as well?  I think it's just easier placing the blame on carriers and the manufacturers know this and try and "extort" money from carriers.  Carriers will gladly do it if the device sells very well due to the fact that's activations or renewels that helps them make more money, but when the "asking" price is higher than what it brings in then would it be worth it?

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Well, I have been with verizon since around '07, and in that time I have gone through 4 phones, in my experience with Verizon, they tend to get their hands into things they shouldn't (removing or blocking features, sometimes basic features, charge for features that should be free, etc.), so you could get the same or a similar phone at Sprint, or at AT&T or T-Mobile (if there is a GSM model of that given phone), and not get the same limitations or blocks that you get when you get the phone through Verizon, so Verizon does tend to get into the firmware of certain phones in order to block stuff for exta profit

With your GameStop/Xbox 360 analogy, it would be like GameStop installing software on the Xbox 360 in order to only run games sold by them, so if you wanted to buy a game at Best Buy let's say, you would have to take your Xbox into GameStop and pay a fee to have the external game source block removed, versus going to Best Buy to buy the Xbox 360, and not having to worry where you buy your games

In the end, my point still stands, no matter who decided to block the possibility of updating to Froyo, it was still blocked, and because of the battery and speed issues I was having (that I thought Froyo would fix), I had two choices, either get another Droid and risk having the same battery and speed issues even with Froyo (remember, I wasn't 100% sure of Froyo would solve my problems or not, it was just worth trying if I could get it), and being locked into another 2yr contract with the possibility of it happening again, or get an iPhone, something I know I would have better battery life and no speed issues with, and that I would be willing to make a 2yr commitment with, I got the iPhone and never looked back, of course there are features of the Eris that I missed, but I have the WiFi Hotspot feature on my iPhone (something I never had on my Eris), so I can just turn on the wireless hotspot feature, and connect the Eris to the internet over the iPhone, problem solved, and I have the best of both worlds

[Tidbits]

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Tidbits wrote:

I will honestly NEVER blame the carrier for not getting an update.  They did not make the device.  They buy the devices from the manufacturer much like GameStop buying the Xbox 360.  GameStop isn't liable or even blamed when the Xbox 360 gets updated.  Why should carriers as well?  I think it's just easier placing the blame on carriers and the manufacturers know this and try and "extort" money from carriers.  Carriers will gladly do it if the device sells very well due to the fact that's activations or renewels that helps them make more money, but when the "asking" price is higher than what it brings in then would it be worth it?

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Well, I have been with verizon since around '07, and in that time I have gone through 4 phones, in my experience with Verizon, they tend to get their hands into things they shouldn't (removing or blocking features, sometimes basic features, charge for features that should be free, etc.), so you could get the same or a similar phone at Sprint, or at AT&T or T-Mobile (if there is a GSM model of that given phone), and not get the same limitations or blocks that you get when you get the phone through Verizon, so Verizon does tend to get into the firmware of certain phones in order to block stuff for exta profit

They all do...  It's nothing new, and they are for profit...  I can show you things within Sprint's and T-Mobile's terms that'll make you go...  I didn't know that...  Really...  

With your GameStop/Xbox 360 analogy, it would be like GameStop installing software on the Xbox 360 in order to only run games sold by them, so if you wanted to buy a game at Best Buy let's say, you would have to take your Xbox into GameStop and pay a fee to have the external game source block removed, versus going to Best Buy to buy the Xbox 360, and not having to worry where you buy your games

 Nope Verizon doesn't install the updates.  They come from the manufacturer.  You can get them FOTA or do it manually(signed key's are from the manufacturers just like the FOTA is).  They are selling services, and the updates has nothing to do with what they sell.  They do not sell phones.  The manufacturers make the money off the device, and carriers make money off the services for said device.  Not the games, not the controllers, nothing else.

In the end, my point still stands, no matter who decided to block the possibility of updating to Froyo, it was still blocked, and because of the battery and speed issues I was having (that I thought Froyo would fix), I had two choices, either get another Droid and risk having the same battery and speed issues even with Froyo (remember, I wasn't 100% sure of Froyo would solve my problems or not, it was just worth trying if I could get it), and being locked into another 2yr contract with the possibility of it happening again, or get an iPhone, something I know I would have better battery life and no speed issues with, and that I would be willing to make a 2yr commitment with, I got the iPhone and never looked back, of course there are features of the Eris that I missed, but I have the WiFi Hotspot feature on my iPhone (something I never had on my Eris), so I can just turn on the wireless hotspot feature, and connect the Eris to the internet over the iPhone, problem solved, and I have the best of both worlds

My point still stands.  Just the fact you need signed keys from the manufacturer just to install anything on any device.  Even the Nexus line of devices you need signed keys from Google UNLESS you unlocked the bootloader. People assume the "update" to a higher OS would fix the issue.  Often it doesn't...  You could actually stay on whatever version you have and just do the bug fixes.  Sure you won't get some "nifty" new features, but at least it works better.

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As I said it's two different systems, and it's the manufacturer that controls both of them.   Apple seems "ideal", but people don't bother to see how much they make AFTER the sale.  Other manufacturers that don't produce their hardware, own OS, and don't have their own market will fall pray to initial sale and nothing afterwards.  They try and strong arm money after  the fact for updates.

I am just pointing out it is not the carriers that does this.  A lot of finger pointing happens towards the carriers and the complaints happen towards the carriers.  Manufacturers point their fingers at the carriers without stating why.  It's because 99% of the time manufacturers are charging carriers large amounts of money to do updates.  If they honestly supported their products for at least a year.

On a side note...  I bet all the devices I have...  If people stopped pointing the finger at carriers for updates and keep it firm on the manufacturers I will bet there would be a lot more updates/fixes.  If people actually stuck to their guns about boycotting a lot of things would honestly be better in the market.  We control most of the power and by buying and complaining and continue to buy things from the same companies defeats the purpose.

[mikedamirault]

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Tidbits wrote:

I will honestly NEVER blame the carrier for not getting an update.  They did not make the device.  They buy the devices from the manufacturer much like GameStop buying the Xbox 360.  GameStop isn't liable or even blamed when the Xbox 360 gets updated.  Why should carriers as well?  I think it's just easier placing the blame on carriers and the manufacturers know this and try and "extort" money from carriers.  Carriers will gladly do it if the device sells very well due to the fact that's activations or renewels that helps them make more money, but when the "asking" price is higher than what it brings in then would it be worth it?

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Well, I have been with verizon since around '07, and in that time I have gone through 4 phones, in my experience with Verizon, they tend to get their hands into things they shouldn't (removing or blocking features, sometimes basic features, charge for features that should be free, etc.), so you could get the same or a similar phone at Sprint, or at AT&T or T-Mobile (if there is a GSM model of that given phone), and not get the same limitations or blocks that you get when you get the phone through Verizon, so Verizon does tend to get into the firmware of certain phones in order to block stuff for exta profit

They all do...  It's nothing new, and they are for profit...  I can show you things within Sprint's and T-Mobile's terms that'll make you go...  I didn't know that...  Really...  

Of course all carriers have their limitations, but not as much as Verizon, in my experience, I have seen a lot of things blocked on Verizon phones that are otherwise unlocked/free with other carriers (none that I can come off the top of my head with right now though)

I have heard from many sources, that when Apple first came out with the iPhone, AT&T wasn't Apple's first choice of carrier to support the iPhone on (and have exclusivity rights), Apple actually chose Verizon to begin with, but Apple wanted the network to work in a certain way (or something like that) to support the iPhone's features, due to Verizon's, for lack of a better word, greediness, Verizon declined, Apple then went to the next carrier on their list, AT&T, due to popularity of the iPhone, 4 iPhone generations later, Apple made the offer to Verizon again (after the AT&T exclusivity deal), hence the CDMA iPhone 4 (the iPhone doesn't have as many limitations as Verizon's other phones, at least in my experience, and the limitations it does have are because of CDMA)

With your GameStop/Xbox 360 analogy, it would be like GameStop installing software on the Xbox 360 in order to only run games sold by them, so if you wanted to buy a game at Best Buy let's say, you would have to take your Xbox into GameStop and pay a fee to have the external game source block removed, versus going to Best Buy to buy the Xbox 360, and not having to worry where you buy your games

 Nope Verizon doesn't install the updates.  They come from the manufacturer.  You can get them FOTA or do it manually(signed key's are from the manufacturers just like the FOTA is).  They are selling services, and the updates has nothing to do with what they sell.  They do not sell phones.  The manufacturers make the money off the device, and carriers make money off the services for said device.  Not the games, not the controllers, nothing else.

Of course Verizon doesn't install the updates/firmware, either they come factory installed or they are updated by the customer, that doesn't mean that Verizon doesn't get to decide how they want the firmware to operate

http://www.droid-life.com/2010/11/17/verizon-blocking-att-gsm-bands-on-droid-2-global/

Here is a good example of what I am talking about, it says that Verizon put a firmware block on the Droid 2 (global phone) in order to prevent the GSM portion to accept an AT&T SIM card (or to accept AT&T service in general, personally, I think that's proof enough that Verizon is putting their hands where they don't belong

In the end, my point still stands, no matter who decided to block the possibility of updating to Froyo, it was still blocked, and because of the battery and speed issues I was having (that I thought Froyo would fix), I had two choices, either get another Droid and risk having the same battery and speed issues even with Froyo (remember, I wasn't 100% sure of Froyo would solve my problems or not, it was just worth trying if I could get it), and being locked into another 2yr contract with the possibility of it happening again, or get an iPhone, something I know I would have better battery life and no speed issues with, and that I would be willing to make a 2yr commitment with, I got the iPhone and never looked back, of course there are features of the Eris that I missed, but I have the WiFi Hotspot feature on my iPhone (something I never had on my Eris), so I can just turn on the wireless hotspot feature, and connect the Eris to the internet over the iPhone, problem solved, and I have the best of both worlds

My point still stands.  Just the fact you need signed keys from the manufacturer just to install anything on any device.  Even the Nexus line of devices you need signed keys from Google UNLESS you unlocked the bootloader. People assume the "update" to a higher OS would fix the issue.  Often it doesn't...  You could actually stay on whatever version you have and just do the bug fixes.  Sure you won't get some "nifty" new features, but at least it works better.

This all stemmed from a comment I made where I said that one of the reasons why I switched to the iPhone and haven't looked back was because Verizon refused to support Froyo and up on the Eris (without rooting), and no matter who is guilty for refusing support of Froyo on the Eris, I stand by what I said, I had battery and speed issues, I thought Froyo would fix my issues, and it didn't matter if it did or not because it wasn't supported to begin with, then that's when the CDMA iPhone came out, so I had a choice, either a Droid Incredible (Bionic, or whatever other Android smartphone), and risk having the same problems if Froyo and up didn't have better battery management or better speed, or get the iPhone, which had better battery life and better speed, not to mention a working built-in task manager allowing me to close out of apps I am not currently using, saving battery life, without the phone reopening the app (like the Android OS does), wasting even more battery life

While iOS doesn't have everything that Android OS does, iOS is more polished and stable (not that Android OS is unstable), and the iPhone suits most of my needs (there's still some things I still need my Eris for, but it still needs my iPhone for the Wireless Hotspot feature), that was my point all along

BTW, I have updated my iPhone to iOS 5 not long ago, couldn't be happier, a couple of issues here and there, but overall a good experience

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As I said it's two different systems, and it's the manufacturer that controls both of them.   Apple seems "ideal", but people don't bother to see how much they make AFTER the sale.  Other manufacturers that don't produce their hardware, own OS, and don't have their own market will fall pray to initial sale and nothing afterwards.  They try and strong arm money after  the fact for updates.

There is no doubt Apple controls their updates, that is one thing I like about the iPhone, there is no interference from Verizon, that is why the iPhone has very few limitations when compared to other Verizon phones, Android is a different story though, no matter what you say

I am just pointing out it is not the carriers that does this.  A lot of finger pointing happens towards the carriers and the complaints happen towards the carriers.  Manufacturers point their fingers at the carriers without stating why.  It's because 99% of the time manufacturers are charging carriers large amounts of money to do updates.  If they honestly supported their products for at least a year.

Like I said above, they do, and they did (the AT&T SIM block on the Droid 2), so maybe there's a reason people are pointing fingers

Why would a manufacturer charge a carrier for a software/firmware update for their own device?  (unless of course the carrier is requesting something in that given update) Quite frankly that makes no sense to me

On a side note...  I bet all the devices I have...  If people stopped pointing the finger at carriers for updates and keep it firm on the manufacturers I will bet there would be a lot more updates/fixes.  If people actually stuck to their guns about boycotting a lot of things would honestly be better in the market.  We control most of the power and by buying and complaining and continue to buy things from the same companies defeats the purpose.

Now I am not sure, but I highly doubt that, I don't think if people stopped finger pointing, that there would be any difference, if anything, the finger pointing would at least be initiative for them to do someting, either the carrier or the manufacturer, I mean, who wants to be blamed for something?

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farocco53 wrote:

I see posts that AT&T is faster in their data.

I do not know how this compares to real life usage.

I was thinking of a droid, but I like the overall experience I am getting with the iPhone 4s

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iphone 4s on at&t will/may get faster data speeds than the iphone 4s on verizon ... depends on the 3g coverage where you live. though neither one compares to verizon 4g speeds .. not even close.

[farocco53]

so 4g is going to be much faster.

Is that alone worth getting a droid?

Why did others buy the iPhone 4s if 3g was that much slower?

Thanks

[mdram4x4]

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farocco53 wrote:

so 4g is going to be much faster.

Is that alone worth getting a droid?

if you need/want it

Why did others buy the iPhone 4s if 3g was that much slower?

because its an iphone

Thanks

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[farocco53]

>>because its an iphone<<

That's not helpful.

I like mac, I also have an iMac.

I am just wondering what reasons people would buy the IPhone over a droid.

I do not plan on buying the droid, I like my iPhone, but am concerned if the lack of LTE would make me regret it down the road.

[rcschnoor]

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farocco53 wrote:

>>because its an iphone<<

That's not helpful.

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It might not be helpful, but that does not make it an inaccurate answer. For many, that IS the reason it was purchased.

[farocco53]

I can't argue that.

[kaebfly]

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farocco53 wrote:

so 4g is going to be much faster.

Is that alone worth getting a droid?

if you need/want it

Why did others buy the iPhone 4s if 3g was that much slower?

because its an iphone

Thanks

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 Not EVERYONE that owns or chooses an iPhone does it just because it's an iPhone...it's really not that serious. For many (myself included) the iPhone better fit their real needs and wants. Speaking for myself, 4G is not a need or want that leads my purchase decision at this time so the device I ultimately chose did not have to have it. If the device I pick has it then that's cool...otherwise it really just didn't matter to me. I don't have a need for the fastest and latest of everything just because it's available...and I'm the type of person that ultimately look at my phone as a great way to do tasks while away from my computer but by no means expect it to replace my computer. I wasn't interested in a larger screen (perhaps I'm backwards on that but I know that if the next iPhone options get larger I am less likely to want to upgrade to it when eligible. I don't want to regress and go back to bigger and bulkier phones. The reality for me is that while I enjoy using my phone to watch videos and play games when I'm out and about I don't expect it to be my main source for viewing anything. Just as I have no intent to abandon my computer for my phone I don't plan to abandon my expensive flat panel tv for something that fits in my hand). I looked into the many Android devices out there for about a year while trying to decide what my next device would be. I considered sticking with BlackBerry through that whole time also...but wasn't thrilled with the devices made available in the last year and knew that the only one that caught my attention was a practical replica of the BB I already owned and wasn't exactly happy with. As far as the iPhone went...I had a slight interest in it but it wasn't strong enough to make me switch to AT&T for it nor was it something I was demanding VZW get for years. I only became slightly interested in it when I was given an iPod Touch as a gift. Prior to that I didn't have an interest in that product either (smaller capacity for more money seemed pointless to me when I felt I needed the space more than the dazzle lol), but I quickly came to enjoy my Touch. It also helped me overcome my resistance to a full touch screen only phone (prior to that I had no interest in being tied down to that type of device. I was fine with having a touch screen that also had a physical QWERTY and had owned a device like that prior to switching to BB). When the iPhone was announced for VZW I started researching all of my options again...looking closely at the Android devices and talking to people I know in the real world with Android phones (reading reviews is great but the opinions on any device by any brand will be skewed..."fanboys" exist for more than just iPhones lol and haters will flood reviews with negatives just because they can). The negatives I was told by friends far outweighed the positives for me despite many of those speaking to me can't imagine leaving the Android family despite the problems. Constant reboots remind me too much of BB issues (battery pulls)...battery life was too important to sacrifice for conveniences I personally wouldn't use enough to justify. And I admit it...the sheer number of Android devices constantly coming out from different brands and not being able to clearly find the best of the best (it was a battle between the Android devices and whose was the best when asking users. It's kind of like trying to figure out the best PC brand...they all may have the same OS and they all had the same core parts but you will easily find users that will sing praises of each brand...and  those that can bash them. This is a very loose theory so don't try to dissect it lol). I didn't have a high need to be able to customize my device (one of the pluses many always mentioned when talking to me about the Android devices versus an iPhone)...my wants in that area were simple. If I can use my own ringtones and I could change my wallpaper to a pic of my choice I was good. I don't use widgets on my computer to any high degree so I wasn't all that swayed by widgets on a phone. I don't mind clicking a few icons to get to what I want. Point is, I ultimately ruled out the Android devices as my next upgrade. I had already decided that I would be abandoning the BB family prior to the iPhone being announced IF I decided to upgrade. Prior to the iPhone announcement I had been sticking with my BB instead of using my eligible upgrade because I couldn't decide on an Android that I really wanted to commit to...at least with my BB I knew what to expect and I was a pro and "fixing" the issues lol.

As far as 3G being slower...for those that don't bother comparing speed tests with others and rely solely on how the device works for them...they may have chosen the 4s (or any other 3G device) because the speed worked for them. This is especially true depending on what device they came from in the first place. Some 3G devices are faster than others...so upgrading will not feel slow to them...in their eyes they may feel like they have a pretty fast device. Plus, you have to remember that despite all of these 4G devices coming out right not 4G isn't available everywhere yet...and there are many people that bought these devices but have yet to actually have access to the 4G network. Just like there are many people that get global capable devices but have never traveled outside of the country (or very far from their own state!). What you purchase is only a mistake if it doesn't meet YOUR needs and wants. Relying solely on what others tell you that you need will often get you a product that does more than you will ever use it for. It doesn't hurt you to have the extras but it doesn't really help you either if you don't or can't actually use them. It helps the manufacturer...and it helps the salesperson that has the task if pushing certain devices meet their qoutas.

But, I digress! lol. My advice is always get what YOU want for what YOU need because YOU have to use it.

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farocco53 wrote:

so 4g is going to be much faster.

Is that alone worth getting a droid?

if you need/want it

Why did others buy the iPhone 4s if 3g was that much slower?

because its an iphone

Thanks

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i agree that not everyone buys an iphone because its an iphone, but i bet half the people do

[galaxie500fb]

Your absolutely right mdram4x4. A lot of people will purchase an iphone just because it`s an iphone. Most likely due to the fact that apple has a strong history of building solid performing products. What's the best selling music player on the market? Ipod. What's the best selling tablet? Ipad. What's the best selling phone? hmmm... Oh ya it`s an iphone. Why? My guess is brand loyalty. They`re mostly repeat customers who continue to believe that their dollars are best spent on a trusted product and not the uncertainty one gets with an android device. They offer a product thats designed to do what people want. It works.

Android is a crap shoot. Everyday I would wonder if my Motorola Droid X was going to crash, reboot, require a battery pull, Will this app cause a conflict or not. The list goes on. My experience comes from the Droid X and it really wasn't a pleasant one so I decided to give apple a try and I`m still glad I did. The worst part of android was waiting on fixes for issues usually created from their so called updates. At least with apple they still support their products that were released years ago. 

A solid piece of hardware. A solid OS. Apps that work. Hardware that works. Company support for years. That's something that`s currently unavailable from any android device.

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i agree that not everyone buys an iphone because its an iphone, but i bet half the people do

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When an iPhone comes out with LTE, I would expect it to be snapped up because it suddenly becomes an essential feature and in the minds of many it will be something invented by Apple.

But a little less cynically, yes, get the phone with the set of features that suits what (you think are)  your needs best, you may need to compromise if one phone doesn't have them all.

Ideally though, once you get the phone, try to remember that the fact that you chose it doesn't mean a) it is the best phone for everyone, and even b) it may not really have been the best phone for you (but that is hard to know unless you buy multiple phones).  Your choice of phone shouldn't really define much about you, there are much more important things, such as which breakfast cereal is the One True Cereal

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i agree that not everyone buys an iphone because its an iphone, but i bet half the people do

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When an iPhone comes out with LTE, I would expect it to be snapped up because it suddenly becomes an essential feature and in the minds of many it will be something invented by Apple.

But a little less cynically, yes, get the phone with the set of features that suits what (you think are)  your needs best, you may need to compromise if one phone doesn't have them all.

Ideally though, once you get the phone, try to remember that the fact that you chose it doesn't mean a) it is the best phone for everyone, and even b) it may not really have been the best phone for you (but that is hard to know unless you buy multiple phones).  Your choice of phone shouldn't really define much about you, there are much more important things, such as which breakfast cereal is the One True Cereal

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LMAO! That last line alone was priceless!

[mdram4x4]

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mdram4x4 wrote

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i agree that not everyone buys an iphone because its an iphone, but i bet half the people do

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When an iPhone comes out with LTE, I would expect it to be snapped up because it suddenly becomes an essential feature and in the minds of many it will be something invented by Apple.

But a little less cynically, yes, get the phone with the set of features that suits what (you think are)  your needs best, you may need to compromise if one phone doesn't have them all.

Ideally though, once you get the phone, try to remember that the fact that you chose it doesn't mean a) it is the best phone for everyone, and even b) it may not really have been the best phone for you (but that is hard to know unless you buy multiple phones).  Your choice of phone shouldn't really define much about you, there are much more important things, such as which breakfast cereal is the One True Cereal

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what i highlighted is how many ifolk feel

then the first iphone came out it could mot even pic message, something any free flip phone of the time could do

ifolk said they didnt need it

when apple put it in they thought it was better then sliced bread and couldnt wait to show thier friends the new invention of apple.

if its not on the iphone it does not exist, no matter how long other phpnes have had it, in the eyes of the kool aid drinkers for apple

[Tidbits]

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mdram4x4 wrote:

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silver6055 wrote:

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mdram4x4 wrote

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i agree that not everyone buys an iphone because its an iphone, but i bet half the people do

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When an iPhone comes out with LTE, I would expect it to be snapped up because it suddenly becomes an essential feature and in the minds of many it will be something invented by Apple.

But a little less cynically, yes, get the phone with the set of features that suits what (you think are)  your needs best, you may need to compromise if one phone doesn't have them all.

Ideally though, once you get the phone, try to remember that the fact that you chose it doesn't mean a) it is the best phone for everyone, and even b) it may not really have been the best phone for you (but that is hard to know unless you buy multiple phones).  Your choice of phone shouldn't really define much about you, there are much more important things, such as which breakfast cereal is the One True Cereal

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what i highlighted is how many ifolk feel

then the first iphone came out it could mot even pic message, something any free flip phone of the time could do

ifolk said they didnt need it

when apple put it in they thought it was better then sliced bread and couldnt wait to show thier friends the new invention of apple.

if its not on the iphone it does not exist, no matter how long other phpnes have had it, in the eyes of the kool aid drinkers for apple

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Sorry but I disagree...

Most people assume like you do without understanding the dymanics.  I have been in the IT field for years, and I understand why iPhones are so popular, and why you think these people are cheap.  Apple started simple before adding features.  This trained people to be a bit more tech savvy without overwhelming the user.  Those people get confortable, and then a new feature happen viola less to learn and it does more than before.  Apple does the K.I.S.S. better than anyone on the market.

It has nothing to do with "sheep" and koolaid...  Apple doesn't target our demographic, and that's something YOU need to understand.  I like Android as much as the next guy, but a lot of things in Apple is so simply my grandmother could figure it out faster than trying to figure out other devices which Apple had planned from the beginning.

People already considered LTE as an essential feature that are tech savvy.  If you looked at the normal people out there(Yes they are out there).  They have no clue what LTE is, and couldn't care less how fast it downloads...  They just expect it to work.  Since out of the box iPhones have a better track record than 85% of the devices out there with LTE(Apple doesn't put in tech like this on the infancy) Then iPhones will sell well.  Look at all the "iSheep" complain about it not being LTE and not being an iPhone 5...  They'll see the complaints about the Thunderbolt, Charge, Bionic, and possibly where do you think they'll go...  WP7 devices still don't have LTE as well.  Most don't like Microsoft just by name.  MS has left a bad taste in my mouth for the past 3 winmo devices, and I can't believe I would try them again(but I don't have a choice work related).

I have an unlimited text plan...  in the past 6 years I have probably sent 4 or 5 picture messages...  So if I had an iPhone or a  flip phone that didn't... It wouldn't bother me... Most people are like me... 

Remember something it's best to KEEP IT SIMPLE ST*PID especially when dealing with the baby boomer generation...  

[mdram4x4]

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Tidbits wrote:

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mdram4x4 wrote:

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silver6055 wrote:

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mdram4x4 wrote

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i agree that not everyone buys an iphone because its an iphone, but i bet half the people do

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When an iPhone comes out with LTE, I would expect it to be snapped up because it suddenly becomes an essential feature and in the minds of many it will be something invented by Apple.

But a little less cynically, yes, get the phone with the set of features that suits what (you think are)  your needs best, you may need to compromise if one phone doesn't have them all.

Ideally though, once you get the phone, try to remember that the fact that you chose it doesn't mean a) it is the best phone for everyone, and even b) it may not really have been the best phone for you (but that is hard to know unless you buy multiple phones).  Your choice of phone shouldn't really define much about you, there are much more important things, such as which breakfast cereal is the One True Cereal

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what i highlighted is how many ifolk feel

then the first iphone came out it could mot even pic message, something any free flip phone of the time could do

ifolk said they didnt need it

when apple put it in they thought it was better then sliced bread and couldnt wait to show thier friends the new invention of apple.

if its not on the iphone it does not exist, no matter how long other phpnes have had it, in the eyes of the kool aid drinkers for apple

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Sorry but I disagree...

Most people assume like you do without understanding the dymanics.  I have been in the IT field for years, and I understand why iPhones are so popular, and why you think these people are cheap.  Apple started simple before adding features.  This trained people to be a bit more tech savvy without overwhelming the user.  Those people get confortable, and then a new feature happen viola less to learn and it does more than before.  Apple does the K.I.S.S. better than anyone on the market.

It has nothing to do with "sheep" and koolaid...  Apple doesn't target our demographic, and that's something YOU need to understand.  I like Android as much as the next guy, but a lot of things in Apple is so simply my grandmother could figure it out faster than trying to figure out other devices which Apple had planned from the beginning.

People already considered LTE as an essential feature that are tech savvy.  If you looked at the normal people out there(Yes they are out there).  They have no clue what LTE is, and couldn't care less how fast it downloads...  They just expect it to work.  Since out of the box iPhones have a better track record than 85% of the devices out there with LTE(Apple doesn't put in tech like this on the infancy) Then iPhones will sell well.  Look at all the "iSheep" complain about it not being LTE and not being an iPhone 5...  They'll see the complaints about the Thunderbolt, Charge, Bionic, and possibly where do you think they'll go...  WP7 devices still don't have LTE as well.  Most don't like Microsoft just by name.  MS has left a bad taste in my mouth for the past 3 winmo devices, and I can't believe I would try them again(but I don't have a choice work related).

I have an unlimited text plan...  in the past 6 years I have probably sent 4 or 5 picture messages...  So if I had an iPhone or a  flip phone that didn't... It wouldn't bother me... Most people are like me... 

Remember something it's best to KEEP IT SIMPLE ST*PID especially when dealing with the baby boomer generation...  

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i dont quite agree everything you said.

i beleive its more like Assume Your Users Are St*pid is apples motto

my firsts smartphones were windows 6/6.1, i got used to being able to chage the home screen layouts, add widgets on custom launchers ect

l like being able to manually copy my music from various locations.

i dont like a peice of software, more like a virus, that takes over my media.

i dont like proprietary media formats

i like having access to flash is i want it

i like being able to side load apps without violating my warranty

i like having multple markets to get things, its all about choices

[tjmack99]

It has nothing to do with being smart, stupid, or a follower, or anything else.

The iPhone does a certain number of thing REALLY well. It doesn't do everything. That's the whole point!

I personally don't have the time or the inclination to be the guinnea pig for every new feature or technology. Many do. I  don't.

But I know that whatever new feature or technology ends up on an iPhone, it will work! 

That's what will make me choose an Apple product every time.  

[silver6055]

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tjmack99 wrote:

It has nothing to do with being smart, stupid, or a follower, or anything else.

The iPhone does a certain number of thing REALLY well. It doesn't do everything. That's the whole point!

I personally don't have the time or the inclination to be the guinnea pig for every new feature or technology. Many do. I  don't.

But I know that whatever new feature or technology ends up on an iPhone, it will work! 

That's what will make me choose an Apple product every time. 

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And that is certainly an understandable position.  (Perhaps a little strong, there are of course pages of bug reports for the iPhone on these forums, but that is true of every phone).

The only downside is that you might miss out, at first, on some great technology that comes to other platforms before being stolen/improved/adopted (choose) for the iPhone.  For some, for example, LTE is such a technology, for others who did buy LTE phones, they now feel like the guinea pig you mention!

But the real problem I think is the "cult" behavior on all sides.  Many Android lovers just "know" that the iPhone sucks and is for demented iSheep followers who couldn't have an independent thought if it etc etc, whereas iPhone users equally know that Android phones need to have their battery pulled every few minutes (which is a few minutes before the battery dies anyway), have an almost unusable interface, an app store filled with malware apps etc etc.     And the great thing is you can know this without ever using the phone in question.

This rant was set off by tjmack99's line:  That's what will make me choose an Apple product every time

Things can change: (e.g. people used to buy GM cars because they were the best in the world and the Japanese knew nothing about automotive manufacturing.  )   So, next time you buy a new phone at least take a look outside your comfort zone to see what is out there.  Probably you will still go with your original choice, but at least you got some exposure!

[21stNow]

This thread has been thoroughly entertaining.  I'm not going to pick a side in the iPhone vs. Android argument, as I'm a known fence-straddler on this issue.  I do agree with the sentiment that many posters have expressed in that one phone can be a great phone for you, while a different phone can be a great phone for me.  That's why I like choices!