You are right BOTB. Thanks for Jarring my memory. So I guess that we will all be happy next Wednesday with iOS5. Thanks for the reminder on that 
Yaeckman wrote:You are right BOTB. Thanks for Jarring my memory. So I guess that we will all be happy next Wednesday with iOS5. Thanks for the reminder on that
Well...it remains to be seen if we'll all be happy lol...I anticipate complaints galore about bugs when iOS 5 drops. It happens with every iOS update without fail...anyone that frequents the Apple forums know this all too well. Hopefully, the bugs will be small and the joy of having the new iOS 5 will overshadow it. We'll know soon enough!
Geez... Kaebfly, you have got to be the most understanding person on the planet in regards to corporate behavior and their sometimes lack of concern for their customers (perceived or otherwise). My problem with iOS 4.3 has to do with the simple fact that nothing was said as to why, one way or another. My problem with the iCloud beta (and the Verizon snub there) was that nothing was said as to why one way or the other. And that's also why I won't believe iOS 5 for the Verizon iPhone 4 until I see it... BECAUSE once again nothing has been officially stated one way or another. You're right, Apple stated that the GSM iPhone would get these things, but offered no explanation as to why Verizon was left out. So I'm skeptical.
I'm the customer. And I'm entitled to complain if I feel I've been I've been slighted in any way. If nobody complained then corporations would walk all over you... and lately corporations have been doing a lot of that! So yep... even if some people think these sorts of complaints are unfounded, it's my right to either migrate to someone else or complain as loud and as often as I want. It keeps the corporations on their toes (and honest) and ultimately makes for better products and/or customer/corporate relations. So lighten up.... And complain once in a while yourself! I can't believe that your 100% satisfied all of the time. 
P.S. And I know that Verizon likely has no control over anything that Apple does... but once again, nothing was said by either company in this regard either. It's like we're always at their mercy!
P.P.S. And debacle was what it was... to me anyway. Might be a bit strong in this case, but I'm sure I'm not alone and there's been people on this forum (and Apple's) who've used a lot stronger words than that one!)
P.P.P.S I still will bet that AT&T while won't physically rebrand the iPhone 4S, will sell it as having 4G speeds on their network.
P.P.P.P.S All mute... we'll know tomorrow.
And finally... no offense... I like a good debate and you definitely rate as a good debater! Makes the forums interesting!
dbbrass wrote:Geez... Kaebfly, you have got to be the most understanding person on the planet in regards to corporate behavior and their sometimes lack of concern for their customers (perceived or otherwise). My problem with iOS 4.3 has to do with the simple fact that nothing was said as to why, one way or another. My problem with the iCloud beta (and the Verizon snub there) was that nothing was said as to why one way or the other. And that's also why I won't believe iOS 5 for the Verizon iPhone 4 until I see it... BECAUSE once again nothing has been officially stated one way or another. You're right, Apple stated that the GSM iPhone would get these things, but offered no explanation as to why Verizon was left out. So I'm skeptical.
Sorry but it's OBVIOUS, and people don't want to see it. I guess Apple thought their customers were smart to see the obvious. It's the SAME with the iPads when they first came out. It corrected itself on the next major release. Which will be 5.0. There was no debacle what so ever. by definition a debacle means they messed something up. Since this IS intentional it can't be a debacle...
Also if you were part of the developers program as I pointed out to you long ago Verizon iPhones could use iCloud... So they weren't snubbed at all.
I'm the customer. And I'm entitled to complain if I feel I've been I've been slighted in any way. If nobody complained then corporations would walk all over you... and lately corporations have been doing a lot of that! So yep... even if some people think these sorts of complaints are unfounded, it's my right to either migrate to someone else or complain as loud and as often as I want. It keeps the corporations on their toes (and honest) and ultimately makes for better products and/or customer/corporate relations. So lighten up.... And complain once in a while yourself! I can't believe that your 100% satisfied all of the time.
Sure, and they are entitled themselves to release what they want to release when they want to release it. Actually they will walk over you regardless if you complain or not as long as people continue to buy their products. Just look at Motorola people made facebook pages complaining about the Cliq, CliqXT, and about locked bootloaders on their Android devices yet they still sell millions of units world wide... So is it working? Not buying products and telling your friends not to buy said product with something they actually care about will do more than complaining about it in a public forum.
P.S. And I know that Verizon likely has no control over anything that Apple does... but once again, nothing was said by either company in this regard either. It's like we're always at their mercy!
P.S. You already got your info months ago I told you... I am part of the developers program as I told you before.
P.P.S. And debacle was what it was... to me anyway. Might be a bit strong in this case, but I'm sure I'm not alone and there's been people on this forum (and Apple's) who've used a lot stronger words than that one!)
P.P.S. It's NOT a debacle. It doesn't even fit the definition.
P.P.P.S I still will bet that AT&T while won't physically rebrand the iPhone 4S, will sell it as having 4G speeds on their network.
P.P.P.S Of course they will... People keep saying 4G isn't real 4G, but haven't gotten the memo... 4G was reclassified months ago by the standards committee. It stands for GENERATION and not based on actually speeds. It has to be at least their 4th GENERATION network and must have greater speeds than their 3rd generation.
P.P.P.P.S All mute... we'll know tomorrow.
P.P.P.P.S It won't happen at midnight. It will be released when Cupertino opens(PST) which is 9 am I believe.
And finally... no offense... I like a good debate and you definitely rate as a good debater! Makes the forums interesting!
and I told you so lol