Google WiFi Mesh & Verizon Fios Issue

[NickB2005]

Let me start this off by saying that I have been using this setup for almost 2 years now without issue. I have Verizon Fios gigabit service with a Fios Quantum Gateway router. I also have the Google WiFi mesh system with 3 access points total. I have the main AP connected to the port 1 on my Fios router. I also have the ONT out of the wall going to my WAN port and then have the coax cable. 

So, again, I haven't had ANY issues for the past 2 years up until 5 days ago. Fios must've been putting out an update because my fios one box was blinking green and seemed stuck on the update. After talking with fios early that next morning it went back to white, but the other box I have is still blinking green (who knows why, but TV works, DVR works, etc). That's when all my issues started with the internet. 

After talking to Fios for 4 days them trying to do all these troubleshooting issues and saying it's fixed and then it's actually not is quite annoying. The internet issue I am facing is spotty internet where it'll be fine for hours and then drop for a minute or two and then come back, but when you work from home internet is very important. 

Yesterday, I decided after Fios says everything was good on their side to contact Google WiFi support. The guy was very helpful and said the issue from the logs he can see that I am facing is I am having a double NAT or multiple networks. Your Google Wifi signal channels and the WiFi from Verizon is interfering reason why your network is dropping. 

He asked me to contact Verizon and have them walk me through how to my Fios router in bridge mode, which they did no issue took a few minutes. I thought I was good the fios router globe was red (I assumed this was due to bridge mode) and then the wifi symbol below was lit up and white. Thought I was good because I have all my devices (10 of them currently) connected to my google WiFi setup. 

Well... it did not go well and my internet was going offline constantly over a 5 hour span once this new setup was complete. Google support had no clue what the issue was, Fios says they had no clue either so I had to reset (hit the button on the back) my router and it went back to normal, no bridge mode, etc. 

Everything is back up and running, but the internet is still spotty like my guess is there is still interference between the two which causes the WiFi to drop for a bit and come back. I don't know how to fix this or what I should do. I could completely get rid of the google system, but I have it actually so I can get wifi in places of my house where fios couldn't reach including my ring cameras outside my garage.

What's weird is I check my speeds via the google wifi system and I get 653 average download and 786 average upload, which seems awesome, right? I downloaded the speedtest app and ran it over my wifi when connected to google and then ran it over LTE today and over WiFi I got 41.8 download and 38.2 upload and then over LTE I got 108 download and 4.90 upload....I don't know why the numbers are so off or why my internet has been tanking all of a sudden after being good for 2 years. 

Anyone have any ideas, advice, I am 100% open to anything at this point. Sorry for the long post and thanks in advance! 

[Edg1]

Did you try turning off the wifi in the G1100? If off the wifi light will also be off. 

[NickB2005]

I did not try that. I am back to original settings now and not in bridge mode. Honestly, I’m tempted to throw this google WiFi system in the trash for giving me all these headaches over the last 5 days. 

how would I do what you suggest and what’s the benefit of it? 

[Edg1]

You mentioned in your first post about channel interference. If Google and the Verizon router are on the same wifi channel they will interfere with each other. 
Login to the Verizon router and go to the wireless settings and disable the 2.4/5 GHz radios. Without looking I believe it’s under Basic settings. 

[NickB2005]

Wouldn’t this basically put it into bridge mode? That’s what I unchecked the first time and then the globe went red but the WiFi signal was still there. 

talked to fios again tonight and they suggested I buy or rent the new g3100 router and said that should fix my issues. I found one brand new on eBay for $245. They want $300 from Verizon. 

[Edg1]

No. Turning off wifi is just disabling the radio. You should always disable the Verizon router wifi if you are using a mesh network. If both routers are using the same channel that close to each other they will be interference. 
The white wifi light should be off when it’s disabled. 
Bridge mode would be disabling the DHCP server in the Verizon router. Then changing it’s IP address from 192.168.1.1 to something in the Google’s subnet range. 
A double NAT is not an ideal situation but won’t necessarily cause your wifi to drop. When you notice your wifi drop are you able to hardwire a laptop to one of the LAN ports? This way you can tell whether your internet connection is dropping of it’s a wifi issue. 

[NickB2005]

I don’t have anything that I’m able to hard wire with an Ethernet port. My wife and I use MacBook pros and don’t have an adapter to run Ethernet. Everything else we have is also Apple and doesn’t have a port. I wish I did, but it’s so quick when it happens it’s only down for 1-2 minutes before popping back up, which is why I think it’s interface. 

I guess I could try disabling the WiFi on the fios side of things. I haven’t tried that yet. 

[NickB2005]

Disabled WiFi on the g1100 and the google WiFi seems to be running faster and better. Only thing is I realized I can’t connect WiFi to my fios one tv boxes now. Luckily 2 out of the 3 run on coax and are fine. The last one is downstairs and I barely use it so I guess not a huge issue. Let’s see how this new approach goes today. 

[Edg1]

I saw on another post that someone has a wifi box working with their own router by going into the diagnostics. 

To get in the screen turn the mini off by the button on top. As soon as you turn it off hit the OK button on the remote. It might take a few times. Once in a white screen will come up. Hit the back button and go to option 4 which is Network Configuration. In there you can supposedly manually connect it to a different wifi network. 

[NickB2005 · Accepted solution]

Incredibly helpful! Thank you I’ll try it. 

update: day 1 of having WiFi turned off on g1100 and running it solely off my google WiFi was amazing. Really fast speeds all day, no drop offs throughout the day. Hoping this solved the issue. Not sure why Verizon or google support didn’t suggest this in the first place. 

[Edg1]

Yeah I’m not sure either. You never want to wifi access points in that close proximity. Glad to hear that it’s working. 

[Arch666]

Turning off the Wifi Radio (2.4 Ghz and 5.0 Ghz) alone didnt help my case. Spoke to Verizon tech that helped me to go DMZ way to place my Google Router outside the firewall. After restarting both router/Modem/Google Nest multiple times (as instructed by Verizon tech), I still have double NAT. The last option is to disable 'Private IP' of my Verizon router and make it 'Public'. Does anyone know how to do this? Please help.

[G617]

I'm also watching this, I recently installed FiOS and added Google WiFi, shut off the FiOS radios and it seemed great for a few days , this morning I had channel interference. I changed the Google WiFi to the ISP IP and lowered the firewall/security settings on FiOS. Seems like things are back, but not fully convinced.. 

[DTfam]

So i am having the exact same issues with Verizon and google wifi.  I have G3100 router and can’t get the speeds.  You have different router so not sure what I should do.

[Cang_Household]

Can you elaborate your problem?

G3100 should deliver around 650Mbps+ on 802.11ax WiFi 6. G3100's 5GHz range drops significantly by distance due to the nature of 5GHz band. Google Nest is only 802.11ac WiFi 5, can deliver around 300Mbps+ I guess.

Since you want speed and coverage, I recommend the E3200.

[Ckgone]

I think I just started experiencing this issue; but I am not 100% clear on how to turn off the fios router to only use the google mesh router? 

Currently Verizon is just suggesting I buy/upgrade to the newer router, but this seems like a better solution if I can figure it out. 

thanks!

[Cang_Household]

Can you elaborate your issue too?

With Google Nest, you can't get over 300-400Mbps. I believe Google Nest is WiFi 5 802.11ac, while Verizon E3200 is WiFi 6 802.11ax.

E3200 is meshable with G3100. If you want 600Mbps+ on WiFi and still want a wireless-backhauled solution, I recommend G3100 and E3200.

[Dee1130]

Do you disable the 2.6G and 5G radio  , I had the same problem but after I disabled the 2.6 the mesh wouldn’t connect. Was on the phone with google for over 2 hours disabled both radios and lowered firewall and google mesh still wouldn’t connect now google is telling me to call Fios after they told me about the bridge and I said I heard that doesn’t work.  I had the google mesh working with Fios but wanted to stop the Fios routing. Now I don’t have the google mesh at all. 

[Katypiz1]

I’m ready to scream. I have the same problem ( I think) been on the phone with Verizon and Google several times each one blames the other. My internet was fine for a few months now it keeps losing connectivity. My husband and I work from home so this is really a problem. I have google mesh 3 access points and Verizon modem not sure model. I think its Nokia G-211M-C. I also wonder if this spliced wire is an issue that Verizon tech did. See the black tape?

[ds551]

thanks to all for this helpful thread! @nickb2005, did you ever try the solution for the wifi cable box as well? curious if it worked before i make the switch