Using my own router, keeping FIOS TV working, stopping renting FIOS modem
cameronjones
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My apologies in advance, because I'm sure this question is answered somewhere on these forums, but I've been looking around for 2 days and have even been pointed to the supposed gold standard guide of how to do it, but I still don't have the answer.  The key is, how to get rid of the FIOS modem rental fee but keep TV working.  The post I was pointed to said this:

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If you don't want to pay the rental fee for the Verizon router, you can purchase a standalone MoCA adapter such as this Aciontec one: http://a.co/0AUXdWo (Or optionally, you can find some cheap used Verizon Aciontec routers on ebay).

 

  • Simply connect the Coax cable from your old Verizon router to the MoCA adapter, and then connect an ethernet cable between a LAN port on your router to the MoCA adapter's ethernet port. Reboot the set top boxes after the MoCA adapter has been connected and ensure they function as intended."

But, as you can see (I think?) - that doesn't describe getting rid of the modem, amazingly.  Now maybe I'm just reading it wrong, but "your old Verizon router" is the modem/router you're renting, right?  So that process doesn't eliminate the modem.  Now, the idea of buying a used one on ebay hadn't occurred to me, so that's definitely interesting.  If I was to buy a used FIOS modem, would I then just plug it into power and coax anywhere in the house?  Or does it need to be plugged only into ethernet and power?  The verizon ONT actually doesn't wire into the household coax network, only directly through the brick by the TV, so does the purchased FIOS modem need to live there specifically, plugged into the coax from the ONT?

Thanks for any help!

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Edg1
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Yes the Verizon router you are renting is what you will be replacing. What you do is take the ethernet WAN cable out of your Verizon router and that will plug that into the WAN port of your newly purchased router. Once you do this the FiOS TV set-top boxes will loose the Guide/On Demand because that can’t get internet access without coax. That why a MoCA adapter is needed. Once your nee router is up an running connect ethernet from the LAN port to the MOCA adapter ethernet port and the coax that was connected to the Verizon router will now connect to the MoCA adapter coax port. Reboot your set-top boxes and then will get an IP address from your router. The you can send back that Verizon router and get rid of rental fee. 

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Edg1
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Yes the Verizon router you are renting is what you will be replacing. What you do is take the ethernet WAN cable out of your Verizon router and that will plug that into the WAN port of your newly purchased router. Once you do this the FiOS TV set-top boxes will loose the Guide/On Demand because that can’t get internet access without coax. That why a MoCA adapter is needed. Once your nee router is up an running connect ethernet from the LAN port to the MOCA adapter ethernet port and the coax that was connected to the Verizon router will now connect to the MoCA adapter coax port. Reboot your set-top boxes and then will get an IP address from your router. The you can send back that Verizon router and get rid of rental fee. 

cameronjones
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OK, I think i get it now - I had to read it 10x because I was thinking you were talking about buying a used FIOS modem AND a MOCA adapter.  But you're not talking about buying an old FIOS modem at all.  

Moca adapters are pretty expensive - looking like $60 for "Motorola MOCA Adapter for Ethernet Over Coax, 1,000 Mbps Bonded 2.0 MoCA (Model MM1000)" on Amazon, while an old Actiontec FIOS modem would only run like $20.  Would the old used FIOS modem do the job as well?  Or is it just smarter to go with the MoCA adapter?  Thanks!

https://forums.verizon.com/t5/Fios-Internet/Using-my-own-router-keeping-FIOS-TV-working-stopping-ren...

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Edg1
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@Cameronjpu wrote:

OK, I think i get it now - I had to read it 10x because I was thinking you were talking about buying a used FIOS modem AND a MOCA adapter.  But you're not talking about buying an old FIOS modem at all.  

Moca adapters are pretty expensive - looking like $60 for "Motorola MOCA Adapter for Ethernet Over Coax, 1,000 Mbps Bonded 2.0 MoCA (Model MM1000)" on Amazon, while an old Actiontec FIOS modem would only run like $20.  Would the old used FIOS modem do the job as well?  Or is it just smarter to go with the MoCA adapter?  Thanks!

https://forums.verizon.com/t5/Fios-Internet/Using-my-own-router-keeping-FIOS-TV-working-stopping-ren...


I just assumed you meant you were getting your own router. But if you buy a Verizon one then you don't need the MoCA adapter. 

Like other poster said you can also configure a Verizon router to work as a MoCA adapter  as well.

cameronjones
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Sorry I've been mixing my terminology.  I'll try to use modem only when referring to the fios modem/router, and router when referring to my google wifi router.

So yes, I am hoping to replace my old, rented FIOS modem with a used, owned (red trim model) FIOS modem, just to keep the guide data working.

I have only 1 cable box, and it's not the new FIOS One model.  Not sure the model because I'm not at home right now, if it does still matter I can check, but it sounds like it only mattered if it was a Fios One box.


The other poster said "you will need to Google on home to configure it" but i'm not following what that means. 

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CRobGauth
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 Of sure if you are just using that term for differentiation or technical.

Verizon does not use modems. Their devices are pure router. They just happen to have a moca interface as well.

Sorry for the auto correct. Meant to type Google on how to configure the router you bought as a moca adapter.

Ska10
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Forgive me if I’m hijacking this, I feel I have a fairly similar question. 

I currently have fios internet only with my google Wifi connected directly to the ONT via Ethernet. I’m adding fios TV in the coming weeks. I would like to avoid renting a fios router. If I purchase a MoCA adapter (link below), can I avoid the fios router?

thanks

Actiontec Bonded MoCA 2.0 Ethernet to Coax Adapter (ECB6200S02) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B013J7OBUU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_2WBVCb5NE37XX

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CRobGauth
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If you are going to use FiOS stbs, you will need FiOS router to activate them.

And if you are getting new FiOS one hardware, you can only use FiOS routers to support wireless connectivity for stb.

You will need to know how to configure router per the thread that mentions how to use your own router with FiOS stb.

BosYinzer
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Very helpful -- I was wondering if the FiOS One STB only worked with Verizon router.  We have FiOS One and the basement TV is connected wirelessly, but the Verizon modem is about 3 walls away so signal was terrible.  Verizon technician who installed suggested getting Google Wifi, which I did.  Standing next to the STB and TV, my phone is picking up about 250 MB/s per Google Wifi app, but the TV itself is getting aout 25MB and the STB isn't even showing up as connected to the Google Wifi.  Sounds like I need to move the the Verizon router (and probably the puck) closer to the TV and STB, or get a long ethernet cord to connect them.


@CRobGauth wrote:

If you are going to use FiOS stbs, you will need FiOS router to activate them.

And if you are getting new FiOS one hardware, you can only use FiOS routers to support wireless connectivity for stb.

You will need to know how to configure router per the thread that mentions how to use your own router with FiOS stb.


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ps6fsu
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I am trying to lose the router as well so this whole thread was very helpful.  I have FIOS tv service and noticed that my VOD and guide were not working with the coax disconnected from the Verizion router.  What I do not understand is how the STBs are communicating with the router at all.  I have an ONT with coax going to a splitter and ethernet going to WAN port of router.  The coax coming from the ONT goes to the IN port of my splitter and then is split into 2 connections... 1) to the router and 2) to the rest of the STBs (via another splitter).  So there is no connection between STBs and router so how does this affect VOD and guide?

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CRobGauth
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STBs communicate via MOCA.
That is, they talk to rotuer via coax.

So if you want to use your own router, you will need to either purchase a moca adapter or turn your FIOS router into a bridge.

It is best to read the thread in this forum on using your own router to ensure you get all of the proper settings needed to ensure full operation of your STB.

MudSlideSlim
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I have three TV's on my system.  How many Moca Adapters do I need?

I have Gigabit FiOS, if that makes a difference.

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Edg1
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@MudSlideSlim wrote:

I have three TV's on my system.  How many Moca Adapters do I need?

I have Gigabit FiOS, if that makes a difference.


Just one. It will take the place of the Verizon router. Take the ethernet WAN cable from VZ router and connect it to your router's WAN. Verify that you can connect to the internet with the new router.

Next take the coax from the VZ router and connect it to the MoCA adapter. Then connect one of your LAN ports to the MoCA adapter. Reboot your STBs and once they boot up your IMG/VOD should be working.

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c5bill
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Although I haven't actually returned the G1100 router, I found the easiest way to replace it is to use an Actiontec MI42WR Rev I (gigabit ports) with WiFi disabled and then add your own AC1900 (or better) access point. Everything works fine but you loose some of the functionlity provied by the Fios app for router management and speed testing.

CRobGauth
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Yes you can use an old router as a mica adapter.

you will need to Google on home to configure it.

What model stbs domyou have?

If you have the new FiOS one hardware, you can't use the remotes via WiFi on anything other than FiOS router.