4K / UHD - when is it coming to Fios?

Remember you are talking to peers here. Verizon is unlikely to ever answer even if they are actively planning something for 4k/UHD.

Currently there are almost no regularly broadcast or cable channels doing 4k althouch their has been some testing using ATSC 3.0 and some stations such as WRAL are active . Their are however some services Such as Amazon, Neflix, etc that offer some 4k channels. Much of the ATSC 3.0 protocols are approved and among many other things it supports UHD.

I don't expec much to happen until such programming becomes more common and ATSC 3.0 is finished.

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Remember you are talking to peers here. Verizon is unlikely to ever answer even if they are actively planning something for 4k/UHD.

I don't expec much to happen until such programming becomes more common and ATSC 3.0 is finished.

Remember when we were all waiting for all of the 3d content?

And there are still a number of SD channels out there.

slick161

Got it. Just wonderning if I was missing something... All the 4K TV's being sold and not much to play on them. Thanks!

optivity

IMO digital TV manufactuters release new technologies to keep buyers "buying" technology there is no content available to make use of.

CableCard 2.0 spec., 3D TV and now UHD are prime examples.

Not only do BIG Screen makers: Sony, LG, Samsung, Panasonic, etc., want you to buy their 4K products; if you have an older AVR you need to buy one of those too in order to support the newer HDMI spec's for 4K video.

It's a never ending cycle. Content providers & ISPs finished upgrading their infrastructures to support 1080p within the last decade and given their desire to recoup that investment I doubt you'll see any native UHD content on Cable TV anytime soon. Probably another 10 years at least and by then you'll be seeing Super Duper UHD being touted as the next best thing.

Netflix recommends 25 Mbps to stream UHD content and I (?) just how many of those connections Verizon will really support.

Tonig229

i dont think fios could do 4k if they could they would already saying coming soon but i guess not im thinking to switch provider either Comcast or directv I'm thinking directv got more 4k programming Verizon 4k is now not later

I didn't think that any channel provider has 4k content.

Only think might be on demand.

Does Comcast or DirecTV have 4k boxes?

smith6612

Hopefully with Verizon's rumored move to IPTV (essentially streaming TV), they will be able to roll 4K and beyond without having to wait for ATSC standards changes, or dealing with a limited 860Mhz QAM space put out by the ONT onto the in-house coax. IP will allow them flexibility to swap Codecs, Bitrates, and up the bitrates. It'll take a lot of engineering to do so.

Other posters explained the issue well. There's a lot of technology limitations.

Unfortunately their existing STB cannot output the necessary Video signals. So we are waiting for an upgrade. Possibly to something that supports ATSC 3.0. If I were them I wouldn't try to support anything until ATSC 3.0 is finished.

Note that I do see Arris has at least one UHD ip box. that might eventually lead to a model for FIOS.

alx33

I read an article from April 2016 claiming that Verizon would roll out a new service using an IP-based technology. I think they will need to do this, and quickly if they want to stay competitive since 4K Tvs have so quickly become ubiquitous and there has been such an increase in content that can be accessed from streaming services such as Netflix, Amazon, Fandango, etc... Personally I have found that my wife and I will go to Fandango to rent a 4K movie on the weekend now, where previously we would search the FIOS on demand premium channels for a movie to watch.

So it sounds like the only 4k content is od?

Why would Verizon invest if the infrastructure given there isn't any linear channel content in 4k?

Let the streaming channels bear the burden for now.

gasbag1

I have a few questions after reading the previous posts, the first of which is what makes you think Video over IP isn't already here? I've had as much as 30 secs. of latency watching the same program in two rooms with Quantum. As for 4k, Verizon is banking on what the set-makers are banking on, H.265 to the set/STB/cell phone. That way _ever'body_ can claim 4k, putting the U in UHD. It's been a few years since we've been asked to change boxes, wouldn't a new compression scheme for the yummy new displays be enough of an excuse?

Less is more. And cheaper to distribute.

Main video service took VMS is qam video.

IP is used to feed from VMS to ipcs.

I've never seen that level of latency.

Usually just a couple of seconds.

Why would Verizon pay for new box development when the content isn't there?

And the number of sets aren't there.

Remember when 3d was all the rage?

That content never took off.

There are still a large number of SD boxes still out there.

JP_05

If the 4K broadcast issues are understood ie: network TV does not yet offer 4K programming, there wouldn't be as much push on Verizon to offer this feature.

The issue now is related to the fact that THEY'RE offering a link to Netflix from the Guide, Menu and or Widgets. THERE is no way to select a Netflix 4K broadcast. THEIR offerings are many and growing. This is a paid for feature with no way to access via Verizon's remote control or apps. Thinking out of the box idea may be a way to bypass THIER STB when Netflix is selected and get to the TV like you would via Smart TV, DVD, Play Station etc remote controls.

@JP_05 wrote:
If the 4K broadcast issues are understood ie: network TV does not yet offer 4K programming, there wouldn't be as much push on Verizon to offer this feature.
The issue now is related to the fact that THEY'RE offering a link to Netflix from the Guide, Menu and or Widgets. THERE is no way to select a Netflix 4K broadcast. THEIR offerings are many and growing. This is a paid for feature with no way to access via Verizon's remote control or apps. Thinking out of the box idea may be a way to bypass THIER STB when Netflix is selected and get to the TV like you would via Smart TV, DVD, Play Station etc remote controls.

Since Netflix is subscriber based, you select the 4K feature for Netflix. Fios is not paying for Netflix you are.

on my Roku or Apple TV I have Netflix and it runs I believe $12.99 a month for viewing in UHD/4K additionally my 4K televisions have Netflix and when I login the view is under the 4K so it’s up to you to go into your Netflix settings and up your plan.

Fios just gives the channel selector for your own paid Netflix subscription.

JP_05

Thanks JJ... You missed both points.

1) I have Netflix 4K service and have enjoyed it over the last 2 years. Verizon is now offering a link to Netflix. This is to be a convenience but does not allow access to 4K for the started and understood reasons. Anyone wanting 4K viewing CANNOT use the VZ access to Netflix. Therefore 2 remote controls are now back in play.

2) THERE is a difference in the words that sound like .. oh never mind... Thanks for the reply

But you know what JJ ...

Your words. ....and when I login the view is under the 4K so it’s up to you to go into your Netflix settings and up your plan. My response: (Does not make sense... ) When you log into Netflix you have options for both 4K and non-4K if you subscribe to 4K.

Your words ....Fios just gives the channel selector for your own paid Netflix subscription. My response: AND MY POINT...my paid Netflix subscription includes 4K.

Anyway.... I am hopeful that VZ will update THEIR box to provide 4K so that customers will be able to use more of the VZ offerings without having to use a potential competitors product. Thereby strengthening THEIR position.

AJ112

Dish, DirecTV, Xfinity, all offer 4K content.

FIOS with a fiber optic wire plugged into my home does not?

May be is time to switch...

https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/27/15075206/verizon-4k-streams-fios-tv-trial-ses

@AJ11 wrote:
Dish, DirecTV, Xfinity, all offer 4K content.
FIOS with a fiber optic wire plugged into my home does not?
May be is time to switch...

Or you can find cable “just around the corner that way” ☃️

@jonjones wrote:
@AJ11 wrote:
Dish, DirecTV, Xfinity, all offer 4K content.
FIOS with a fiber optic wire plugged into my home does not?
May be is time to switch...
https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/27/15075206/verizon-4k-streams-fios-tv-trial-ses
Or you can find cable “just around the corner that way” ☃️

Regretabbly they ended that trial and are rethinking what they want to do. They are apparently not thinking they will roll out that service.

Thank you for the update. 🎄

JP_05

TNS2 - Is there a link to the story indicating that the study is over reflecting their thoughts as you indicate? Similar to JJs recent post. I would like to follow up... And may need a reference.

Merry Christmas 🎄

pturner

Cable channels are now offering 4K UHD. ie NBC Sports Premier League soccer broadcasts. Therefore is Verizon FIOS not providing this pass through signal. I have a Quatum router and top level STB media center and 4K UHD TV. If I'm not getting this service I feel like I'm being duped by Verizon.

@pturnerwrote:
Cable channels are now offering 4K UHD. ie NBC Sports Premier League soccer broadcasts. Therefore is Verizon FIOS not providing this pass through signal. I have a Quatum router and top level STB media center and 4K UHD TV. If I'm not getting this service I feel like I'm being duped by Verizon.

You cannot be duped if Verizon Fios tv never said they offer 4K UHD.

the service was spelled out on the day you accepted the service.

glennauve

I see directv and comcast are broadcasting the World Cup in 4K HDR. And apparently some Hisense TVs are also using the Fox Sports app somehow. Unfortunately it looks like this isn't available from Verizon

@glennauve wrote:
I see directv and comcast are broadcasting the World Cup in 4K HDR. And apparently some Hisense TVs are also using the Fox Sports app somehow. Unfortunately it looks like this isn't available from Verizon

And as it has been said many times in this thread and others, and Verizon never promised or posted that it would be in the present or future.

jreal1

Does Fios have 4k channels?

No.

Although some cable providers have 4k stbs, I don't think there are any linear channels broadcasting in 4k. Maybe some on demand.