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Novatel Wireless MiFi4510L stops every 30 minutes

I have a Novatel MiFi4510L in a 4G area. I have found that about every 30 minutes web/ftp traffic stops being transmitted, but Outlook can still send/receive email to an Exchange server.

I end up logging into the device, clicking disconnect, then clicking connect, and all works again for about 30 minutes.

I've had a support case open with Verizon for over 4 weeks now, and they have not called me once to troubleshoot. I've received a few calls that have said they found the issue and it should be working now - it wasn't though.

I am so frustrated I can't even begin to describe it. I can't believe they haven't contacted me to replace it, or at least try or check configuration settings!

--Kent

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jsz1

I have the same issue -- and even recorded it / posted to youtube. See: http://community.vzw.com/t5/4G-Discussion/4g-Network-HTTP-FTP-constantly-drops-out-after-30-minutes-of-use/td-p/556258

FYI - I swapped the device 3 times --- same issue with all devices.

JSZ

unknown

I apologize for the delay. I will PM and get some info from you so we can expedite the resolution for you.

deloswilbur

If you check that other thread you will see my post but don't get new device, it's not devices it's the 4G and it will keep happening. If you can return it and wait till they fix it or go with someone else, I don't see them fixing this anytime soon though.

kentiler

Yep - got my replacement device and the same thing is happening. This is crazy Verizon! The customer rep that was even helping me and supposedly was escalating this to a new tech support team just stopped responding to me as well.

It's been a real pain!

--Kent

MarMer

When my unit was doing this I was told to go to the Web-based user interface and set the Power setting to never turn off. It seems to have helped for a few days and then it started turning off from time to time, but not as often as before. Strangely, MS did it latest updates on my Windows system two days ago and the unit has not turned off since. We shall see. . . .

burlhall

Which windows operating system are you using? I am wanting to "upgrade" to MIFI4510L but concerned about the disconnects that many people have reported. I use Windows 7.

MarMer

I use Windows 7. Remarkably, it is doing great since that time. My grandkids were even able to watch a movie on my laptop when we took a 2 hour drive last weekend. It has shut down only once since then.. After reading this again my problem may have been different. My unit actually shut down - when to the amber light mode. Is yours only loosing connection?

wicamper

I have had the Novatel MiFi 4510L now for 4 days and it consitantly stops working after approx. 30 mins. also. Does anyone know if there is a solution to this issue? The device shows 4 bars and a green flashing light, but there is no Internet connection after about 30 min. If there is not a solution I want to return it before my 15 days are up. If anyone can offer a solution I would be glad to try it out.

Thanks

kentiler

No solution - not even an acknowledgement of the real problem!

--Kent

Farmer-Girl

Yep - I'm also suffering from this very frustrating problem! We're also experiencing both issues - there are times when I've got 4 bars, and an excellent connection to the 4510, but it won't connect to the internet. There are also times when the device just randomly shuts itself off. Since I work from home several days a week, this is NOT acceptable.

We've tried resetting the device manually. Last night I also navigated to the device on-line (one the rare, on-line times!), and "reset default settings." After that, I changed the power setting to never turn off.

Hubby is home using it today, with no problems so far.... but frankly, we're not hopeful. We live out in the country, and didn't expect 4G coverage - but our 3G was fairly reliable with our old Pantech aircard..... If this doesn't resolve soon, we'll be looking at satellite broadband...

PS - just ran spell check, and it wanted to switch "MiFi4510L" to "Mummified" - - - how appropriate is that??

wicamper

After working with Verizon phone tech support for 2 hours they told me that I must have a defective Novatel MIFI device that is causing the disconnects. So I exchanged it for a new one and I am having the exact same issues. There must be a problem with device that in needs a firmware upgrade or a problem with the Verizon 4G network because I am getting 4 bars of signal strength and when it works I get outstanding download speeds of 18+mbs. Does Verizon tech support on this forum know of any other solutions to this problem because the phone support from Verizon had not been helpful in resolving this issue?

kentiler

That is the same thing I was told. I've had the same issue with 2 Novatel devices and 1 Samsung. I'm going to be taking a different laptop tomorrow to work and having both up during the day and see if I can try to see any other correlation with the disconnects.

--Kent

ngarrett

I can confirm I experience this same issue on the same device. Restarting the device or disconnect/reconnect fixes it. The issue is not a loss of connection - anything that's currently connected remains connected (VPN, email, games, etc), but any NEW connections just hang.

Verizon, please look at this issue! It's a pretty big deal.

catero

Same problem. Talk to tech support yesterday. Very nice guy. Sent me to the store to get a new sim card and asked me to call him back today to see if it was fixed. It was not fixed. I called him and iIam now waiting for his call back.

WildcatCop

I have a MiFi 4510L and I have noticed that if there are other wireless devices in close proximity it will tend to disconnect on occasion. If there are no other wireless devices around it I have never lost a connection. It may me a coincidence but I thought I would pass it along for anyone that was interested.

WildcatCop

deloswilbur

I have had every 4G device Verizon sells, this problem is not the device and it's not the proximity of other wireless devices, it's the actual network and problem with routing that they are not able to fix. It has existed since the December launch of Verizon 4G. If you try doing some troubleshooting you will see that any packets with size to them (in other words anything other than a ping) will get lost in transit and take a very long time, bouncing many times. Most applications will then time out and fail. Any existing connections are fine (email, games, vpn's).

I do not see a fix coming anytime soon, I was actually told that emphasis now is on coverage expansion and there isn't resources available for hunting down this problem. It will have to wait until 4G is country wide and then they can focus on it.

So you can become like me and make you first thing after mornin coffee a google search for "verizon LTE class action" :smileyhappy:

unknown

wicamper Thanks for posting. In order to resolve your issue please PM me your mobile telephone number so I can research your account and get you an answer? Thanks.

ChristinaB_VZW

Hi Kentiler,

Since posting about taking a different laptop and testing the device, did you experience the same issue with the disconnect of the Mifi? I have checked my references and I am not showing that there is a known issue. Please supply us with any and all details of your findings.

Thank you very much!

kentiler

Yes. I called support on Friday, and they had me come into the local office and replace the SIM card - that had not been done yet. However, yesterday it would freeze up and the restart had to be done.

I'm noticing the Samsung actually resets itself multiple times during the day, and several times I've had to reset the connection 2 or 3 times before it actually works.

The Novatel would at least reset the first time every time I had to do it.

--Kent

TyroneGreen

Looks likes I am not the only one having this issue, it looks like the folks at http://www.evdoinfo.com were able to replicate the issue, I followed the advised listed on their site and was able to replicate the issue.

Verizon needs to fix the 4G Network.

jwasilko

FYI, I'm seeing the same things even on evdo/1xrtt networks. Existing TCP connections are fine, but new connections time out. This is very frustrating as I upgraded from a 3G USB modem to the 4G device and I can't work for more than 30 minutes or so without having to reset the mifi!

kentiler

Join the club! Mine seems to work OK if I'm not in 4g, but still is stopping every 30 minutes in 4g.

--Kent

TyroneGreen

Welcome to the "CLUB"

Looks likes I am not the only one having this issue, it looks like the folks at http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/3688/64/ were able to replicate the issue, I followed the advised listed on their site and was able to replicate the issue.

Verizon needs to fix the 4G Network.

hereIgo123

Add me to the list. I purchased the 4510l on Saturday and was soooooo excited about being able to connect multiple devices at home. I was set up Saturday afternoon and by Saturday evening the device had disconnected and powered down to charging mode 4x. The unit was plugged in while I was using it and I was running Vista Premium on my laptop and an HP TouchPad (yeah, a firesale one). I tried using one device at a time but it didn't seem to help. On Sunday I took out the battery and reset the SIM card. The device actually worked fine all of Monday. On Tuesday morning it was behaving even more badly than Saturday and not only powered down but after I turned it back on yet again it then froze up. I had to power it down and start up again. I then put a paperclip in the reset button and reset the device. Still the same problem. It's going back tomorrow. I have a week left on my 14 days. Please fix this Verizon. I used to think you had good customer support and products but I'm losing faith and about ready to jump ship.

deloswilbur

The club is growing, maybe we should get shirts made up "Everyone else got speed, all I got was {word filter avoidance} by Verizon"....

unknown

There is some new software that will improve the function of this device. I don't want anyone to feel like we don't take customer comments/issues seriously. Here's the link showing the new software benefits: http://support.vzw.com/system_update/mifi4510l.html note how it says "Coming Soon." This should be very soon, and we'll keep you posted when available.

Thanks so much for your input and your patience on this issue.

hereIgo123

I'm in a 3G area (no 4G expected until maybe the end of the year). I'm on my second 4510l device and the clock is ticking for my 14 days. Will this software update fix the problem with the device suddenly losing connection and powering down to charging status? I had absolutely no problems with my old USB connection but this one is beyond frustrating.

coasty

I see in the manual when on battery power you can make adjustments to go dormant. My question is can you power the MiFi4510L with the charger and stay on line? Battery live sucks and I need about 8 hours use a day for work.

THX

statdetective

Mike,

Thank you for posting the link. I'm not sure if my issue is related to the main topic of this thread, but I just got my MiFi 4510L today (September 3). After about 30 minutes, the device started blinking and alternating the violet light and the green light. I had two computers connected and neither of them were able to access the Internet, at that point. The problem cleared up when I cycled the power on the device. I checked and the modem firmware version is 2.16.3.

What do the violet/green alternating lights mean?

Thanks,

Dennis

wicamper

I can also confirm that the latest firmware does not fix the issue where after approx. 30 min it will not stay connected to the Internet. I was able to successfully download the firmware and install it via my Windows7 pc, but the issue is no better than before the new firmware release. This is VERY FRUSTRATING VERIZON!!

ngarrett

Interesting - I can tentatively confirm that this issue is resolved (at least on the latest firmware) if you set the device to never enter power save, AND if the device is set to 802.11b + 802.11g wifi mode. Setting only to 802.11n does NOT resolve the issue.

cobmsdn

Here's an interesting item for everyone to digest:

We've exported the settings from a 2200 MiFi to XML and have also done the same for a 4510L MiFi. Comparing the two, there seems to be a power setting missing between the two:

MiFi 2200:

---snip---

---snip---

MiFi 4510L:

---snip---

---snip---

We've attempted to "re-add" the "missing" <acpower>0</acpower> setting to the 4510L MiFi without effect.

MESSAGE TO VERIZON: If the customer wants their MiFi to NEVER disconnect under normal operational conditions (on AC or Battery power), please allow the device to respect this!

robbied31

I am convinced it is the 4G network! I had the mifi 4510 for almost two weeks of my 14 day trial. I experienced all the problems talked about in this thread. I updated the firmward last friday and nothing changed. I took the mifi back and exchanged it for the pantech UML290 aircard thinking that it would probably be like my good ole 3g UM150. setup the UML290 in Modesto this weekend which only has 3g coverage and everything went fine. Got on my jobsite in Fresno this morning only to fight with the 4G network just like with the mifi 4510. knocked offline multiple times, switched off the 4G network to 3G multiple times, and as soon as it went "dormant" on the 4G network, I had to disconnect and reconnect.

This is why I am convinced it is the 4G network. I have since forced the aircard to connect to 3G and all is fine for now!!!

Rob

cobmsdn

You may have just lucked out with your current device. We're seeing this behavior on multiple 4510L units even with the new firmware and 3G-only locked in. We were asked whether the laptop's WiFi drivers may have been the issue but this is also not the case. We've gone as far as locking the WiFi configuration at 802.11b/g only with no success.

cobmsdn

Attention Verizon

Steps to reproduce this issue:

1.) Turn on MiFi

2.) Connect to MiFi

3.) Wait

statdetective

cobmsdn wrote:
Attention Verizon

Steps to reproduce this issue:
   1.) Turn on MiFi
   2.) Connect to MiFi
   3.) Wait

Verizon,

I don't know how long you have to wait, but the problem seems to be related to reassignment of the IP address for the MiFi. When the IP address gets reassigned, downloads and uploads quit working. The end user sees a web page or web site that is hung. Yesterday morning, I experienced about four of these hangs in a 10 to 15 minute period. On the other hand, my MiFi device currently shows a connection time of longer than 12 hours.

When the MiFi quits working (i.e., the web site hangs), the mifi.admin WWAN page shows that the connection time has been reset and the IP address had been reassigned. There is something that relates to the device being dormant and re-establishing its connection. That's a real problem when you have a session-based interaction. It's like hanging up the phone then picking it up again and expecting the conversation to resume.

Please note:

1. During both of these periods, my MiFi was plugged into AC and NOT on battery power.

2. I have not enabled Port Forwarding.

3. I am using FW version 2.16.07.

4. Current WWAN Preferred Mode is "Global"

5. Auto-connect is checked.

6. 802.11 modes: b, g, and n.

7. Browser being used: Google Chrome.

statdetective

cobmsdn wrote:
Attention Verizon

Steps to reproduce this issue:
   1.) Turn on MiFi
   2.) Connect to MiFi
   3.) Wait

Here's another experiment I tried.

I turned off the "Autoconnect" setting on my MiFi device, restarted the device, navigated to it using mifi.admin, and then manually connected the device. I left my computer running, without having a web browser open. However, I am running Windows and other software that queries the Internet for downloads and updates. I rechecked the MiFi device 8 hours later and it was disconnected without an IP address assigned to it.

I then turned on the "Autoconnect" setting, connected the device, accessed the Internet some, and then left the computer running without having the web browser open. I rechecked the device 8 hours later and it was still connected with the same IP address that had been assigned to it.

Conclusion: The "Autoconnect" setting is probably not causing the problem. I have had the device fail multiple times with the "Autoconnect" setting turned on.

ngarrett

ngarrett wrote:
Interesting - I can tentatively confirm that this issue is resolved (at least on the latest firmware) if you set the device to never enter power save, AND if the device is set to 802.11b + 802.11g wifi mode. Setting only to 802.11n does NOT resolve the issue.

I can confirm this does NOT resolve the issue.

Verizon: Where is the support on this? Why is this not getting resolved??

kentiler

I opened a Small Claims Court Case for $3000 against Verizon and have someone from Executive Relations working with me now. We extended the court date to see how the new troubleshooting will work.

They are trying to get an engineer to come onsite and troubleshoot the network with me. Finally a possible light at the end of the tunnel!

I'll keep you posted.

--Kent

kentiler

I don't think it's completely tied to when the IP address changes. It's pretty common when you disconnect and reconnect to get a new IP address.

However, I created a logging utility to get some data on how often this happens. I run it daily for about 8 hours while I'm at the location where I'm working and it goes out every minute to try to access 2 websites to determine the IP address (and to determine if it can still open new connections).

Here's a section of the log where you can see I have the same IP address for multiple disconnects and reconnects. The success column tells if it was able to access the website. The numsecs column shows the time in seconds that it took to access the site or to timeout. The last column, Minutes:Seconds since Reset, shows how long it's been since a reset (disconnect and reconnect - not power reset) occurred.

ID	url	starttime	endtime	success	reset	numsecs	body	misc	timeSinceReset	Minutes:Seconds since Reset
1255	http://www.iler.com/myip	10/10/2011 10:20	10/10/2011 10:20	TRUE	FALSE	1.03	Your IP Address is: 166.249.106.173	" FirstTime: False NumLoops: 30 NumLoopsSinceReset: 1 Current Sucess: 1 NumSuccess: 1 NumFail: 0 NumReset: 0 "	66.5091169	1:06
1308	http://automation.whatismyip.com/n09230945.asp	10/10/2011 10:50	10/10/2011 10:50	TRUE	FALSE	1.06	166.249.106.173	" FirstTime: False NumLoops: 56 NumLoopsSinceReset: 27 Current Sucess: 1 NumSuccess: 1 NumFail: 0 NumReset: 0 "	1829.6564162	30:29
1309	http://www.iler.com/myip	10/10/2011 10:51	10/10/2011 10:51	FALSE	TRUE	21.34	Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage	" FirstTime: False NumLoops: 57 NumLoopsSinceReset: 28 Current Sucess: 1 NumSuccess: 1 NumFail: 0 NumReset: 0 "	1893.886929	31:33
1310	http://automation.whatismyip.com/n09230945.asp	10/10/2011 10:51	10/10/2011 10:53	FALSE	TRUE	84.23	Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage	" FirstTime: False NumLoops: 57 NumLoopsSinceReset: 28 Current Sucess: 1 NumSuccess: 1 NumFail: 0 NumReset: 0 "	1917.6311708	31:57
1311	http://www.iler.com/myip	10/10/2011 10:54	10/10/2011 10:54	TRUE	FALSE	1.06	Your IP Address is: 166.249.106.173	" FirstTime: False NumLoops: 58 NumLoopsSinceReset: 1 Current Sucess: 1 NumSuccess: 1 NumFail: 0 NumReset: 0 "	63.1021108	1:03
1360	http://automation.whatismyip.com/n09230945.asp	10/10/2011 11:22	10/10/2011 11:22	TRUE	FALSE	1.06	166.249.106.173	" FirstTime: False NumLoops: 82 NumLoopsSinceReset: 25 Current Sucess: 1 NumSuccess: 1 NumFail: 0 NumReset: 0 "	1739.039678	28:59
1361	http://www.iler.com/myip	10/10/2011 11:23	10/10/2011 11:23	FALSE	TRUE	21.34	Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage	" FirstTime: False NumLoops: 83 NumLoopsSinceReset: 26 Current Sucess: 1 NumSuccess: 1 NumFail: 0 NumReset: 0 "	1803.3625912	30:03
1362	http://automation.whatismyip.com/n09230945.asp	10/10/2011 11:23	10/10/2011 11:24	TRUE	FALSE	21.37	166.249.106.173	" FirstTime: False NumLoops: 83 NumLoopsSinceReset: 26 Current Sucess: 1 NumSuccess: 1 NumFail: 0 NumReset: 0 "	1827.0434327	30:27
1363	http://www.iler.com/myip	10/10/2011 11:25	10/10/2011 11:25	TRUE	FALSE	10.19	Your IP Address is: 166.249.106.173	" FirstTime: False NumLoops: 84 NumLoopsSinceReset: 27 Current Sucess: 1 NumSuccess: 1 NumFail: 0 NumReset: 0 "	1911.6463816	31:51
1404	http://automation.whatismyip.com/n09230945.asp	10/10/2011 11:48	10/10/2011 11:48	TRUE	FALSE	1.03	166.249.106.173	" FirstTime: False NumLoops: 104 NumLoopsSinceReset: 18 Current Sucess: 1 NumSuccess: 1 NumFail: 0 NumReset: 0 "	1218.8779682	20:18
1405	http://www.iler.com/myip	10/10/2011 11:49	10/10/2011 11:50	FALSE	TRUE	21.34	Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage	" FirstTime: False NumLoops: 105 NumLoopsSinceReset: 19 Current Sucess: 1 NumSuccess: 1 NumFail: 0 NumReset: 0 "	1283.1864811	21:23
1406	http://automation.whatismyip.com/n09230945.asp	10/10/2011 11:50	10/10/2011 11:50	TRUE	FALSE	1.08	166.249.106.173	" FirstTime: False NumLoops: 105 NumLoopsSinceReset: 19 Current Sucess: 1 NumSuccess: 1 NumFail: 0 NumReset: 0 "	1306.8369374	21:46
1407	http://www.iler.com/myip	10/10/2011 11:51	10/10/2011 11:51	TRUE	FALSE	1.05	Your IP Address is: 166.249.106.173	" FirstTime: False NumLoops: 106 NumLoopsSinceReset: 20 Current Sucess: 1 NumSuccess: 1 NumFail: 0 NumReset: 0 "	1371.0954503	22:51
1408	http://automation.whatismyip.com/n09230945.asp	10/10/2011 11:51	10/10/2011 11:51	TRUE	FALSE	1.03	166.249.106.173	" FirstTime: False NumLoops: 106 NumLoopsSinceReset: 20 Current Sucess: 1 NumSuccess: 1 NumFail: 0 NumReset: 0 "	1374.6210565	22:54
1409	http://www.iler.com/myip	10/10/2011 11:52	10/10/2011 11:52	TRUE	FALSE	10.17	Your IP Address is: 166.249.106.173	" FirstTime: False NumLoops: 107 NumLoopsSinceReset: 21 Current Sucess: 1 NumSuccess: 1 NumFail: 0 NumReset: 0 "	1438.7995692	23:58
1410	http://automation.whatismyip.com/n09230945.asp	10/10/2011 11:52	10/10/2011 11:52	TRUE	FALSE	4.09	166.249.106.173	" FirstTime: False NumLoops: 107 NumLoopsSinceReset: 21 Current Sucess: 1 NumSuccess: 1 NumFail: 0 NumReset: 0 "	1451.5447916	24:11
1411	http://www.iler.com/myip	10/10/2011 11:53	10/10/2011 11:54	FALSE	TRUE	21.34	Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage	" FirstTime: False NumLoops: 108 NumLoopsSinceReset: 22 Current Sucess: 1 NumSuccess: 1 NumFail: 0 NumReset: 0 "	1518.83171	25:18

--Kent

kentiler

Interesting update for me....

I finally got a Verizon tech to come on-site, and we worked for 2 1/2 hours on the issue. I was able to reproduce the issue with my Novatel device, so then he gave me a 4G UML290 device to use, and he used my device. He stayed connected for over 1 hour and was still able to open new connections after an hour! I was floored by that because I've tried it with an iPad, Apple Macbook Pro running Windows 7, and a Dell Latitude all concurrently.

The main difference I saw was that he was running WIndows XP on his laptop and I was running Windows 7.

Is anyone else having these issues with Windows 7? What hardware are you running, too?

We are doing some networking traces with Wireshark so hopefully that will help to lead to the solution.

Thanks!

--Kent

Miky007

I have found what I think is the solution.

I was having a major problem with this while near other wireless devices and when I encounter them during travel.

The Thing i did was engage the Mac Filter.

I looked on the connection, copied my laptop mac address shown by my Mi4510, then pasted it into the trusted addresses.

Since doing that I have not had one disconnect, where as before it would kick me off ever 6 mins or so.

I discovered it while watching my logs in diagnostics trying to find something that would cause my problem.

When it disconnected, the script told me I was disconnected and that it usually happens when my device connects to another network.

So I basically told the mifi that my network ( My Laptop ) was the only thing allowed to connect to it.

It has thus far worked and let me tell you........ Im ecstatic!!!!!!!!

Hope it helps the rest of you too!

John_Getzke

Miky007,

That is an interesting solution to a disconnection problem. Thanks for sharing!

I wonder if your solution can be applied to others who are experiencing disconnections. It has been known that these devices have a hard time competing in heavily congested areas. We have seen a few threads where the "Dissappearing SSID" problem happens due to too many competing wireless signals. Your disconnection feedback suggests the MiFi may have other issues with wireless devices as well.

If you ever notice your problem coming back then please let us know.

Miky007

I was having the issue every day until I engaged the Mac Filter.

I have not experienced any drops since then. Im certain it has solved the issue for me.

Why the proximity to other devices causes it to want to throw a user off is still uncertain, nor do I really understand it.

But the Mac Filter will prevent it for users until the underlying issue can be discovered.

I will say that my device was on and functioning, but it would not let my laptop see it after it disconnected me.

Glad I could help, if it truly works across the board for all users. MERRY CHRISTMAS! :smileyhappy:

Flugelman

I've been on the Novatel MiFi for about 2 months now with all the afore mentioned disconnect problems. I upgraded firmware and did the sim card reset but the problem remained. I did the MAC Filter enable with 3 devices (2 computers and a printer) about 12 hours ago and so far I've not seen any disconnects. The proof of the pudding will be to see if it fixes my neighbors MiFi who is having the same problems.

Thanks for the info, I was about to pull what little hair I have left out...

John_Getzke

Thanks for sharing your feedback. Its good to see that Milky's solution has helped in two instances already.

I am a little confused at why those steps are working in the first place. I never assumed that the MiFi had an issue with its connections that a MAC filter could correct. Normally I suggest lowering the wireless broadcast to B/G and resolve similar disconnection issues.

Keep us posted and let us know if your problem comes back or not.

Miky007

@Flugalman- Your welcome. Mine is running great with the exception of one morning when it simply wouldn't connect to Verizon at all. I assume they were having some issues that morning. Hope it solves your neighbors problem as well.

@John- It seems the mifi has a problem keeping a connection to a device. Mine would disconnect me, but have a full connection to Verizon. I would have to turn the mifi off, then log back on and it would be fine again. When it disconnected, my laptop wouldn't even show it as being there.

The MAC Filter seems to have prevented it from randomly connecting to another device. As the problem would most frequently happen in the presence of other wireless receivers, such as laptops, printers etc. Especially printers!

Im just glad it cured my ails, I really don't care why. But I hope you find this info useful and can help others enjoy what they are paying for.

Feel free to ask if you have any questions about my, and apparently others problem.

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